Dis-arming of America

[SPOOLIN]

I'm amazed at all these people that want to give their hard earned livelihood to other people every day of the year. I'll be damned if i'm helping some worthless idiot that can't go out and educate them selves and get a job to get through life. My oldest brother didn't graduate HS, didn't get a GED and has been in trouble lots and had money issues since he was like 18, now hes 30. I haven't helped his ass at all, never will help him, because he can make it on his own and he's getting better at it because he was tired of never having anything good. He's borrowed money from me ONCE only because i knew he had a job and i was making him give me the paycheck the next week..and it was for a car which i found for him. You "educated" people are steering this country towards communism with your ideas on wealth and distribution and all this crap. Fend for yourself, be a damn "MAN" or "STEP UP WOMAN", whatever the case may be. Never in the history of this country has there been any leader pushing for wealth distribution or the older citizens speaking one word of it because our fathers and grand fathers were tough and worked hard. You guys just SUCK.

[The12lber]

The good ol USA payed for my schooling as well.

Yeah, that's kind of the idea. Not to hand people money. To make education better and more accessible. To make sure everyone receives adequate healthcare.

The superwealthy of the nation aren't going to miss those extra few million of their income.

Really.

[The12lber]

wealth distribution or the older citizens speaking one word of it because our fathers and grand fathers were tough and worked hard. You guys just SUCK.

I'm going to let you in a little secret. Lots of politicians are talking about universal healthcare. What do you think that is?

More over, I don't think people should be left behind without a good education/healthcare/etc. That's great that they worked hard and all that good business, but the point is - IT SHOULD NOT BE HARD TO GET AN EDUCATION. We have the financial capital to do half the world's military spending in any given year but not enough to ensure our citizenry is well educated? Most engineering degrees/PhDs/etc are being earned in India and China these days and not the United States. I wonder why that is. Its better for all of us when everyone has a clue.

[SPOOLIN]

Yeah, that's kind of the idea. Not to hand people money. To make education better and more accessible. To make sure everyone receives adequate healthcare.

The superwealthy of the nation aren't going to miss those extra few million of their income.

Really.

Actually the state of georgia payed for his education, our lottery tickets. The super wealthy won't miss it no, but its still not our money, its theirs for their spending. I don't wan't it, and no one else diserves to take it.

[SPOOLIN]

I'm going to let you in a little secret. Lots of politicians are talking about universal healthcare. What do you think that is?

More over, I don't think people should be left behind without a good education/healthcare/etc. That's great that they worked hard and all that good business, but the point is - IT SHOULD NOT BE HARD TO GET AN EDUCATION. Period.

i would love to know how its hard to get an education, ESPECIALLY IN THIS STATE. I can think of some reasons. Lazy, dropped out of free high school, drug abuse, or just dead on arrival. TOP education is not cheap, but not everyone needs top of the line education and for the people that want it and can afford the top of the line education, they'll get it but you can still go all the way no matter who you are.

[The12lber]

Actually the state of georgia payed for his education, our lottery tickets. The super wealthy won't miss it no, but its still not our money, its theirs for their spending. I don't wan't it, and no one else diserves to take it.

Yeah, okay. I'm sure as a civilization we get a lot farther not using that money for education.

[The12lber]

i would love to know how its hard to get an education, ESPECIALLY IN THIS STATE.

Not everyone lives in Georgia.

[SPOOLIN]

Not everyone lives in Georgia.

well its not our problem that other states don't have a lottery they could easily create.

it doesn't even matter, a decent higher education doesn't cost more than it should for someone to keep a steady job and take care of it. Thats life, TOUGH, it's been that way since the creation of man, since the slaves built the pyramids. HARD WORK. One man can't and will not change that, for certain.

[Jaimecbr900]

I realize you're trying to save face now, but srsly, post something on topic or stfu. All you've done is try to go at me from a personal angle instead of actually address the topic at hand. If you have something to add, go for it or just accept that you're wrong and gtfo.

Save face with who? You? Don't flatter yourself.

Are you seriously still babbling? What are you babbling about now?

[disrupt]

Ha Ha how old are you? I am thinking with your brilliance and life time of experiences you would know something by now?

Oh wait... your still a teenager?

and again, you default to the 'your(sic) a teenager' bit. trying to say i haven't experienced much in life because i'm young is pretty ridiculous coming from someone who has presumably spent the majority of his life in the GA boonies killing bugs for a living(see i can make assumptions too!)

how long before you give up, i wonder. you've really been struggling these last couple posts.

