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    Do OUR people believe that this is the greatest nation in the world? How many of you think that there's a better country to live in? IF you think there is another country out there that's better...why haven't you moved? You can get a plane ticket to nearly any location on earth for $1000 or less...and a passport is less money than that. Really! If you think that there's a better place to live, to raise your children, and you're still here, then do you REALLY think THAT place is better? Sure, the USA has it's problems...but I wouldn't trade any of them to be forced into living in another place. I won't get into the “whys” or drawbacks of other countries, but let's just say that if you're reading this, then you're still living here, and therefore you must feel that this is the greatest place on earth.



    This IS the greatest place on earth, but that's a tough concept to grasp. On a more “local” scale, think about your city...it's probably a pretty good place to live, right? (Goes back to the “why haven't you moved yet” philosophy...lol!). Anyway, I'm sure that you probably feel somewhat secure in your home, in your neighborhood, in your city. Now, think for a moment...what is the VERY first thing that you would do if someone were to break into your home RIGHT NOW as you're reading this? I'm sure that fear would run through your body, and then adrenaline would rush through your veins as you reacted to the situation. Now...let's stop right here for a moment. Rewind....what do you think caused the (crook, thief, murderer...you don't know yet) to choose YOUR house to break in to? First off...for anyone to break into your house, chances are that you have SOMETHING that they want...and for whatever reason, in THEIR mind, your house or YOU have what they need. Do you have that little “protected by _______” sign in your yard? Is your house known for having an owner that “has weapons and will use them”? Chances are, probably not if they chose YOUR house. O.K...back to the break in. So, what do you do? Did you have your doors locked? Did you run to your closet and pull out your pistol, your rifle? Oh, you don't have any??? O.K...did you grab your baseball bat? Can you swing it? Did you pick up your phone and call 911? It sure is nice that the police are just a short call away, isn't it? What if the police tell you, “oh, I'm sorry...we've decided to bring all of our officers back to the precinct...you're on your own”...what would you do? (back to the break-in shortly)

    Think about it, just what would happen to your beautiful and peaceful little city if the cops weren't there? Would it stay beautiful and peaceful for long? A city without police would turn to **** pretty quickly! It wouldn't be long before some “ring leader” formed a “gang” and started breaking into houses, businesses, etc...taking money, vehicles, property...and killing innocent people. So, it's pretty “safe” to say that your beautiful and peaceful little city stays that way because you have a “police force” thats there to protect you.

    Right?

    What is the “police force” that protects this country? This world? I'm sure that you can see where I'm going with this...your United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Reserve components are here to protect this country. Again, what about the world? Well, there is the United Nations...where our soldiers, along with the soldiers of other nations, work together to ensure “world security”. The problem is...other nations' soldiers or “police force” stay in their “precinct”. We, the United States, is the only country that has bases spread across the globe. Can you think of any bases here in the US that are “foreign”? Other countries don't have bases in numerous countries across the world. WE are the “police force” that is there when a neighboring country calls 911. That's right, YOUR United States Military serves and protects the entire world.



    We live in THE best country in the world, but please grasp this concept...did you know that Iraq has a higher voting rate per person than the United States? That's right...in America roughly 20% of the adult population will determine the winner of the presidential election. In Iraq, roughly 60-70% of the adult population will determine the same. And guess what, in Iraq you risk YOUR LIFE to go vote. Here, 80% of our adult population thinks that it's too much of a bother. I know, this sounds like a “ploy” to ask you to vote...it's not. This is simply my concern with our upcoming elections. Because of the lack uneducated voters, we're on the verge of heading down a “police-less” street. One of our presidential candidates plans to DISARM the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! This is a very, very, real concern! This candidate says that he will stop spending dollars on the defense of our nation, that he will get rid of our nuclear arsenal. My question is this...WHY? My request to you is to DO YOUR RESEARCH before you vote.



    OUR house (the United States) is unlocked. Fortunately, we've always had the “protected by _____” signs up, and we've always been known for protecting ourselves and our neighbors. Yes, we've had some intruders break into our house, but our “police force” has always been there when 911 was called.



    This candidate doesn't agree with us going into this war.

