the real definition

[b@d @pple]

christians....
the is my definition of you....a true judgemental christian will hate me for this


A way of thinking centered around rules and restrictions created by an unseen entity who is said to have unimaginable power. This is a philosophy based on fear. One's fear of contempt causes an individual to behave in a desired and dictated fashion. This "desired" way of life is dictated by mortals, men and women, people who should have no authority on propriety. Those that are needy, or find themselves in a rut, or a slump of sort, commonly gravitate toward this institution searching for a crutch to help curb the bitterness of reality, to give them an out. These people are known as "Christians." These Christians feel that by decieving themselves into believing that there is a higher power, a reason to it all, and that there is someone out there who will, after all is said and done,love them, they should reach some sort of peace with themselves and the world around them. Unfortunately, no peace is ever attained. Doubt constantly plagues their minds, causing them to delve deeper into this pretend world of promised deliverance. This is an organization where the lost, weary, and broken can congregate to collectively search through practicing preordained ceremonies said to
bring one closer to this "higher power." All of which is conducted in vain, because what they ultimately seek is their shared thirst for acceptance.

[chuck]

good stereotype but awful definition...sorry you feel that way. i'm no christian but there are people i view as very wise and respectable that are christians...and they are far from dependant on the church to fill any void in their lives

also, i know you are somewhat of a forum vet but please note the sticky in this forum...if this goes a bit sour it will be locked in a heartbeat

and religion isn't based on rules, its living your life to "glorify god" , not follow any rules...also its not about having someone love you after you "follow their rules" (as you say), god loves you and god loves me just as much as he loved the pope (just an extreme example), but gods love is unconditional before and after the fact, not depending on anything

and no i'm not mad at ya, you obviously just don't know any better...

[4dmin]

and religion isn't based on rules, its living your life to "glorify god" , not follow any rules...also its not about having someone love you after you "follow their rules" (as you say), god loves you and god loves me just as much as he loved the pope (just an extreme example), but gods love is unconditional before and after the fact, not depending on anything

do you mean religion or christianity? basically your stating the bible word for word, and GLORIFY GOD would be a rule... as well as many other stated throughout the bible. i don't get you chuck you state that your not christian and you plan on going to hell yet you believe that GOD loves you (and you believe in GOD for that matter)???

[b@d @pple]

first of all..its not your judgemental choice to say that my definition was a bad one just because you thought it was bad...you have a false sense of self and thats fine..if you need to believe in an unknown being that you beleive brought you life go ahead..if you believe you have set path that god chose for you ,that is also fine....thank you for you input!

[chuck]

do you mean religion or christianity? basically your stating the bible word for word, and GLORIFY GOD would be a rule... as well as many other stated throughout the bible. i don't get you chuck you state that your not christian and you plan on going to hell yet you believe that GOD loves you (and you believe in GOD for that matter)???

sorry, meant christianity...i see how you could view everything as a rule but thats really not how it works. its a mindset of pleasing god, i guess you could consider that a rule but who would consider themselves a christian and not want to glorify god?? and don't misquote me paul, i said if i die today that i am ready to face eternal damnation in hell...i don't plan on going to hell, i'm ready to face the consiquences of my actions but i honestly don't plan on going to hell or dying anytime soon ...and also as i stated before i just try to state what the bible says, and the bible says the god loves everyone of us unconditionally...bad apple was trying to say that christians try to make god happy so he will love them, i was just letting him know that he was wrong, christians (from what the bible says) believe that god loves them no matter what, so them trying to make god happy so he will love them wouldn't make any sense.

first of all..its not your judgemental choice to say that my definition was a bad one just because you thought it was bad...you have a false sense of self and thats fine..if you need to believe in an unknown being that you beleive brought you life go ahead..if you believe you have set path that god chose for you ,that is also fine....thank you for you input!

...actually that was almost as stupid as your first post...its totally my judfemental choice to say that i think your definition sucked ass and came from a totally ignorant point of view on christianity. i have no false sense of self thank you. i know quite well who i am, can tell quite well you have no true idea what you are talking about and i know its quite well possible to say that you've never set foot in a church or cracked a bible and payed the littlest bit of attention...you're rambling on about tons of nothing that have no true basis on the christian religion. i don't need to believe in anything, i can do quite well not believing in it but over a coarse of learning and studying it has been my personal, uninfluenced decision to believe that god is our creator. i don't believe god has a set path for me, i believe god gave us free will to choose our own paths through life....he KNOWS what paths we will choose but he didn't PLAN our paths for us or we would all be perfect.

you're welcome for my input...maybe you could learn something instead of just guessing in the air about what you haven't learned over the years.

i'm far from a christian. but the fact stands; your definition of a christian, in comparison to a true christian, is totally off...