[man]

Who should I go with? The ignorant youth or the ignorant elders...

Seriously guys, tough decision. It's like choosing your suicide method.

[BUGMAN]

and again, you default to the 'your(sic) a teenager' bit. trying to say i haven't experienced much in life because i'm young is pretty ridiculous coming from someone who has presumably spent the majority of his life in the GA boonies killing bugs for a living(see i can make assumptions too!)

how long before you give up, i wonder. you've really been struggling these last couple posts.

How do you say that your age is an assumption? Actually saying that you haven't experienced much in life is a relevant statement since your still a teenager. C'mon man I don't think anyone would argue that. Even if I never left Walton County I have still experienced more presidents in term than you will in the next 20 years. That's a given.

I am not struggling at all but find it useless to argue with anyone that has a whole life's experience of maybe 3-4 years in books instead of living in the real world. There is nothing you can say or do that can give you the experience that I have seen and experienced during the time period you weren't even hatched yet until well past when you were stomping in mud holes. Many of us old fuggers were there and have experienced 10,000x of what has ever been printed in your books. I am not trying to belittle you at all but give it 15-20 years and you just may be having this same conversation with some other teen that just won't understand the difference. Heck I was there and did the same thing and I am sure that I argued until I was blue in the face but later on I began to understand the difference between experience and text.

Take the Twin Towers for instance. I am assuming (yeah I know) your old enough to have felt the full affect of that life experience deep down. Just remember in 10-15 years when some youngin reads an article or two then visits the Memorial thinking that was enough to know everything about it... Well they will never know it like you or anyone else that was here while it was actually happening. Not sure how old you are but you should be old enough to understand what I mean on that one.

Now don't jump so quick to defensiveness this time. I am not trying to argue at all but just make points which has nothing to do with that rambling first post that once again was not composed by me.

Therefore I am not arguing any point at all but simply passing time watching everyone else think that they are making me understand what they have read in a classroom instead of actual life experiences.

Now if you want to bust my azz in politics than I have no doubt that you are at least 50% more educated than I am on current affairs. You seem very intelligent but a little close minded. I have learned that not everything is as it seems but instead I have seen what politicians say and then do once in office so really no one knows at this point.

Holy chit my fingers are tired now.




Hey here is something for everyone to have a good laugh at.

Can you say stumped...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

[BUGMAN]

Who should I go with? The ignorant youth or the ignorant elders...

Seriously guys, tough decision. It's like choosing your suicide method.

Neither!

Make your own stand to yourself and later on see how well you did with it. I quit trying to guess how something will turn out in politics because they are all full of chit and will say anything to get into that office. Then we are all fugged up for another 4 years.

P.S. I am not by any means a
McCain die hard fan. Just seemed
lesser of the 2 evils to me.

[The12lber]

Save face with who? You? Don't flatter yourself.

Are you seriously still babbling? What are you babbling about now?

Probably yourself considering I wounded your ego by revealing your own idiocy.

[The12lber]

Save face with who? You? Don't flatter yourself.

Are you seriously still babbling? What are you babbling about now?

Probably yourself considering I wounded your ego by revealing your own idiocy to you.

[man]

P.S. I am not by any means a
McCain die hard fan. Just seemed
lesser of the 2 evils to me.

I'm starting to lean that way myself. Thought I was going to vote for Obama but then I really started listening past all the "promises" that come out of ALL politicians mouths.

[Jaimecbr900]

Probably yourself considering I wounded your ego by revealing your own idiocy to you.

You're right. It takes a Rhodes Scholar to hit the "submit reply" button twice to repeat the same non-sense.....

[BUGMAN]

I'm starting to lean that way myself. Thought I was going to vote for Obama but then I really started listening past all the "promises" that come out of ALL politicians mouths.

Exactly my point. Did ya by any chance click the link in my Sig.? I have found probably 20-30 interviews like this one that just scares the hell out of me thinking that he has a chance to win this election.

From another board:
Isn't it crazy how nobody cares about Obama's history. He has his followers in a trance and nobody can wake up. The guy has no accomplishments to speak of, flip flops on tons of issues and nobody cares. He is known to associate with radicals for the last 20 years and all that doesn't matter. Definitely will get interesting if he gets elected.