    For those of you who wonder why we went to war, I can only explain it this way:

    Across the street, you see a rogue break into your neighbors house, (obviously he was breaking the “law”) taking your neighbor's property, killing his wife and children. This person has a “gang” of people helping him and you call 911. Unfortunately, this has already happened to many neighborhoods already...and the rogue has a “following” that's working for the same cause. As a matter of fact, the entire city is in chaos already...that 911 call failed to go through. The United Nations has rules against what the rogue has done, but they've never enforced them. It was up to the “worlds police force” to step in and enforce these rules, these laws. We are at war for this reason. Do we WANT to be there? No. The same way that the police officer that comes to your house when you call 911 doesn't WANT to be put into an unknown, dangerous situation where he could be killed. But guess what, he does it because he believes in what he's doing, and why he's doing it. He'll gladly put his life in harm's way to protect you, even though he doesn't know you.



    Just because we don't KNOW our world neighbors doesn't mean that we should let them be killed by a ruthless dictator.



    Back to your break-in...I hope that you can understand the importance of your police force (both locally and nationally). I hope that you get that insecure feeling, that “wake up call” every now and then to remind you that it IS important to have an ARMED force here in your country. Right now, there is an operator at the desk ready to handle your 911 call...will there be someone there if Obama gets voted into office? Think about it.

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    i think im gonna slap the next person of voting age that complains about a candidate but doesnt vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesse4846
    i think im gonna slap the next person of voting age that complains about a candidate but doesnt vote.
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    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


















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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJettastic86nz
    Stop watching Fox.
    stop watching cnn then

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    I bet you found this on streetcarforums.com (fox news car forum). I don't agree with all of Obama's plans, but I do think he has a better foreign policy plan (not by much to me) than MCcain. Sorry but I don't want my country dealing with the rest of the world's problems all the time, while at the same time forgetting to fix the problems at home first.
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    yeah, since the iraq war was built upon a series of manufactured evidence, lies, secret agendas, and deception... its not really a good thing right now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJettastic86nz
    yeah, since the iraq war was built upon a series of manufactured evidence, lies, secret agendas, and deception... its not really a good thing right now.
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    I agree with the war somewhat and I know something needed to be done but like stated above, we have enough problems over here that need to be fixed.

    Just like the starving children commercials you see on TV. Now I am no tight wod and donate probably well over 10k a year to charities but not a penny of it goes over seas.

    As far as dis-arming America... Well it would take probably longer than I am going to live to accomplish that so I don't see any major threats there.

    I do support our troops and love my firearms but that is not why I posted this. I just put it up simply for a discussion and debate. Thought it may be good material for a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    Do OUR people believe that this is the greatest nation in the world? How many of you think that there's a better country to live in? IF you think there is another country out there that's better...why haven't you moved? You can get a plane ticket to nearly any location on earth for $1000 or less...and a passport is less money than that. Really! If you think that there's a better place to live, to raise your children, and you're still here, then do you REALLY think THAT place is better? Sure, the USA has it's problems...but I wouldn't trade any of them to be forced into living in another place. I won't get into the “whys” or drawbacks of other countries, but let's just say that if you're reading this, then you're still living here, and therefore you must feel that this is the greatest place on earth.



    This IS the greatest place on earth, but that's a tough concept to grasp. On a more “local” scale, think about your city...it's probably a pretty good place to live, right? (Goes back to the “why haven't you moved yet” philosophy...lol!). Anyway, I'm sure that you probably feel somewhat secure in your home, in your neighborhood, in your city. Now, think for a moment...what is the VERY first thing that you would do if someone were to break into your home RIGHT NOW as you're reading this? I'm sure that fear would run through your body, and then adrenaline would rush through your veins as you reacted to the situation. Now...let's stop right here for a moment. Rewind....what do you think caused the (crook, thief, murderer...you don't know yet) to choose YOUR house to break in to? First off...for anyone to break into your house, chances are that you have SOMETHING that they want...and for whatever reason, in THEIR mind, your house or YOU have what they need. Do you have that little “protected by _______” sign in your yard? Is your house known for having an owner that “has weapons and will use them”? Chances are, probably not if they chose YOUR house. O.K...back to the break in. So, what do you do? Did you have your doors locked? Did you run to your closet and pull out your pistol, your rifle? Oh, you don't have any??? O.K...did you grab your baseball bat? Can you swing it? Did you pick up your phone and call 911? It sure is nice that the police are just a short call away, isn't it? What if the police tell you, “oh, I'm sorry...we've decided to bring all of our officers back to the precinct...you're on your own”...what would you do? (back to the break-in shortly)

    Think about it, just what would happen to your beautiful and peaceful little city if the cops weren't there? Would it stay beautiful and peaceful for long? A city without police would turn to **** pretty quickly! It wouldn't be long before some “ring leader” formed a “gang” and started breaking into houses, businesses, etc...taking money, vehicles, property...and killing innocent people. So, it's pretty “safe” to say that your beautiful and peaceful little city stays that way because you have a “police force” thats there to protect you.

