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    Sorry for the *** trying to seperate!

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    1 John 1:15 - John told the truth about him when he cried out, "This is the person about whom I said, 'The one who comes after me ranks higher than me, because he existed before me.'"

    John 1:1-3 - In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.


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    The Bible teaches that there is one who is called the Holy Spirit and is identified as being God. (John 14:16-17, John 15:26, John 16:7-15, Acts 5:3-4, Acts 13:2, 1 Corinthians 12:4-18, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 10:15-18)

    John 15:26 - "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf."

    Conclusion: THERE IS NO TRINITY


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    I see what your saying but this doesn't prove there is no Trinity - it proves that there is!! We are not saying that you can't put God, Jesus, and The holy spirit next to each other.. were saying that the word Trinity represent all tree of them!!! But they are all of God and From God.. Jesus is sitting on the Right hand of the Father in Heaven so we know that they are seperate ...but ONE!! Jesus said that he was sent by the Father and what he speaks is not of him but of the Father.... He also Said that the HolySpirit would speak and confirm what He has said about the Father!! There is only one GOD!!! Jesus is the Son of GOD!! The HolySpirit is the spirit of truth, comforter, etc..

    There is a Trinity!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMEK18
    I see what your saying but this doesn't prove there is no Trinity - it proves that there is!! We are not saying that you can't put God, Jesus, and The holy spirit next to each other.. were saying that the word Trinity represent all tree of them!!! But they are all of God and From God.. Jesus is sitting on the Right hand of the Father in Heaven so we know that they are seperate ...but ONE!! Jesus said that he was sent by the Father and what he speaks is not of him but of the Father.... He also Said that the HolySpirit would speak and confirm what He has said about the Father!! There is only one GOD!!! Jesus is the Son of GOD!! The HolySpirit is the spirit of truth, comforter, etc..

    There is a Trinity!!!!
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMEK18
    I see what your saying but this doesn't prove there is no Trinity - it proves that there is!! We are not saying that you can't put God, Jesus, and The holy spirit next to each other.. were saying that the word Trinity represent all tree of them!!! But they are all of God and From God.. Jesus is sitting on the Right hand of the Father in Heaven so we know that they are seperate ...but ONE!! Jesus said that he was sent by the Father and what he speaks is not of him but of the Father.... He also Said that the HolySpirit would speak and confirm what He has said about the Father!! There is only one GOD!!! Jesus is the Son of GOD!! The HolySpirit is the spirit of truth, comforter, etc..

    There is a Trinity!!!!
    Very true, but your misinterpreting what I mean by the trinity. Many churches believe that Jesus, God, and the holy spirit are one in the same. Which is not true. That's what I was referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Very true, but your misinterpreting what I mean by the trinity. Many churches believe that Jesus, God, and the holy spirit are one in the same. Which is not true. That's what I was referring to.
    What you are referring to is known as Modalism. Modalist believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one being that changes forms at different times. Modalism is also what is often used by Jehovah Witnesses to attempt to disprove the Trinity; however, the teachings of the Trinity are that they are three different beings which all derivitives of the same. A true example of the Trinity can be seen in 2 Cor 13:13, May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. And in case you are wondering, I am using a NLV Bible at the moment. I do not have the time necessary at this point to run it through a Strong's Concordence, but it is still close the Greek meanings.


    As stated earlier, it is not pagonistic to celebrate the birth or resurection of Jesus Christ on any day of the calander; however, it would be paganistic to celebrate just the date. And as far as the dates originally being paganistic holidays, do you think that anyone actually knows what celebrations Easter and Christmas actually replaced? Therefore, do you think we are celebrating the originally meanings or the birth and resurection of our Savior?

    Thats all I have time for right now. It seems that I must go to work and continue to carry the message to the sick and suffering.

    Its slow... I promise

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