[ISAtlanta300]

do you mean religion or christianity? basically your stating the bible word for word, and GLORIFY GOD would be a rule... as well as many other stated throughout the bible. i don't get you chuck you state that your not christian and you plan on going to hell yet you believe that GOD loves you (and you believe in GOD for that matter)???

Wrong. Glorify God would be a choice, not rule.


A lot of you act like we are slaves to religion. Religion is a choice. Your freedom. Your freedom to believe or not. There are guidelines, but not rules (you don't get fined, or punished).

[b@d @pple]

wow cmon people...im sorry that didnt express this earlier..thats is a generic definition of MOST christians...the first to preach and the first to judge..you cant say im wrong...think about the hardcore christians in the bible belt...down home southern christians...guess what if your not white,they dont like you...the founder of the kkk was a christian..what a great thing to follow...i really could give 2 shits if you are a christian and are offended by this...the point was not to offend but offer a definition to those that dont believe what you do...im sorry to anyone who gets butthurt by this,but just remeber people have their own views on life and just because it doesnt relove around have faith(a belief in the unknown)doesnt mean that there reasoning or what they believe is necessarilly wrong....take someone that worships the darker side of life(satan)..are they wrong in believethat satan is god..no their not..to them they might find the same thing they have been looking for that christians look for in god!and i know for a fact that a christian would judge a satanist for being in the wrong!

[chuck]

wow cmon people...im sorry that didnt express this earlier..thats is a generic definition of MOST christians...the first to preach and the first to judge..you cant say im wrong...think about the hardcore christians in the bible belt...down home southern christians...guess what if your not white,they dont like you...the founder of the kkk was a christian..what a great thing to follow...i really could give 2 shits if you are a christian and are offended by this...the point was not to offend but offer a definition to those that dont believe what you do...im sorry to anyone who gets butthurt by this,but just remeber people have their own views on life and just because it doesnt relove around have faith(a belief in the unknown)doesnt mean that there reasoning or what they believe is necessarilly wrong....take someone that worships the darker side of life(satan)..are they wrong in believethat satan is god..no their not..to them they might find the same thing they have been looking for that christians look for in god!and i know for a fact that a christian would judge a satanist for being in the wrong!

dude, seriously...people who say this just prove their ignorance to anyone who knows any better...the founder of the kkk wasn't christian...the founder of the kkk claimed to be christian. anyone can claim to be a christian and go to church, that's not hard at all...were you just trying to be funny or are you really just that naive??

and no i don't judge a satainist for any reason, they believe what they want to believe...but on the other hand i'm not dumb enough to try to say "the real definition of a satanist is someone who hangs out with other satanists to try to feel accepted and loved and they try to do bad things to make satan love them and i know that john doe said that he was a satanist and we can all agree that he was an idiot so he must be a real satanist if he said he was and that would mean that all satanists are idiots" and really mean it, i would be respectful of a satanists views and before i dared to try and open my mouth and criticize their ways i would do some research so i could at least know what the fuck i was talking about, lol.
...are you begining to see how blind-sided, close minded, ignorant, hypocritical and judgemental you sound now???

[4dmin]

Wrong. Glorify God would be a choice, not rule.


A lot of you act like we are slaves to religion. Religion is a choice. Your freedom. Your freedom to believe or not. There are guidelines, but not rules (you don't get fined, or punished).

IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO FOLLOW RULES!!! if they weren't rules in your big book then you wouldn't be following them

I have plenty of friends who are either Satanist or Atheist and it doesn't bother any of us at all...

bahhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm sure you find many real practicing Satanist around here.

[b@d @pple]

chuck i have been that guy with nothin but a cardboard box

[chuck]

IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO FOLLOW RULES!!! if they weren't rules in your big book then you wouldn't be following them

they aren't rules, they are just things that go along with being a christian...it'd be like being a weightlifter and saying that you don't work out, working out isn't really a RULE of being a weightlifter its just something you do if that's what you want to be...does that make sense at all or do we want to keep being difficult...lol

[ISAtlanta300]

IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO FOLLOW RULES!!! if they weren't rules in your big book then you wouldn't be following them

bahhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm sure you find many real practicing Satanist around here.

NOT RULES, GUIDELINES !! If you do not know the difference may I suggest a dictionary. I can not help you otherwise...

[man]

bahhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm sure you find many real practicing Satanist around here.

They aren't hardcore or anything, like they don't go killing animals, but two of them have pentagram tattoos (which I assume they will get covered once they grow out of the phase) that they swear by.