    Right?

    What is the “police force” that protects this country? This world? I'm sure that you can see where I'm going with this...your United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Reserve components are here to protect this country. Again, what about the world? Well, there is the United Nations...where our soldiers, along with the soldiers of other nations, work together to ensure “world security”. The problem is...other nations' soldiers or “police force” stay in their “precinct”. We, the United States, is the only country that has bases spread across the globe. Can you think of any bases here in the US that are “foreign”? Other countries don't have bases in numerous countries across the world. WE are the “police force” that is there when a neighboring country calls 911. That's right, YOUR United States Military serves and protects the entire world.



    We live in THE best country in the world, but please grasp this concept...did you know that Iraq has a higher voting rate per person than the United States? That's right...in America roughly 20% of the adult population will determine the winner of the presidential election. In Iraq, roughly 60-70% of the adult population will determine the same. And guess what, in Iraq you risk YOUR LIFE to go vote. Here, 80% of our adult population thinks that it's too much of a bother. I know, this sounds like a “ploy” to ask you to vote...it's not. This is simply my concern with our upcoming elections. Because of the lack uneducated voters, we're on the verge of heading down a “police-less” street. One of our presidential candidates plans to DISARM the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! This is a very, very, real concern! This candidate says that he will stop spending dollars on the defense of our nation, that he will get rid of our nuclear arsenal. My question is this...WHY? My request to you is to DO YOUR RESEARCH before you vote.



    OUR house (the United States) is unlocked. Fortunately, we've always had the “protected by _____” signs up, and we've always been known for protecting ourselves and our neighbors. Yes, we've had some intruders break into our house, but our “police force” has always been there when 911 was called.



    This candidate doesn't agree with us going into this war.

    For those of you who wonder why we went to war, I can only explain it this way:

    Across the street, you see a rogue break into your neighbors house, (obviously he was breaking the “law”) taking your neighbor's property, killing his wife and children. This person has a “gang” of people helping him and you call 911. Unfortunately, this has already happened to many neighborhoods already...and the rogue has a “following” that's working for the same cause. As a matter of fact, the entire city is in chaos already...that 911 call failed to go through. The United Nations has rules against what the rogue has done, but they've never enforced them. It was up to the “worlds police force” to step in and enforce these rules, these laws. We are at war for this reason. Do we WANT to be there? No. The same way that the police officer that comes to your house when you call 911 doesn't WANT to be put into an unknown, dangerous situation where he could be killed. But guess what, he does it because he believes in what he's doing, and why he's doing it. He'll gladly put his life in harm's way to protect you, even though he doesn't know you.



    Just because we don't KNOW our world neighbors doesn't mean that we should let them be killed by a ruthless dictator.



    Back to your break-in...I hope that you can understand the importance of your police force (both locally and nationally). I hope that you get that insecure feeling, that “wake up call” every now and then to remind you that it IS important to have an ARMED force here in your country. Right now, there is an operator at the desk ready to handle your 911 call...will there be someone there if Obama gets voted into office? Think about it.

    http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/20...disarm-america
    so you're asserting that the the rest of the world is a collective of unsafe ****holes without competent police or any national security? bravo.

    tell me, how many countries and continents have you lived in/on? or lets knock that a step down: how many countries have you actually traveled to?

    contrary to your belief, moving somewhere else isn't as easy as buying a plane ticket(which trust me, cost much more than $1000 for most places) and saying goodbye. there's a multitude of reasons why someone may live somewhere, and know it's not the best place for them. Maybe it's a matter of time before they move, or maybe there's something keeping them there, such as family, or financial obligations.

    your post reeks of ignorance and subjective argument.

    you might love this country and it may be the best place for you, but don't try to argue that it's the best place to live for everyone bar none, because it's not. i'll be honest: i've had a comfortable life here in america, and this country has treated me well, but i don't feel at home here, and never will. the culture here is too different from what i grew up with and am accustomed to, and i do plan on moving out after i'm done with school. i'm not gonna bash america, because i have no reason to and it's a great country to live in, but i can't agree with you saying it's absolutely the best place in the world for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disrupt
    so you're asserting that the the rest of the world is a collective of unsafe ****holes without competent police or any national security? bravo.

    tell me, how many countries and continents have you lived in/on? or lets knock that a step down: how many countries have you actually traveled to?