Here is a blog that is quite interesting also. http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008...ent-obama.html

[Alan®]

I can't stand it when people b1tch about equal distribution of wealth. Honestly, if you want it bad enough...you'll get it. No matter what the circumstances. Don't ***** about not being able to get a degree because of the circumstances someone was brought up on, or not having everything handed to them. Today is MUCH different than it was 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. It's much harder to make money without money. BUT IT CAN BE DONE. I'm an example. When I dropped out of college my parents told me I couldn't come home and that I needed to grow up..I just broke the 6figure mark this year. It's taken me 3 years to get there. But, I'm 21 years old. I mean honestly...The equal distribution of wealth **** irritates me. There are too many lazy people in this country.

I actually think Obama is a HELL of a guy. I just don't agree much of his policies. Nor McCain to be honest. But either is better than Clinton. I will vote for who I think is the lesser evil.

THANK YOU!!!!!! Seriously this has been one of the biggest things i have been telling people for years.

The decleration of independence gave us life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness not the gurantee. If you want something bad enough go FREAKING GET IT don't sit on your ass and do nothing. There are so many different ways to acheive goals in this counry and yet there are still people who blame others for why their lives are the way they are.

[Alan®]

He was mediocre at best. roflskates. Selling arms to Iran, at the time a hostile nation, in a desperate attempt to gain political clout. Supplying chemical weapons to Iraq which were used in the Kurdish Genocide, economic policy which hastened the coming of the economic crisis of the late eightees and deepened its severity.

As someone who actually knows something about our political history because you know - I decided being edcuated was important and actually stayed in college, not only is he a very unimpressive president, Nixon was better. And so was Clinton. Even Carter, for all he lacked in charisma, was a better president. Yes, even still ,George H.W. Bush was better.


"Redistribution" doesn't mean taking part of someone's paycheck and putting it in someone else' pocket either. That's why the quotes are there. It could be anything from universal healthcare, for all those lazy people you told me about who make less money than you (coal miners and road workers obviously couldn't care less about their health, right?), to lower tuition and an improved education system at every level.

Your "six figure income" wouldn't be adversely affected anyhow. The lack of equal distribution in wealth is mainly because of the superwealthy top 1-2% So I hate to break it to you, but you are not rich and successful enough to be breaking a sweat about "redistribution".

You managed to in less than a sentence insinuate that all people who are paid an inadequate wage are lazy ne'r do-gooders, making an extremely bold statement about an issue you basically DO NOT UNDERSTAND. In short, you are the ignorant one, not me.

Edit: Its also worth mentioning the chemical weapons technology handed over to Saddam by Reagan's administration were used on U.S. troops and are the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. U.S. troops were always stationed near chemical detectors, however, they were unreliable and constantly sounded false alarms, making it impossible to detect the presence of any chemical agents. The symptoms of "Gulf War Syndrome" are classic examples of low level mustard gas exposure, from chemical artillery deployed by the Iraqi Army (No, it wasn't DU. An abundance of DU munitions were expended in the Balkans and there is no Kosovo War Syndrome). Still the best president though, right?

In the same way reaper "flsley insinuated" something, you similarly just made yourself look really dumb for an educated person. Reaper is actually a very intelligent person but since your so educated you probably know people so well you don't even ever really need to meet them.

The country is going through a huge wealth redistribution phase. And just because he ONLY makes 6 figures a year doesnt mean he's not feeling it as well. Hell my dad isn't even in the top 1-2% yet he still pays out $100k+ a year in taxes. Imagine how much more it will go up if someone like Obama get's into office and implements all kinds of new policies that will have to be paid for by increased tax revenues by who the lower tax brackets? I don't think so.

Hell I'm 19 and thanks to them democrats I will be paying out 35% next year on my taxes simply because my dad still claims me.

[Alan®]

I'm not the ignorant one - I actually have a college education in the field of economics

Birthday:
January 2, 1989

Your not even a week younger than me and you have a degree in economics? LOL.

[MoFo]

Your not even a week younger than me and you have a degree in economics? LOL.
it's you're btw. the word 'your' should be used when saying something like, 'your car sucks.' and 'you are' or 'you're' should be used like this, 'you're not so smart yourself.'

im not really going to jump into this subject since i don't have too much knowledge on it, but you did go through the trouble to call out the12lber in the whores lounge about how stupid he is and how uneducated blah blah blahhh. but shouldn't you check your intellect first before you callout someone else on theirs? just wanted to point that out since you made a thread with a link to this thread, thats all.

[The12lber]

Your not even a week younger than me and you have a degree in economics? LOL.

You found my driver's license, right?
The part of my profile that lists my birthday also lists my gender as "Tranny".
Unless you really want to claim that I'm a transexual too.

