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there is no such thing as a concrete religion because everyone believes what they want to believe.
here's a much better question for you. is there a right and wrong way to live your life when it comes to religion? is it wrong to be a muslim, or a buddhist, or practice some other backwoods african tribe's religion? after all, they may believe in something, but it's not YOUR god.
That is because most of your answers ARE in the bible :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tracy
Everything is written in there. The beginning AND the end.
It is not time yet. Again... (LOL).... yes I am pointing at the bible. His second coming is foretold. There will not be another Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by tracy
And problems? You have not seen anything yet.... the best (or worse?) is yet to come......
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Originally Posted by tracy
Who has powers like parting the sea? God. Not Moses or people from his generation. It was through him that God allowed such power. God basically told him what to do and GAVE him the power to do it AT THE MOMENT. Does not mean that he could have partedit again at will. :) He was not a "power ranger". :)
Even THEN some people will doubt it. Look at this site !! "He wasn't racing in the VID ! He let off the accelerator! It was his friend ! It was Staged !!"Quote:
Originally Posted by tracy
Like Jaime says.. no one can make you believe. You either do or you don't. Nothing wrong with that. People have free will to make their own choices. I have not seen Julius Ceasar, met Christophel Columbus or drank tea with Mao-Tse-Tung. Yet I "believe" they existed. Even though I did not experience it for myself. It's like reading a history book. :)
No it does not work that way. Like it was said in a previous post, it is not like opening your mouth and saying "Please forgive me" and poof, you are back in Kansas with Toto :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tracy
Just out of curiousity, how many times has the bible been re-written since its inception? As for the amount of times it has been re-written who is to say that after so many years someone along the lines wrote it to fit what they wanted versus what god wanted? I know that religion is based on faith and the beleif that it is exactly what it (the bible) says it is, but damn thats a whole lot of faith into one person who has no "proof" of anything. I guess I just seem to rely on more science than belief. As much as I was raised in a very heavy Southern Methodist background, I just have my own reservations about a lot of questions no one has been able to answer for me. All I have ever been able to get for an answer from anyone is that I just have to believe its the truth. Thats just too hard to swallow.
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Originally Posted by tracy
A woman at the age of 21 has a baby girl. She goes in shortly afterwards to have her tubes tied and removed. Four years later, she decides that she wants to have a baby boy. She talks to a doctor (no surgery) and the doctors said, there is no use, there is nothing we can do, go adopt. She prays diligently for months. Nothing happens. She keeps praying for the impossible. Everyone told her she was wasting her time. She got pregnant again at the age of 26. Doctors said the baby would never live, and to have an abortion. She said there was no way, she prayed to hard for him. The baby boy was born and lived. The doctors said the tubes must of regrown or somehow pressed together. They go in to do surgery, and yet no tubes. The doctors said there has never been an account recorded of this where the baby lives and is not a vegetable with the tubes apart for that long. The woman laughs and says, I think God can handle it.
That woman was my mother, and the baby was me.
So you see miracles do happen, just not as visual and well known like they do in the Bible. Awesome thread guys, I can't wait to finish reading the whole thing.
it's basically as simple as that yes..... if you ask jesus into your heart and pray for forgiveness you're in... but to me it takes you doing your part as a christian to keep that "key" to heaven. (your part is to worship God)Quote:
Originally Posted by tracy
1. well i think most people don't really realize what hell is...Quote:
Originally Posted by One Tuning Tuner
so as a christian it absolutely kills me to think about someone going to hell. (whether i know them or not)
2. in no way am i trying to belittle anyone. but yes i'm gonna "preach" as a christian it is my job to spread the word. and it's not like i'm telling anyone that they are awful for what they've done in the past. (i've screwed up plenty) in no way do i judge, but if someone says to me "i'm going to hell" to me it's almost a cry for help so i do my best to try and help.
3. you're right that's your choice.... and the only thing "wrong" with that path is that it's not Gods path for your life. it's a path to an eternal hell.... i feel that people water down what hell is really gonna be like and they don't realize that it last for ALL OF TIME. that's pain that you don't think u can take for one more second... yet it just keeps coming as you just keep screaming and falling forever, and your all alone. yet you hear other people screaming. it's completely black. i could go on.... but i won't.
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Originally Posted by Killer
By all means, please go on. I tend to find this to be a VERY interesting topic of discussion. Like I said in an earlier post, its not that I do or dont believe. I have held off on making a decision till someone tried to help me make sense of it all.
about Hell???