    contrary to your belief, moving somewhere else isn't as easy as buying a plane ticket(which trust me, cost much more than $1000 for most places) and saying goodbye. there's a multitude of reasons why someone may live somewhere, and know it's not the best place for them. Maybe it's a matter of time before they move, or maybe there's something keeping them there, such as family, or financial obligations.

    your post reeks of ignorance and subjective argument.

    you might love this country and it may be the best place for you, but don't try to argue that it's the best place to live for everyone bar none, because it's not. i'll be honest: i've had a comfortable life here in america, and this country has treated me well, but i don't feel at home here, and never will. the culture here is too different from what i grew up with and am accustomed to, and i do plan on moving out after i'm done with school. i'm not gonna bash america, because i have no reason to and it's a great country to live in, but i can't agree with you saying it's absolutely the best place in the world for everyone.
    Ease up slick... Like I said I got it form another board and thought it may be a good debate between folks. WTF crawled up your azz? Why don't you read my last post before looking so damn ignorant yourself.

    I stated by beliefs but apparently you were too eager to start whining to read it.

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    Be careful Bugman.....if you say something negative about Obama you'll suddenly be a racist bigot who doesn't want "change".......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    Be careful Bugman.....if you say something negative about Obama you'll suddenly be a racist bigot who doesn't want "change".......
    Your posts are always hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    Ease up slick... Like I said I got it form another board and thought it may be a good debate between folks. WTF crawled up your azz? Why don't you read my last post before looking so damn ignorant yourself.

    I stated by beliefs but apparently you were too eager to start whining to read it.
    while we're on the subject of 'reading it', take your own advice. nowhere in your first two posts did you say you got it from another board, you just said you 'posted it up'

    then you claim you want a debate, yet when i argue against one of the points in the post, what do you do? you reply with "WTF crawled up your azz?" great rhetoric by the way, i really enjoy how you stayed with the original idea of a debate/sensible discussion. oh wait...

    but honestly that last post of yours is obnoxious. how old are you when your response to everyone who posts anything other than 'usa is the best country ever'(in so many words) is to call them 'shallow headed fukers' who 'drive you insane with their stupidity' ? the caliber of hypocrisy with which you formulate your posts is astounding. if you wanted an argument on obama's policies, you should have summarized the post and made it more concise. the way you put it up in it's original form almost begged people to digress from the main point, which isn't all that clear anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disrupt
    while we're on the subject of 'reading it', take your own advice. nowhere in your first two posts did you say you got it from another board, you just said you 'posted it up'

    then you claim you want a debate, yet when i argue against one of the points in the post, what do you do? you reply with "WTF crawled up your azz?" great rhetoric by the way, i really enjoy how you stayed with the original idea of a debate/sensible discussion. oh wait...

    but honestly that last post of yours is obnoxious. how old are you when your response to everyone who posts anything other than 'usa is the best country ever'(in so many words) is to call them 'shallow headed fukers' who 'drive you insane with their stupidity' ? the caliber of hypocrisy with which you formulate your posts is astounding. if you wanted an argument on obama's policies, you should have summarized the post and made it more concise. the way you put it up in it's original form almost begged people to digress from the main point, which isn't all that clear anyway.
    I never said that "I" wanted a debate! You really have a reading comprehension issue.

    I also never argued with anyone that had anything to say opinion wise about the post or which country was the best but I merely re-posted repeatedly that I thought it would be a good topic for a debate and your still not getting it. I never argued anything about the topics of the post. Are you blind or just making this up as you go?

    Obnoxious is someone continually not comprehending WTF someone has posted and keeps arguing anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    I agree with the war somewhat and I know something needed to be done but like stated above, we have enough problems over here that need to be fixed.

    Just like the starving children commercials you see on TV. Now I am no tight wod and donate probably well over 10k a year to charities but not a penny of it goes over seas.

    As far as dis-arming America... Well it would take probably longer than I am going to live to accomplish that so I don't see any major threats there.

    I do support our troops and love my firearms but that is not why I posted this. I just put it up simply for a discussion and debate. Thought it may be good material for a good one.
    Here is my 2nd post where I debated it myself and said that I didn't agree 100% with it. WTF are you trying to pull anyway? Need attention that your not getting at home or something? Are you speed reading or just picking between the lines to impress someone?

    C'mon give it a break already. Your big words and fancy sentences aren't doing anything for me at all. I already stated my opinion on it and your still arguing with the original post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    I never said that "I" wanted a debate! You really have a reading comprehension issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    I just put it up simply for a discussion and debate
    i'm sorry, what?

