144,000 going to heaven...

[Killer]

Pharm_teg.....

NOT ALL CHURCHES ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!! I'm so tired of everyone always throwin up the money card... yeah churches take up offering how else could they be established... or have money to send the youth on church events, or buy the needy food and clothing. I'VE GOT PROOF MY SAVIOR LIVED AND DIED FOR ME! you just won't accept it as proof. and since your so close minded you won't even think about stepping into a church. so when you've been to every Christian Church in the world and find out some proof of your own... then you can tell me if the christian church is all about money or not.. untill then DROP IT! Jamie your right... it's absolutely crazy that Jesus died for all of man kind and there sins yet some people won't even acknowledge His existance...

[ISAtlanta300]

NOT ALL CHURCHES ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!! I'm so tired of everyone always throwin up the money card... yeah churches take up offering how else could they be established... or have money to send the youth on church events, or buy the needy food and clothing. I'VE GOT PROOF MY SAVIOR LIVED AND DIED FOR ME! you just won't accept it as proof. and since your so close minded you won't even think about stepping into a church. so when you've been to every Christian Church in the world and find out some proof of your own... then you can tell me if the christian church is all about money or not.. untill then DROP IT! Jamie your right... it's absolutely crazy that Jesus died for all of man kind and there sins yet some people won't even acknowledge His existance...

Very organized thought... I like that...

[Tracy]

Very organized thought... I like that...

ditto.

[4dmin]

Pharm_teg.....

NOT ALL CHURCHES ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!! I'm so tired of everyone always throwin up the money card... yeah churches take up offering how else could they be established... or have money to send the youth on church events, or buy the needy food and clothing. I'VE GOT PROOF MY SAVIOR LIVED AND DIED FOR ME! you just won't accept it as proof. and since your so close minded you won't even think about stepping into a church. so when you've been to every Christian Church in the world and find out some proof of your own... then you can tell me if the christian church is all about money or not.. untill then DROP IT! Jamie your right... it's absolutely crazy that Jesus died for all of man kind and there sins yet some people won't even acknowledge His existance...

seriously you want to discuss money and the church??? i would love to see the church you go to... i'm sure the millions that were spent on the land/building could of been well put to use else where. and i like how you stated $$$ used for youth events for church members... what good is your 10% if your not helping anyone but yourselfs. why do you need to get any money at all, its a tax free org anyway. you need multi million dollar facilities to conduct worship??? please explain how haveing gyms, sounds systems, etc. are needed in church???

[Jaimecbr900]

seriously you want to discuss money and the church??? i would love to see the church you go to... i'm sure the millions that were spent on the land/building could of been well put to use else where.

Where could it have been better spent? Donating it all to people that like farm boy only think its funny to make fun of Jesus? Using that theory, why spend millions to build new schools then? Num nuts that don't go to school would say that's a waste too because THEY aren't using it, huh?

What you should be looking at is how much money the church gets from YOUR POCKET and how much it puts out w/o a single dime from YOU. It doesn't receive money FROM the gov't to sustain itself and pay it's bills. Can you say that about big companies who receive subsidies to survive and even line their own pockets???

People and companies CHARGE churches for their services. Water, power, gas, food, repairs, child care, etc. Where do you suppose that money should come from? The gov't? It doesn't. It comes from MY pocket, which I gladly and VOLUNTARILY give in order to support that which supports me. Where do you think the money to buy food for soup kitchens and donations comes from??? Again, members like me that feel that's money well spent.

To be honest, I don't see any of the aethiest going down and serving at a soup kitchen or donation thousands to help their neighbor or volunteering their time to teach to disadvantaged children. So until you do......don't mock those that do.

and i like how you stated $$$ used for youth events for church members... what good is your 10% if your not helping anyone but yourselfs. why do you need to get any money at all, its a tax free org anyway. you need multi million dollar facilities to conduct worship??? please explain how haveing gyms, sounds systems, etc. are needed in church???

If you have 1000 people that WANT to visit your church, how would you propose to be able to do that? In a mall parking lot? Having people relay what the speaker is saying upfront all the way to the people in the back?