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Originally Posted by Killer
Basically everything that has been discussed here. I knwo you havent told all of your thoughts and feelings on the questions and statements previously stated. Come on with it..
Everytime I think of about time not having a beginning or an end, my brain hurts. It's like I can think of a long long time from now, but I know is not even the start of it. I mean, I can say it all I want, but thinking about it is totally different. Just goes to show you how short life is.
Only thing I have to say about hell is that in revelation it talks about there being two hells. "Hades" is the present hell, and "Gehenna" which hell will be also known as the "Lake for Fire". It has been awhile, but I do remember something about a person dies twice, the second time gets cast in the lake of hell that only God has the keys, if your name isn't written in the book of life.
Time for me to go to some reading, it's been awhile for revelation.
yeah every soul in hell including satan will be thrown into the lake of fire... for all eternity!!!!! how crazy is that!!!! for all of time... forever... infinite!!!!! i can't grasp it....
One Tuning Tuner.... i can't fully express my feelings... it's too hard and would take forever... i give my opinion always.... thanks for the interest... and if there are any specifics i can tell you about simply ask. i'll do my best to help anyone that wants to lear about God and His love...
You are a bit too late to the party. This has been discussed already. It was not "re-written" as you put together but more like "translated" and put together. A lot of history books are also "rewritten" Who knows? Maybe Castro is really a good person, but is portrayed as "bad" for propaganda against communism? (Disclaimer: This is just an example and does not state that I believe Castro is a good person LOL)Quote:
Originally Posted by One Tuning Tuner
nice post.. wasn't even thinking along those linesQuote:
Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
it was written by humans, the fact that they make ot humans to be supreme, noah and the ark, the bible basically 'scares' (not the best word) people into doing good (which doesnt work from what i can see out of most christians), makes people not live their lives to the fullest, the whole god always forgives thing, i could go on for hours, but ill stop there for nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
By all means, go on.. this is after all, the Religion room and religious discussions....
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Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
Julius Ceasar and Chris Columbus don't have such an impact on people lives. No one is "going to hell" or "heaven" because they do/don't believe in Julius or Chris :)
I believe Jesus existed. I just believe that he is the son of god the same way you are the "son of god" or the same way I am "a child of god".
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Originally Posted by tracy
also how may Jesus's lived during those times
or even how many are alive today
"better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" :king:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wedge
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AHHHHHHHHHH JUNK! Here we go!
OOh cool !!!... the devil just patted you on the back.. :)
Name 1 book that WASN'T....... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulud
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the fact that they make ot humans to be supreme,
In my bible, GOD is supreme. Maybe YOU should try and READ the bible before you start a critique about it, huh???? :rolleyes:
Because we all know that non-Christians are sooooo perfect and do nothing wrong, huh???? :rolleyes:Quote:
noah and the ark, the bible basically 'scares' (not the best word) people into doing good (which doesnt work from what i can see out of most christians)
People want things handed to them w/o any work. Work is not easy by definition or it wouldn't be work at all. You call it being "scared", I call it telling it like it is.
Name one real example of where a Christian DIDN'T "live" their life to the "fullest" simply BECAUSE they were Christian.Quote:
makes people not live their lives to the fullest
You keep just saying things that are so general and mundane to try and prove something, but you don't give a single example of how it applies.
He does. What's the point?Quote:
the whole god always forgives thing
i know but people believe in this book like the ones who wrote it would never exaggerate the truth to look better just how i feelQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
yes god is supreme but it makes humans out to be better than anyother living organism on this planet. and the fact that animals serve humans? there only existance is to feed us, now thats a little farfetched for me to believeQuote:
In my bible, GOD is supreme. Maybe YOU should try and READ the bible before you start a critique about it, huh???? :rolleyes:
when did i say that?Quote:
Because we all know that non-Christians are sooooo perfect and do nothing wrong, huh???? :rolleyes:
who said anything about handouts?Quote:
People want things handed to them w/o any work. Work is not easy by definition or it wouldn't be work at all. You call it being "scared", I call it telling it like it is.
that most christians i have encountered act like they can do what they please and then worry about it later and repent for it, just seems kinds like a HUGE loop hole to meQuote:
He does. What's the point?
Have you ever thought about the possibility that some people CHOOSE to believe the content rather than dig to China to find where something was misspelled or mistranslated???????Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulud
Just because I call something a HOUSE and you call it a HUT does NOT change the fact that BOTH are a roof over someone's head. You call it one thing and I another, yet we both SAY the same basic thing.