    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    I also never argued with anyone that had anything to say opinion wise about the post or which country was the best but I merely re-posted repeatedly that I thought it would be a good topic for a debate and your still not getting it. I never argued anything about the topics of the post. Are you blind or just making this up as you go?
    did i not previously quote you calling me an ignorant whiner with something up his ass(sorry, 'azz')? tell me, was your idiocy a process or just an initial overabundance of chromosomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    Obnoxious is someone continually not comprehending WTF someone has posted and keeps arguing anyway.
    like you're doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    Here is my 2nd post where I debated it myself and said that I didn't agree 100% with it. WTF are you trying to pull anyway?

    so it's ok when you disagree, but god forbid 12lber or myself do it, you know, because we drive you insane with our stupidity.

    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    Need attention that your not getting at home or
    something? Are you speed reading or just picking between the lines to impress someone?
    i troll around on the internet and now my family neglects me! YOUR POWERS OF DEDUCTION ARE FRIGHTENING! you are also very clever and mature.

    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    C'mon give it a break already. Your big words and fancy sentences aren't doing anything for me at all. I already stated my opinion on it and your still arguing with the original post.
    only my first post argued the OP. my second one was dedicated to pointing out how much of a hypocritical moron you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUGMAN
    We live in THE best country in the world
    Your patriotism is cute and everything, but lots of Western European nations/ Scandinavian nations enjoy higher standards of living, more equal distribution of wealth and greater personal freedoms etc than we do here in the United States.

    Also, holy text wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    Your patriotism is cute and everything, but lots of Western European nations/ Scandinavian nations enjoy higher standards of living, more equal distribution of wealth and greater personal freedoms etc than we do here in the United States.

    Also, holy text wall.
    How exactly is this achieved?

    BTW, which "nations" are these you speak of and what ruler are you using to measure them with? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    How exactly is this achieved?

    BTW, which "nations" are these you speak of and what ruler are you using to measure them with? Just curious.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_income
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_..._United_States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_index

    "As of 2006, the United States had one of the highest levels of income inequality, as measured through the Gini index, among high income countries, comparable to that of some middle income countries such as Russia or Turkey,[15] being one of only few developed countries where inequality has increased since 1980"

    As for the whole "standard of living" thing, there are a variety of indices, the United States isn't first in any of them. In terms of countries who are consistently ahead of us, you're looking at places like Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, etc.

    The best one is probably the Economist Intelligence Unit's Quality of Life index - for 2005 we were 13th.

    http://www.shannonireland.com/media/Media,2966,en.pdf

    Also, its achieved when a government is of the people, by the people and for the people, acting in the best interest of said people.

    Not constantly acting in the best interests of itself as a whole, its members as individuals and the interests of corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_income
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_..._United_States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_index

    "As of 2006, the United States had one of the highest levels of income inequality, as measured through the Gini index, among high income countries, comparable to that of some middle income countries such as Russia or Turkey,[15] being one of only few developed countries where inequality has increased since 1980"

    As for the whole "standard of living" thing, there are a variety of indices, the United States isn't first in any of them. In terms of countries who are consistently ahead of us, you're looking at places like Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, etc.

    The best one is probably the Economist Intelligence Unit's Quality of Life index - for 2005 we were 13th.

    http://www.shannonireland.com/media/Media,2966,en.pdf

    Also, its achieved when a government is of the people, by the people and for the people, acting in the best interest of said people.

    Not constantly acting in the best interests of itself as a whole, its members as individuals and the interests of corporations.
    2 things:

    -The whole "distribution of wealth" idea is ambiguos and based on whomever devices the formula. For example, in the chart you provided it shows that the U.S. although only 5% of the total world population has over 25% of the world's "wealth", which could be seen as some kind of great divide. But if you look at China, with over 50% of the entire world's population and it too having over 25% of the world's wealth.....what's that mean really?

    - Distribution of wealth is a Socialist idea, hence why it's so much more prevelent in Europe. It assumes equality of wealth as some sort of checks and balances device directed towards keeping the GOV'T in check. The idea, much like Communism, backfires because when you try and stiffle an individual's or corp's ability to advance, i.e. make more money, then you repress and ultimately irritate one very basic human principle....the principle that we always naturally strive to be better tomm than we are today. Why do you think that sometimes when you look at some of the most politically repressed countries they seem to be stuck in some kind of time warp where they never seem to advance with the rest of the world? Because the oppressive gov't basically kills the drive of it's citizens by basically capping their advancement in life.

    Anyway, my

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