We needed loudspeakers and a mic to call out raffle tickets at a car show that had less than 100 people standing around waiting to look at their tickets. Why is that "necessary", yet a permanent place to worship need to be primitive? To hear you tell it, we should all have tent churches and donate all the money to non-appreciative people.

Reality is that a church is a permanent place for people to worship. Permanent means it has to built with rocks and wood. If it's a 100 square foot shack or a 10,000 square foot auditorium, it doesn't matter as long as the right message is given.

BTW, if a church is not entitled to any modern luxuries, then why do you drive a turbo car instead of a horse and buggy????

[Tracy]

To be honest, I don't see any of the aethiest going down and serving at a soup kitchen or donation thousands to help their neighbor or volunteering their time to teach to disadvantaged children. So until you do......don't mock those that do.

Ummm... I do! Not sure if I'm athiest or not, but I do a ton for the community. I always have. More than what I listed above....including going to the soup kitchens to serve the homeless during Christmas or Thanksgiving. I taught the eldery how to read at my Grandma's job at a nursing home. I actually went to college (which I didn't finish, but I will someday) to teach special ed. I have 1 semester left and I can be a substitute teacher.....(imagine that). I think I'm going to go tomorrow to volunteer to help the Ludacris foundation clean up the apartments for the hurricane victims. If you ever want to volunteer with me, give me a shout. I'm serious. Not just being spiteful.

[Jaimecbr900]

Ummm... I do! Not sure if I'm athiest or not, but I do a ton for the community. I always have. More than what I listed above....including going to the soup kitchens to serve the homeless during Christmas or Thanksgiving. I taught the eldery how to read at my Grandma's job at a nursing home. I actually went to college (which I didn't finish, but I will someday) to teach special ed. I have 1 semester left and I can be a substitute teacher.....(imagine that). I think I'm going to go tomorrow to volunteer to help the Ludacris foundation clean up the apartments for the hurricane victims. If you ever want to volunteer with me, give me a shout. I'm serious. Not just being spiteful.

I would be very glad to come out and help you anytime you'd like. You've got my number. Give me a call whenever you need extra hands. Seriously.

BTW, my previous comments were not directed towards you.

[Tracy]

I would be very glad to come out and help you anytime you'd like. You've got my number. Give me a call whenever you need extra hands. Seriously.

BTW, my previous comments were not directed towards you.

I know it wasn't directed toward me. I'm just saying that if I'm an athiest...I do help the community.

[BTEC]

Ummm... I do! Not sure if I'm athiest or not, but I do a ton for the community. I always have. More than what I listed above....including going to the soup kitchens to serve the homeless during Christmas or Thanksgiving. I taught the eldery how to read at my Grandma's job at a nursing home. I actually went to college (which I didn't finish, but I will someday) to teach special ed. I have 1 semester left and I can be a substitute teacher.....(imagine that). I think I'm going to go tomorrow to volunteer to help the Ludacris foundation clean up the apartments for the hurricane victims. If you ever want to volunteer with me, give me a shout. I'm serious. Not just being spiteful.

thats pretty cool tracy. as a matter fo fact my mom teaches special ed. she wanted to be a lawyer but thats another lng story.

[C22H19N3O4]

To be honest, I don't see any of the aethiest going down and serving at a soup kitchen or donation thousands to help their neighbor or volunteering their time to teach to disadvantaged children. So until you do......don't mock those that do.

LoL..that has to be dumbest thing you have posted. When did you go out and poll the religious affiliation of every volunteer? I didn't know that the Red Cross and the Salvation Army inquired about your religious devotion. I know plenty of agnostic/atheists that volunteer time and money to worthy causes, including me. I think you're better off in "heaven" than on this planet...LoL.

[Jaimecbr900]

LoL..that has to be dumbest thing you have posted. When did you go out and poll the religious affiliation of every volunteer? I didn't know that the Red Cross and the Salvation Army inquired about your religious devotion. I know plenty of agnostic/atheists that volunteer time and money to worthy causes, including me. I think you're better off in "heaven" than on this planet...LoL.

Hey genius....I was referring to people in the thread that were implying that churches do nothing for anyone else.