Well to be honest I sort of agree with you on one thing:Quote:
yes god is supreme but it makes humans out to be better than anyother living organism on this planet. and the fact that animals serve humans? there only existance is to feed us, now thats a little farfetched for me to believe
I've known some animals that are smarter than some :rolleyes: people. ;)
You inferred that when you said, "bible scares....into doing "good"....(...which DOESN'T work....for CHRISTIANS.." So you are inferring that it does for NON-Christians. If you didn't mean that, then I take it back.Quote:
when did i say that?
And if that's true, how is that any different from YOU?????Quote:
that most christians i have encountered act like they can do what they please and then worry about it later and repent for it, just seems kinds like a HUGE loop hole to me
Atleast Christians TRY to repent, what do YOU do? Sin and forget about it???? :rolleyes:
nah thats not what i meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
i just feel like the bible is used to scare people into doing what some believe is right, ibelieve that with all religion but i feel that people should be able to do what is right by choice rather than by fear of the afterlife
i dont think what ihave said on here is a sin so i have nothing to wish i had done differentlyQuote:
And if that's true, how is that any different from YOU?????
Atleast Christians TRY to repent, what do YOU do? Sin and forget about it???? :rolleyes:
Just to add to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wedge
An 8 month old baby was found to have two cancerous tumors. One tumor was on the base of the spine(size of a golf ball) and the other was on her brain (size of a half dollar). Now keep in mind that an 8 month old baby cannot take any kind of treatments or be operated on to remove any of tumor. My whole church brought the baby to the front and we came foward and prayed over the baby. At last report the tumor on the spine had completely disappeared and the one on the brain has shrunk down to the size of a pea. The doctors are baffled by this.
A woman was diagnosed with breast cancer and came before the church to be prayed over. She went in the following week (before any treatment was started but the size and location was noted) to have a biopsy done. The cancer had shrunk to the point they had to look to find it. Once they found it, it was so small they had a hard time getting a sample for the biopsy. Once the doctors were able to get the sample and put it under the microscope, it disintergrated in front of their eyes. They examined her again and there were no signs of cancer.
Both of these examples show what God is capable of and I truly believe in him. And yes this is coming from the ex-Porn King :goodjob:
thanks, I thought my post got shuffled amongst the arguingQuote:
Originally Posted by GA_Teg
sometimes it's easy to read this and think "oh, that's a nice story" but to actually live through it or to see it happen is something totally different.
Thanks for the input
^^^^^ BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS "NOT SOTRIES" ARE UNREAL!!!
This is where my comment of "getting something for nothing" came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulud
You can't expect to get a wonderful eternal afterlife by simply muddling thru life and doing what YOU "feel is right". You have to EARN it. It's not that hard. The sacrifice was already laid down for you on the cross, but you have to make a concious effort and decision to BELIEVE that act. WHEN you do, THEN you are worthy of reaping the rewards. UNTIL THEN, you are not worthy and you will NOT receive it. That's the bottomline and that's reality (as we Christians see it of course).
This is why I said to you earlier that going by your Ho-Hum stance on how to live life, it would seem that you were expecting things to be given vs earned. That's all I'm saying.
That may be true, but you are indeed a sinner regardless. You said that you have a problem with Christians thinking they're all high and mighty because they can "sin" and then merely ask for forgiveness and everything is hunky dorry. Well, my point to you was simply that atleast THEY are asking for forgiveness whereas you don't. Both of you are sinners the same, but only one asks for forgiveness. Follow that?Quote:
i dont think what ihave said on here is a sin so i have nothing to wish i had done differently
God gives no restrictions on WHOM he is going to forgive. Jesus died for ALL of us the same. The only caveat is that you must truly be sorry for what you did, you must acknowledge what you did, and you must not repeat it.
Well the way I look at it this world is too perfect to be coincedence. We are made up of water, why water? why not something else? Our cells live off oxygen, why? Something had to make us to live off of specifically what this planet has to offer. They way the eco systems work, etc.. The supply of food (animals). The human body and its systems are very well designed. It's hard to imagine it's all evolution. There is no way this is all just random. Otherwise why wouldn't things evolve on mars or some other planets? Then when you think that people used to walk barefoot, and live in caves compared to everything we've made today with things from this earth it's really amazing.
Then I wonder sometimes if the bible was created to make people have some kind of guilt for their actions. Looking at just New Orleans you can see the chaos that people are capable of when they have no sense of consequences. What if you die, and thats it? You don't go anywhere. I hope we atleast find out what this was all for and how it came about.
like i said this world is organized perfectly.... everything has some purpose to make this world work.... that can't just happen.