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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    knowing is not having faith though...
    Kind of ironic when you hear people proclaim about all the evidence they have then, huh?

    Faith is a touchy subject, as is religion in itself. Organized religion, to me, is flawed beyond repair. Even if I find my faith, I want no part of a church or congregation. Is that bad? Probably, but I have a general distaste for people in general and the religious hypocrisy that's abound doesn't help. If I'm going to find my faith, then I'll find it in good time and under my own conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Kind of ironic when you hear people proclaim about all the evidence they have then, huh?

    Faith is a touchy subject, as is religion in itself. Organized religion, to me, is flawed beyond repair. Even if I find my faith, I want no part of a church or congregation. Is that bad? Probably, but I have a general distaste for people in general and the religious hypocrisy that's abound doesn't help. If I'm going to find my faith, then I'll find it in good time and under my own conditions.
    i feel you on the church thing... in all honesty... there is a church in particular down this way that has just put a bad taste in my mouth.. and i don't want to be a part of it.. but not all churches are like that...

    sadly though there are a lot of hypocrites in the church these days.. and as you see.. it gives all christians a bad name... i love our church up in blue ridge... it's full of a lot of great, humble, god loving/fearing christians... don't get me wrong there are a few show boats/hypocrites/the church has to revolve around me type there too.(what do you expect though no one is perfect.. and it's a small town!!). but the church as a whole is pretty great.. and our pastor is probably one of the funniest, coolest people i know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Kind of ironic when you hear people proclaim about all the evidence they have then, huh?

    Faith is a touchy subject, as is religion in itself. Organized religion, to me, is flawed beyond repair. Even if I find my faith, I want no part of a church or congregation. Is that bad? Probably, but I have a general distaste for people in general and the religious hypocrisy that's abound doesn't help. If I'm going to find my faith, then I'll find it in good time and under my own conditions.
    Man i feel you on this sometimes. I was part of a church my whole life, grew up in the youth group, etc......Not till about 3 years ago did i actually believe 100% and feel God and know i was in his presence. The church i was at seemed more involved in traditions than actually getting closer with God, or maybe it was just me at that church. But at my new Church it is completely different. When they welcome you with open arms and I am yet to meet a person that was hypocritical or there for the wrong reasons. I guess i just needed to change it up and experience things i have never done before, but God really spoke with me, the first day i was there. You could feel God was really speaking through the preacher as well.

    I do think since you feel you have read the Bible and you know there is a God. There evidence is all around you. I promise you, if you sit down and try to truly reach out to him, you will know he is there as well. Some say, well you have to have Faith, yes you do have to have faith, but faith is not just trying to believe something that is not there. Faith is knowing its there and Knowing that you can trust God no matter what. No matter the situation he can handle it and will not let you falter when you have him on your side.

    I will give you an example. A friend of mine enlightened me by showing me a few verses, that with Gods help, and 100% faith that you can go without getting sickness in your body.

    Exodus 23:24-26


    24 Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces. 25 Worship the LORD your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you, 26 and none will miscarry or be barren in your land. I will give you a full life span.

    1. Matthew 4:23

      [ Jesus Heals the Sick ] Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

      Matthew 4:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter)
    2. Matthew 9:35

      [ The Workers Are Few ] Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

      Matthew 9:34-36 (in Context) Matthew 9 (Whole Chapter)
    3. Matthew 10:1

      [ Jesus Sends Out the Twelve ] He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

      Matthew 10:1-3 (in Context) Matthew 10 (Whole Chapter)
    4. Luke 4:40

      When the sun was setting, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them.

      Luke 4:39-41 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter)
    If you dont speak it upon yourself (dont profess being sick, as God says the tounge is quite powerful,) and belive 100% God will not let you get sick. Jesus sent out the Disiples to cure every disease and sickness. I can honestly profess i have not been sick in over 2 years since beliveing in God and letting him take this away from me. Not even a cold. If ever i get the felling that some sickness might be coming on to me, i pray for healing and dont speak anything apon myself. This is the honest truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    If you dont speak it upon yourself (dont profess being sick, as God says the tounge is quite powerful,) and belive 100% God will not let you get sick. Jesus sent out the Disiples to cure every disease and sickness. I can honestly profess i have not been sick in over 2 years since beliveing in God and letting him take this away from me. Not even a cold. If ever i get the felling that some sickness might be coming on to me, i pray for healing and dont speak anything apon myself. This is the honest truth.
    I totally believe that you have "Power in your words". If you constatly speak negatively, satan trives off of that I believe and you can bring things upon yourself. One preacher said he constantly says "I am well & wonderfly blessed & highly favored of God". Gotta speak positive even when things look bad. However, I have seen many God fearing Christians die with Cancer. I don't understand why, but life happens. Just gotta be prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly
    However, I have seen many God fearing Christians die with Cancer. I don't understand why, but life happens. Just gotta be prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly
    I totally believe that you have "Power in your words". If you constatly speak negatively, satan trives off of that I believe and you can bring things upon yourself. One preacher said he constantly says "I am well & wonderfly blessed & highly favored of God". Gotta speak positive even when things look bad. However, I have seen many God fearing Christians die with Cancer. I don't understand why, but life happens. Just gotta be prepared.
    I have to, but you also must have faith that God is going to take care of it. And dont speak it upon yourself. I had a good friend who was very much a Christian die this spring from cancer at the age of 30. But you cant go around telling everyone you have cancer because that is speaking it upon yourself. Your basically admitting that you have it, as apposed to saying, im fine and God has healed me. Also i think being in the hospital and having all your family around you crying, waiting for you to die does not help. You must have 100% faith that God has it under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Faith is a touchy subject, as is religion in itself.
    i feel there's alot of truth to this. personally, i look at faith as a condition, wavering between doubt and certainty all the time. the search for truth reveals doubts (and of course sometimes further strengthens current beliefs) and through that process knowledge is gained. knowledge leads to greater understanding, and greater certainty. i think this process is part of the human condition and is natural.

    in my opinion faith can be interpretted as openly as the scriptures themselves. anyone at anytime can be at different points in their spiritual journey (if you want to call it that.). the important thing is to keep educating yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyb
    i feel there's alot of truth to this. personally, i look at faith as a condition, wavering between doubt and certainty all the time. the search for truth reveals doubts (and of course sometimes further strengthens current beliefs) and through that process knowledge is gained. knowledge leads to greater understanding, and greater certainty. i think this process is part of the human condition and is natural.

    in my opinion faith can be interpretted as openly as the scriptures themselves. anyone at anytime can be at different points in their spiritual journey (if you want to call it that.). the important thing is to keep educating yourself.
    My point of view on faith is this; I have faith that I'll get my paycheck this week. I have faith that I'll make it to work safely, I have faith that I'll still have my job come Monday morning. I have faith on realistic things, when it comes to magical events, I refuse to take it as faith.

    You and me both have different views on this, which is why we both continue gaining knowledge on the subject. We both disagree, thus causing us to go out there and gain a little more. To help our beliefs and to give us a better understanding of both sides of the card.

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