Quote Originally Posted by AWD OWNZ U
Um, no. Everything falls in order there is no double talk. Your point is that there is no life in universe because we haven't found any. Hence the lack of proof is not proof of it's opposite.
You did plenty of double talking.

Exhibit A is the last sentence in the quote above. How does "...lack of proof is not proof of the opposite.." NOT double talk? It says absolutely nothing. It contradicts itself. The only subject matter in which lack of proof doesn't automatically disprove anything is FAITH. Are you saying you have FAITH there are E.T.'s out there? If so, then I can't argue with that. If you are not, then you are simply double talking.

That's like when you're parents told you when you were young to "do as I SAY not as I DO". We as adults now know that was merely double talk to get us to do what they wanted us to.

Now you are trying to get thru using the same logic. "Lack of proof is not proof of the opposite". Find one thing, beside Faith, that by definition does NOT require proof to be believed. ONE.

I don't believe in God because the entire concept makes no sense logically it has nothing to do with lack of proof.
Once again you are trying to do the same thing Paul is. Trying to explain the existance of God using logic is like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, it can be done but you'd have to bang the crap out of it to do so.

Look up the definition of Faith. Nowhere in that definition does it say anything about LOGIC. It actually says that it something that defies logic. Therefore, how in the world are you ever going to find any faith using logic??? That's like trying to put a fire out with gasoline. Won't work, right? Why? Because it just won't because of what gas is and what fire is. It just IS.

Faith is believing in something withOUT the use of logic. So how in this world are you gonna EVER find it using LOGIC?????? That's an oxymoron.



You can't be serious? Can you believe I have an STi? Because I'd sure like one.
You missed it all together.

I do in fact believe in Jesus and therefore it makes it TRUE for ME. If you don't believe, then it won't be true for YOU. So, all that matters is that I believe it for MYSELF. I don't have to have YOU believe it TOO or FOR me. I simply have to believe for myself for it to be TRUE for ME, therefore MY belief is the only one that matters for ME. Get it now?



Don't put words in mouth. I said the odds of us finding life by this point in time were poor and that IF we never find life that doesn't prove it doesn't exist.
Again, double talk.

Like I said before, do some research. Find ONE example of something that by DEFINITION does NOT require proof to believe it, besides FAITH, and you have a point. Until then, it's double talk.

You say in one sentence that proof may never be found, yet in the next you say that doesn't "prove" anything.... Yes it most certainly does.



Handful in scale to the amount of people on the planet. The first link you posted doesn't even have anything to do with finding life. Not all radio telescopes are used for that you know.

Really??? Go back and see what that is the directory of staff members FOR. It is for the Arecibo Observatory, the same world's largest radio telescope we've been talking about all along. I also included an article about SETI in which it describes USING that very same observatory since 1963 for the search of E.T.'s. So if that's not people in that observatory LOOKING for "life", I don't know what is.





I've read through the so called historical evidence and there is some. In fact I'd say that Jesus was a person, the evidence against it is marginal at best and the evidence for it vaguely reasonable. There is alot however about his divinity that makes one take pause. Not really a discussion for this thread though.

I can respect that. As a matter of fact there are several mainstream religions that believe exactly what you suspect, that Jesus was a man/prophet but NOT the son of God and NOT the saviour. That atleast is a belief. If it's right or wrong is definetly not for me to judge. That is a personal choice. I don't have any issues with anyone that thinks like that. I do however have issues with someone that doesn't believe there is a God or even no Jesus at all.