You quote me out of context and you think you got me......try again.

[4dmin]

Hey genius....I was referring to people in the thread that were implying that churches do nothing for anyone else.

You quote me out of context and you think you got me......try again.

boy this topic has gone to shit

who ever implied that all churches do nothing for others.??? i do find it funny you think only christians would be in soup kitchens or helping the needy. who is thinking small now? by the way i donated 3x to the Hurricane relief and i have checked in to giving someone a place to stay. i'm not christian

[Jaimecbr900]

boy this topic has gone to shit

Tell fag boy to get off my nuts and we can get back to adult conversations.

who ever implied that all churches do nothing for others.???

You didn't imply anything, you said it point blank when you said that churches only do events and programs to "benefit only themselves"......

Did you not say that?????? What else did you mean then if not the obvious?

[Ncturnal]

LoL..that has to be dumbest thing you have posted. When did you go out and poll the religious affiliation of every volunteer? I didn't know that the Red Cross and the Salvation Army inquired about your religious devotion. I know plenty of agnostic/atheists that volunteer time and money to worthy causes, including me. I think you're better off in "heaven" than on this planet...LoL.

Useless factoid: did you know that the Salvation Army is actually a religion?

[C22H19N3O4]

Useless factoid: did you know that the Salvation Army is actually a religion?

Please elaborate. I know they have some sort of religious affiliation as most charitable organizations, but that does not play a role in the eligibility of volunteers.

[Ncturnal]

Please elaborate. I know they have some sort of religious affiliation as most charitable organizations, but that does not play a role in the eligibility of volunteers.

Ya, they seem to do a good job of keeping volunteering seperate. I read about it a while back. I just Googled and got this page. http://religiousmovements.lib.virgin...ationarmy.html

[C22H19N3O4]

Pharm_teg.....

NOT ALL CHURCHES ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!! I'm so tired of everyone always throwin up the money card... yeah churches take up offering how else could they be established... or have money to send the youth on church events, or buy the needy food and clothing. I'VE GOT PROOF MY SAVIOR LIVED AND DIED FOR ME! you just won't accept it as proof. and since your so close minded you won't even think about stepping into a church. so when you've been to every Christian Church in the world and find out some proof of your own... then you can tell me if the christian church is all about money or not.. untill then DROP IT! Jamie your right... it's absolutely crazy that Jesus died for all of man kind and there sins yet some people won't even acknowledge His existance...

Go back and read the post. Where did it state that ALL churches were about money. People form opinions based on first hand experiences, and most people have faced the money hungry congregtations. I don't know too many people that go to a small church with a bell hanging over it like God's left nut ringing away to gather all the faithful. This isn't Little House on the Prairie. Furthermore, don't assume you know what my past religious history holds. Everything you mentioned can be turned around on you. You haven't been to every church, so who are you to say religion isn't about money? You have proof Jesus died for you? Wow!! You have a polaroid? You have some DNA to prove he existed? Maybe Jesus has a blog where he lists all his favorite followers? BTW, I'm not close minded. Show me some evidence and I'll jump on the Jesus Train to Heaven.

[Killer]

Go back and read the post. Where did it state that ALL churches were about money. People form opinions based on first hand experiences, and most people have faced the money hungry congregtations. I don't know too many people that go to a small church with a bell hanging over it like God's left nut ringing away to gather all the faithful. This isn't Little House on the Prairie. Furthermore, don't assume you know what my past religious history holds. Everything you mentioned can be turned around on you. You haven't been to every church, so who are you to say religion isn't about money? You have proof Jesus died for you? Wow!! You have a polaroid? You have some DNA to prove he existed? Maybe Jesus has a blog where he lists all his favorite followers? BTW, I'm not close minded. Show me some evidence and I'll jump on the Jesus Train to Heaven.

You come to church with me and you'll have proof to all the following.... i don't have to go to every church to know it's not about money... i have to go to one.... that lets me know not all are about money... i've got a body full of blood that'll prove it.... Church is what you make it... if you go not expecting anything but to see money hungry people than that's what you'll look for... If you go truly expecting to be with God, that's what you'll get.