You're not so bright.

[The12lber]

In the same way reaper "flsley insinuated" something, you similarly just made yourself look really dumb for an educated person. Reaper is actually a very intelligent person but since your so educated you probably know people so well you don't even ever really need to meet them.

I don't care how smart he may or may not be. He said something profoundly stupid.

The country is going through a huge wealth redistribution phase.
If by phase you mean ongoing and ceaseless trend for the last 40 years then sure, its a phase.
And just because he ONLY makes 6 figures a year doesnt mean he's not feeling it as well. Hell my dad isn't even in the top 1-2% yet he still pays out $100k+ a year in taxes.
And how much did he keep as after tax income?
Plenty.
Imagine how much more it will go up if someone like Obama get's into office and implements all kinds of new policies that will have to be paid for by increased tax revenues by who the lower tax brackets? I don't think so.
Yeah, ideally the lower tax brackets should be taxed less though seeing as how a greater proportion of their income goes towards basic necessities rent/mortgage/food/gas.

Hell I'm 19 and thanks to them democrats I will be paying out 35% next year on my taxes simply because my dad still claims me.
Yeah, that sucks but oh well. I've been there and its not fun but in the end it didn't hurt me that much because I was using the money to buy high end electronics and not support myself.

Even if you don't favor reworking the tax code so that way there's an increased tax burden on extremely wealthy individuals for the good of the population as a whole and regardless of your political beliefs, you don't need to understand much about economics to know this. Public policy favors the wealthy which has been a tremendous factor in the increasingly divergent distribution of wealth.

[disrupt]

How do you say that your age is an assumption? Actually saying that you haven't experienced much in life is a relevant statement since your still a teenager. C'mon man I don't think anyone would argue that. Even if I never left Walton County I have still experienced more presidents in term than you will in the next 20 years. That's a given.

I am not struggling at all but find it useless to argue with anyone that has a whole life's experience of maybe 3-4 years in books instead of living in the real world. There is nothing you can say or do that can give you the experience that I have seen and experienced during the time period you weren't even hatched yet until well past when you were stomping in mud holes. Many of us old fuggers were there and have experienced 10,000x of what has ever been printed in your books. I am not trying to belittle you at all but give it 15-20 years and you just may be having this same conversation with some other teen that just won't understand the difference. Heck I was there and did the same thing and I am sure that I argued until I was blue in the face but later on I began to understand the difference between experience and text.

Take the Twin Towers for instance. I am assuming (yeah I know) your old enough to have felt the full affect of that life experience deep down. Just remember in 10-15 years when some youngin reads an article or two then visits the Memorial thinking that was enough to know everything about it... Well they will never know it like you or anyone else that was here while it was actually happening. Not sure how old you are but you should be old enough to understand what I mean on that one.

Now don't jump so quick to defensiveness this time. I am not trying to argue at all but just make points which has nothing to do with that rambling first post that once again was not composed by me.

Therefore I am not arguing any point at all but simply passing time watching everyone else think that they are making me understand what they have read in a classroom instead of actual life experiences.

Now if you want to bust my azz in politics than I have no doubt that you are at least 50% more educated than I am on current affairs. You seem very intelligent but a little close minded. I have learned that not everything is as it seems but instead I have seen what politicians say and then do once in office so really no one knows at this point.

well that's actually a solid post. not much I can say to that(except that i turned 20 last month, so i'm just over the teen mark), but i draw more from experience than textbooks, really. i may be barely 20, but i've lived on 3 continents, experienced the wars that happened in the balkans in the 90s, a nato bombing in 99, and a good number of other things. i'm less naive than you might think, but you're right in that it's all relative. i still have plenty to experience.

but all the trolling was just for fun, ignore the ad hominem attacks, i didn't mean anything personal by 'em.

[BUGMAN]

well that's actually a solid post. not much I can say to that(except that i turned 20 last month, so i'm just over the teen mark), but i draw more from experience than textbooks, really. i may be barely 20, but i've lived on 3 continents, experienced the wars that happened in the balkans in the 90s, a nato bombing in 99, and a good number of other things. i'm less naive than you might think, but you're right in that it's all relative. i still have plenty to experience.

but all the trolling was just for fun, ignore the ad hominem attacks, i didn't mean anything personal by 'em.

I never thought for a second that you were the least bit naive. I even commented about your intellect compared to mine on today's political aspects.

Great post for a debate like I said in the beginning and I myself have learned a great deal simply from reading the responses posted.