what do ya'll think about the television evangalists? (sp) Like that lady with the light lavender hair. I lister to her sometimes and I'm like WTF???? She cries everyday, but I never see a tear.
what do ya'll think about the television evangalists? (sp) Like that lady with the light lavender hair. I lister to her sometimes and I'm like WTF???? She cries everyday, but I never see a tear.
Sadly, that image is engraved in many people's mind and that is how they formulate their idea on what a church is, instead of finding out otherwise...Originally Posted by tracy
We live in an era where pleny of people would rather believe the television instead of their fellow man.....
Paul a church has expenses. I am sure that even some car clubs on Ia.com ask for a "member fee". People often ask to BYOB at cookouts.
Nopi charges you $$$ to "enter" just to "show"...
By your standards, all those things should be free right? I mean come ON ! NOPI?? Makes TONS of money right?? it should GIVE to its members and not "support" itself right???
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
yes but do you see car clubs w/ multi million dollar complexs??? have you ever priced out lifesize crosses, stainedglass, etc... its not cheap nor is it neccessary to worship. it is a choice that is made the ideas of man to build bigger and better, almost like paving your way to heaven
I have seen car shows rent up the Multi-million dollar complexes and conference center. Why have it in a nice A/C place with angle-lighting, DJ's and music and strippers and everything but the kitchen sink? Why not just have it in a parking lot under the sun? That is what you want chuchgoers to do too anyway?
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
hold on... i'm only staying w/ you b/c you wanted to use something as an example... granted its not a good one, but whatever... you have to remember the diffrence here. i throw a car show and it cost 1 million dollars, who cars, it has nothing to do w/ religion, i spend how i see fit.. the point though is if i spend 1 million on a facility w/ stained glass windows, scriptures on the wall, life size crosses, etc... what is the point of that/??? that is excess, the message is the same in someones home as it is in a multimillion dollar facility.
its like buying Air Jordans, they don't make you play like Jordan
And if a church has a sermon do you have any idea what it costs? And you are talking about churches with streets of gold. I know my church does not have stained glass windows with ivory altars and stuff. It is a plain and simple structure. It was constructed mainly by volunteers. However, there IS upkeep associated with it. And upkeep = money.hold on... i'm only staying w/ you b/c you wanted to use something as an example... granted its not a good one, but whatever... you have to remember the diffrence here. i throw a car show and it cost 1 million dollars, who cars, it has nothing to do w/ religion, i spend how i see fit.. the point though is if i spend 1 million on a facility w/ stained glass windows, scriptures on the wall, life size crosses, etc... what is the point of that/??? that is excess, the message is the same in someones home as it is in a multimillion dollar facility.
its like buying Air Jordans, they don't make you play like Jordan
And who cares if you spend 1 million dollars on a car show? Obviously you care if a church spend 1 million dollar on a building... so there I was trying to make you see that you want it one way, but do not want it the other. Like YOU can spend a million dollar on a car show and it is justified. But a church spending a million dollars through donations. oh NO that is WRONG !! Money is better off given to you for your "car show" right?
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Money is better off given to you for your "car show" right?
Why should he spend it on a church?
LOL next church gathering at your house.. make sure your driveway can hold hundreds of cars and make sure your livingroom has hundreds of seats..
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Gluttony is a sin. No one goes to car shows to worship God.
Some things that you guys are mentioning are DONATED to the church by people, i.e. it doesn't cost the church a penny for it.
I know this to be true because at my church they have a beautiful stained glass mural behind the choir that was donated by one of it's members. He asked for that specific thing to be done because he wanted people to see something pretty at church. It cost him some money, but it didn't cost the church a dime. Things like that are more common than you think.
The other night, speaking of mega sound systems, I personally had to bring a cd player to play the music for the kids because the old cd player died. I left it up there and it will probably become a permanent part of the sanctuary where we meet for the kids music time. That didn't cost the church a dime either.
There are many other examples from swing sets to pinestraw. It doesn't happen everyday, but sometimes one time donations can last a long time too.
You'd be surprised at what a good church's budget consists of. It's not always to buy their preacher a MB or a mega mansion. Again, that is the exception and not the rule.
Back at ya. 1 million on a car show is "gluttony" in my book.
And dressing up cars is "vanity" another sin...
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
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