I don't appreciate the sarcasm (or insult, which ever you would like to call it), and I really wouldn't expect it from you.

[chuck]

and i'm sorry bad apple...you are right that is your definition of a christian

but that just doesn't happen to be the correct definition of a true christian

...also as i said before, from what i've seen, %50 of people that consider themselves christian aren't anything close...there is a lot of hypocracy in the religious world, especially in the US, it can make things very confusing...i'm not sure if you guys will see how that ties into this but just thought i'd throw it out there

[Wedge]

christians....
the is my definition of you....a true judgemental christian will hate me for this


A way of thinking centered around rules and restrictions created by an unseen entity who is said to have unimaginable power. This is a philosophy based on fear. One's fear of contempt causes an individual to behave in a desired and dictated fashion. This "desired" way of life is dictated by mortals, men and women, people who should have no authority on propriety. Those that are needy, or find themselves in a rut, or a slump of sort, commonly gravitate toward this institution searching for a crutch to help curb the bitterness of reality, to give them an out. These people are known as "Christians." These Christians feel that by decieving themselves into believing that there is a higher power, a reason to it all, and that there is someone out there who will, after all is said and done,love them, they should reach some sort of peace with themselves and the world around them. Unfortunately, no peace is ever attained. Doubt constantly plagues their minds, causing them to delve deeper into this pretend world of promised deliverance. This is an organization where the lost, weary, and broken can congregate to collectively search through practicing preordained ceremonies said to
bring one closer to this "higher power." All of which is conducted in vain, because what they ultimately seek is their shared thirst for acceptance.

I can see where you are coming from. I have seen many people who use church as a way out. And, I will agree to the aspect the churches make you feel welcome. They should. That is their job. If they didn't people would just complain saying "Well the followers of Jesus won't even accept him, how dare they?"

Your basically collecting all Christians as a whole and saying they are mindlessly and serve a higher being to which they have never seen. How could they? The reason is simple. We are not mindless. Well, some of us aren't. I have done my research and still found myself back in the Christian brainwash. I am not saying it is for everybody. Some people really have a problem with admitting that they aren't the highest being in the world. I can see why. I too like thinking I am something special, but I do realize that someone more advanced then me had to make the universe, I couldn't do it.

[LaurenK]

christians....
the is my definition of you....a true judgemental christian will hate me for this


A way of thinking centered around rules and restrictions created by an unseen entity who is said to have unimaginable power. This is a philosophy based on fear. One's fear of contempt causes an individual to behave in a desired and dictated fashion. This "desired" way of life is dictated by mortals, men and women, people who should have no authority on propriety. Those that are needy, or find themselves in a rut, or a slump of sort, commonly gravitate toward this institution searching for a crutch to help curb the bitterness of reality, to give them an out. These people are known as "Christians." These Christians feel that by decieving themselves into believing that there is a higher power, a reason to it all, and that there is someone out there who will, after all is said and done,love them, they should reach some sort of peace with themselves and the world around them. Unfortunately, no peace is ever attained. Doubt constantly plagues their minds, causing them to delve deeper into this pretend world of promised deliverance. This is an organization where the lost, weary, and broken can congregate to collectively search through practicing preordained ceremonies said to
bring one closer to this "higher power." All of which is conducted in vain, because what they ultimately seek is their shared thirst for acceptance.

Was this your own definition?

[man]

Though I respect you view on the subject, I must disagree. I am a Christian and I didn't become Christian just for a feeling of belonging, or for feeling loved. I do it because I believe God exists and I should praise him for what he has given me, I don't do it to get on his good side or anything, and I don't expect anything from it. I do understand why many people are skeptical about religion, I just think Non-Christians believe that they have to sacrifice time from work, money, and free time, when in reality, this is not the case. The bible says just to have faith.

[chuck]

...damn fcman, you writting a book or what???

[chuck]

lol....guess so

[b@d @pple]

as far as im concerned it has been civilized..except chuck suckin at life but other than that,i see no reason to be uncivilized...and actually by saying i didnt give a fuck if it offended anyone was necessary,because its gonna happen regardless,remember you cant express emotion through a keyboard...so therfore anything taken the wrong way,probably wasnt meant in a negative connotation unless the original topic applies to you in which i just proved my point....the reason i said i know for a fact about the judging of a satanist being true is because i have seen it,but you were partially right by saying they do what they do to feel excepted,because lots of them do...all i was saying that the cases i have seen of christians,most not all but most....A) only believe what they do because their parents brought them up that way B) think that believing in the so called higher power,suddenly they are forgiven for everything C) are just to ignorant and closeminded at the possiblity that maybe there is a explanation for everthing,a scientific explanation offering the possibility that life was not created by god and adam and eve just simply did not exist..this thread was not posted with the intention of starting shit(even though somewhere in my subconcious i knew it was coming)..if you are a true religious follower (according to me),then you would be open to further explanation of life and our existance...everyone interprets religion in their own way,all i was getting at was the close minded and narrow drones of the church,should remove their head from there ass and openly except any and everyone weather they believe what you do or not, push YOUR great and wonderful religion upon them and then judge them as a lesser person than yourself..that is all!


