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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    There's two ways that works, both in my favor.

    1) I'm alive for it. I see the biblical prophecies come true and I put 2+2 together. Hooray Jesus!

    2) I die before the tribulation. During the second coming of Christ, I am brought back to life and shown the truth. If I die, and come back to life but still don't believe then I deserve what I get.

    Also, I'm not going to Heaven. If anything, I'll be at the New Earth.

    ... i don't remember anywhere it standing that the dead that did NOT believe in christ will rise again...

    i'm pretty sure during the second coming the only ones that rise from the grave were believers....

    i don't have scripture to back that up... so if you do to disprove me please let me read it... cause i don't think i ever have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    ... i don't remember anywhere it standing that the dead that did NOT believe in christ will rise again...

    i'm pretty sure during the second coming the only ones that rise from the grave were believers....

    i don't have scripture to back that up... so if you do to disprove me please let me read it... cause i don't think i ever have...
    Those that openly deny Christ and Jehovah God will not be given a second chance. However, those that are misinformed or were never shown the truth will be risen and given a second chance.

    If only the believers were to be resurrected, then all of the starving tribesmen in Africa and elsewhere would be doomed to damnation and never given a chance.

    The way I see it, I'm not denying Christ. He could very well be the truth, the light, ect... but there's just not enough proof right now to solidify my faith. I'm still seeking answers and I think that the Bible may have them. Then again, maybe Buddhism is the answer. I don't know. I'm still learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Those that openly deny Christ and Jehovah God will not be given a second chance. However, those that are misinformed or were never shown the truth will be risen and given a second chance.

    If only the believers were to be resurrected, then all of the starving tribesmen in Africa and elsewhere would be doomed to damnation and never given a chance.

    The way I see it, I'm not denying Christ. He could very well be the truth, the light, ect... but there's just not enough proof right now to solidify my faith. I'm still seeking answers and I think that the Bible may have them. Again, I'm still learning.
    how have you been mis informed then???? you said it yourself, you've read the whole bible... pretty sure that's the most informing book your gonna find on christianity!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    how have you been mis informed then???? you said it yourself, you've read the whole bible... pretty sure that's the most informing book your gonna find on christianity!!!
    Misinformed? Maybe not. I'm just not convinced. I not denying that true Christianity may be the answer, but the assumed "God inspired" book written by man is still just that, written by man. It's just not enough for me to be sure. Anyone who simply reads the Bible cover to cover and claims to have all the answers is a fool. It takes research and a willingness to learn. That's what I'm doing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Misinformed? Maybe not. I'm just not convinced. I not denying that true Christianity may be the answer, but the assumed "God inspired" book written by man is still just that, written by man. It's just not enough for me to be sure. Anyone who simply reads the Bible cover to cover and claims to have all the answers is a fool. It takes research and a willingness to learn. That's what I'm doing now.

    never said you'd have all the answers... but a good understanding on the matter... enough to make a choice to either believe or not believe i would think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    never said you'd have all the answers... but a good understanding on the matter... enough to make a choice to either believe or not believe i would think...
    Eh, there's a lot in the Bible that makes me believe, but there's a lot that's scientifically contradictory to make me think otherwise.

    The Bible alone just isn't enough man. Not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Eh, there's a lot in the Bible that makes me believe, but there's a lot that's scientifically contradictory to make me think otherwise.

    The Bible alone just isn't enough man. Not for me.
    that's a lack of faith then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Those that openly deny Christ and Jehovah God will not be given a second chance. However, those that are misinformed or were never shown the truth will be risen and given a second chance.

    If only the believers were to be resurrected, then all of the starving tribesmen in Africa and elsewhere would be doomed to damnation and never given a chance.

    The way I see it, I'm not denying Christ. He could very well be the truth, the light, ect... but there's just not enough proof right now to solidify my faith. I'm still seeking answers and I think that the Bible may have them. Again, I'm still learning.
    I do agree with you about those who where never shown the path will be given a second chance. Also says children under a certain age will be. You cant expect God to send a 4 year old to hell, because he cannot contemplate the existence of God, as well as those all over the world that have never even heard of the Bible and God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99hatch
    I do agree with you about those who where never shown the path will be given a second chance. Also says children under a certain age will be. You cant expect God to send a 4 year old to hell, because he cannot contemplate the existence of God, as well as those all over the world that have never even heard of the Bible and God.
    Where in the bible does it say people will be given a second chance after they die? Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driftn4jesus
    Where in the bible does it say people will be given a second chance after they die? Just wondering.
    No i was speaking about those who are alive that never heard of God or the Bible, or young children that may be too young to understand. I did not say those who where already passed away. Im sorry maybe i misread the person i quoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Those that openly deny Christ and Jehovah God will not be given a second chance. However, those that are misinformed or were never shown the truth will be risen and given a second chance.
    First true thing you've said in this thread.



    The way I see it, I'm not denying Christ. He could very well be the truth, the light, ect... but there's just not enough proof right now to solidify my faith. I'm still seeking answers and I think that the Bible may have them. Again, I'm still learning.
    I complemented you too soon.......

    That is a very convenient oxymoron.

    If you right above say that those that openly deny Christ's existance will NOT be given a second chance, then where do YOU fall? YOU don't live in some third world tribal civilization that has NEVER had exposure to the truth. So you don't get the luxury of straddling the fence nor covering yourself under the unbrella of non-exposure. So once again to you I say......now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    I complemented you too soon.......

    That is a very convenient oxymoron.

    If you right above say that those that openly deny Christ's existance will NOT be given a second chance, then where do YOU fall? YOU don't live in some third world tribal civilization that has NEVER had exposure to the truth. So you don't get the luxury of straddling the fence nor covering yourself under the unbrella of non-exposure. So once again to you I say......now what?
    It's not an oxymoron at all. Take it in context and do some personal research.

    I do not look at the Bible and say, "NO! You're a lie and not the truth no matter what you say!" I forget the term for people like me, but we are not d@mned because we're uncertain. I get the luxury of straddling a fence and trying to learn that anyone else gets. Just because you give someone a Bible doesn't force them to believe or not right there.

    I'm learning and should I die tomorrow, I'll be given a second chance because I'm still persuing the truth. That's according to biblical scripture.

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