oh yea and let me just say that i have no issues or direct problems with anyone for what they believe..i have lots of friends that believe lots of different things..

[chuck]

as far as im concerned it has been civilized..except chuck suckin at life

...haha, you made a funny

[chuck]

oh yea and let me just say that i have no issues or direct problems with anyone for what they believe..i have lots of friends that believe lots of different things..

d- to the -itto...lol

[chuck]

and its cool that you have your opinions about what certian "christians" do but it seems you kinda took a stereotype and tried to use it as a definition...like instead of saying that the rose was red you kinda tried to say that everything that was red was a rose, i dunno how to describe what i'm trying to say though...maybe its because i suck at life??? haha

and yeah, judgment of a satanist might happen but its a sin and the christian church doesn't go around preaching about judging anyone, they teach to let god be the judge...but no one is perfect so i'm sure it happens, especially with a lot of people out there that we'd consider bible thumpers (these people REALLY piss me off, another reason i left the church)

but bad apple...if you really think people just turn to god to find acceptance and just so they only do good things to "make him happy" then gimmie a call, you can come downtown with me next monday and look at people who have NOTHING besides god and a cardboard box...go ahead, look them in the eye and tell them that they only love god because they want to feel accepted and have friends...pshhh, you people confuse me sometimes

[Xrated O.G.]

As I sit here and read these posts I have come to see several different views. I cant help but laugh because the Christian replies have come off as its our way or no way. There really doesnt seem to be much for personal interpretations here. I see you say that there is but as an outsider looking in your points and views dont render an optional way of thinking. It's like even though you say there are not rules in religion or christianity, the way you come off to others is, as if there are but you just call them guidelines instead. I just see some very narrow minded views going on in here and I cant help but think that my previous thoughts of organized religion being a business and not a beliefare somewhat true. As for those people downtown that are homeless, we would all be homeless if we didnt get up and go get jobs, go to free public schools and learn, as well as take care of ourselves instead of waiting for someone else to do it for us.


Now I understand that this is a "Religious" forum but never the less there is still the freedom of speech. There was a threat made earlier in a post that warned b@d @pple of this topic being locked due to his replies. How do you ever expect to try and "SAVE" one of Gods creations if you close the door in his face? DOUBLE STANDARDS....

[ISAtlanta300]

As I sit here and read these posts I have come to see several different views. I cant help but laugh because the Christian replies have come off as its our way or no way.

As i have seen the same replies of thos who do not believe. "Your way is wrong... you are stupid. You are thumpers" etc etc. So what made your views better than our views? Your beliefs better than our beliefs? We do not force our beliefs on you in this forum, so why do you try to force it upon us that we are wrong? Just let us be.

There really doesnt seem to be much for personal interpretations here. I see you say that there is but as an outsider looking in your points and views dont render an optional way of thinking. It's like even though you say there are not rules in religion or christianity, the way you come off to others is, as if there are but you just call them guidelines instead.

And yet another one who needs a dictionary.

Christians choose (i repeat CHOOSE) to live their lives to certain norms and guidelines because it is what they believe in.

But since you do not see the difference let me put it in an example:

A RULE would be: You MUST go to church each sunday, MUST kneel down and pray, MUST provide offerings (preferably monetary) OR you will be kicked out of our congregation.

A GUIDELINE is: We offer a church should you wish to attend our services and teachings of the bibles and it is also a nice and quiet place to reflec, but you can also pray at home if you wish, you can pray standing up, sitting down etc. anytime is a good time to talk to God, you can help your fellow brothers and sisters by providing clothes, money if you so choose to at our donation center.

Get it now?

I just see some very narrow minded views going on in here and I cant help but think that my previous thoughts of organized religion being a business and not a belief are somewhat true.

The same can be said about your views: You are very narrow minded since you choose to stand by the side and throw stones instead of doing your research. Just because you see one christian practice religion in a way you do not approve of does not make you an expert. Your talk is cheap.

As for those people downtown that are homeless, we would all be homeless if we didnt get up and go get jobs, go to free public schools and learn, as well as take care of ourselves instead of waiting for someone else to do it for us.

I do not see how this relates to anything. But maybe you are right. Maybe the Katrina victims should just sort things out for themselves instead of letting FEMA do things for them, right?

Now I understand that this is a "Religious" forum but never the less there is still the freedom of speech. There was a threat made earlier in a post that warned b@d @pple of this topic being locked due to his replies. How do you ever expect to try and "SAVE" one of Gods creations if you close the door in his face? DOUBLE STANDARDS....

Yes it is a religious forum and not "bash the christians" forum. Discussions in here have been very civil and excellent points have been expressed from both sides. Now if one were to just throw comments like "Jesus is Gay" or "You are all a bunch of believer idiots" that does not contribute to the discussions, then yes.. a warning is justified.

[chuck]

Now I understand that this is a "Religious" forum but never the less there is still the freedom of speech. There was a threat made earlier in a post that warned b@d @pple of this topic being locked due to his replies. How do you ever expect to try and "SAVE" one of Gods creations if you close the door in his face? DOUBLE STANDARDS....

i simply notified him of the sticky and said if this turns sour that i'd lock it...how the fuck does that become a double standard??? IMO turning sour would have been if it became a bashing of anyones believes, for or against whatever...and i'm not christian i'm IAian, lol...j/k but really, i'm not trying to "save" or convert anyone here, just trying to have a civilized discussion. i haven't bashed anyone unless they started making flase facts (ie "the leader of the kkk was christian"), and even then i really don't consider that bashing...also, locking a thread isn't shutting the door in someones face, especially if they've made it fairly clear they aren't interested, i'm respectful of peoples views and the thread is still open and hasn't gone sour yet.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE tell me how this is any double standard, especially with me NEVER claiming to be christian

and yes there is a freedom of speech but it kinda goes along the lines of a certian Qsomeone going in to the kills forum and constantly criticizing street racing...the forum is to talk about racing not why you shouldn't do it...i understand that this forum is to talk about religion, ALL religion and lack their of but simply flaming people for what they believe is wrong...you can tell someone that their opinion is wrong all you want but arguing factual information (ie, the basis/fundamentals of a certian religion) is uncalled for especially if someone doesn't know what they are talking about...i'm NOT christian but i know the structure and in's and out's of the religion so if someone is claiming false factual information i am going to tell them they are wrong...if someone states and opinion that i don't agree with then i'll tell them that i think they are wrong...but thinking and knowing are two different things and i've made that clear in all my posts and have been very considerate and open minded toward people as long as they don't throw out some far fatched FALSE fact

...do we need a demonstration thread so you can see what i'm talking about??

[Xrated O.G.]

Thats my point exactly... Im not in here trying to brainwash people into my views. My response to this topic is from a neutral party. All I have based my repsonses on are the replies others have posted. You say I stand by the side and throw stones but yet I apply the guilt by association rule to you. If others (ie. The founder of the KKK) claims hes a Christian and leads and preaches his thoughts and ideas to others as such then how are others supposed to look and say he "claims" he is be really isnt.
From the outside looking in, how are we (we being the outsiders) supposed to see through the Bullshit if its all one big pile?




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Originally Posted by One Tuning Tuner
As for those people downtown that are homeless, we would all be homeless if we didnt get up and go get jobs, go to free public schools and learn, as well as take care of ourselves instead of waiting for someone else to do it for us.



I do not see how this relates to anything. But maybe you are right. Maybe the Katrina victims should just sort things out for themselves instead of letting FEMA do things for them, right?



There is a huge difference in a "natural disaster" and a deadbeat that puts for no effort to better themselves. Sitting around on the streets praying to a god is not gonna better you imediate future as far as food and clothing and shelter. Thats a cop out that lazy people have used as a crutch for way too damn long. As long as there is fastfood places there will always be jobs for ANYONE to get. Including the panhandlers and beggers.

[chuck]

and bad apple you really need to make up your mind...the thread is very misleading/inaccurate...you title the thread "the real definition" then you start you post by saying "my definition..."

as i said before, this is your definition but this is not the same a the real definition...so what are you really trying to say here???

[Jimmy B]

i broused threw most of the replies, didnt read em all,.. anyway... justin, you an me been boys for a while, you know i AM a christian, if ya got questions, hit me up, i suck at typing my mind..

i will witness to anyone that will listen, but im not going to push it down your throat, that will jsut push people away. got questions? hit me up/..

[b@d @pple]

i know jimmy and i appreciate it!