What to eat and what NOT to eat while "training"/"working out"

[ShooterMcGavin]

Not ENTIRELY true..creatine helps with endurance more than strength. It depends on the creatine you take that will do that, because a lot of creatines are mixed with a million different other suppliments which give you a serious strength boost. I understand where you are coming from, because I have been there but if you find the right stuff, cycle on one month and off one month, you won't lose strength, your body won't "need" it, and you size will stay the same even when you stop taking it at some point because you have trained your body hard enough. You don't lose size/strength when you get off, its mostly in your head believe it or not. Creatine is produced naturally in your body already, and adding more creatine gives you a "swoll" look as well as endurance to lift more! Which in turn makes you stronger IN TIME.

So while you make get tired faster when you stop taking the stuff, you'll just have to adjust your workout to it...But your strength hasn't changed.

first off, creatine does not in any way build endurance, creatine supplements your bodies ability to fuel your anaerobic muscles, the "fast" muscles if you will that requires no oxygen at the time of use, but only afterwards (think, help you sprint vs help you marathon).

second, it's proven you will lose strength and certain size (anywhere from 2-7lbs) just from the water weight that was retained in your muscles.

[Reaper]

first off, creatine does not in any way build endurance, creatine supplements your bodies ability to fuel your anaerobic muscles, the "fast" muscles if you will that requires no oxygen at the time of use, but only afterwards (think, help you sprint vs help you marathon).

second, it's proven you will lose strength and certain size (anywhere from 2-7lbs) just from the water weight that was retained in your muscles.

Sorry I didn't specify. CREATINE Esthyr(spll?) is not a monohydrate which HOLDS WATER WEIGHT which is exactly what you are talking about. I take a creatine via pill NOT power b/c I hold water badly. and if its "proven" then explain to me how my bench went up 15lbs the following off month? I was @ 250lbs when on creatine, and hit 265lbs when I wasn't taking anything at all....you don't lose strength..the ****s in ur head



And as far as the comment on "you can gain muscle adn lose weight at the same time" is a load of ****.Your knowledgable to an extent, but dude you've got a lot to learn. Burning and building really depends on what your working. If I wanna get to 3% body fat and rip then I diet, and work my abs and do sprints(not long distance b/c that actually burns muscle instead of fat) and I build else where...Where ever you heard you can't bulk and rip at the same time..is a load of sh*t..

Now if your saying that your not going to lose weight while building muscle I'll take that. But you can still shred body fat. In turn looking leaner/stronger/healthier. Which is most peoples goal. I mean honestly, who the hell wants to just be skinny with no muscle on them? Very few people. When people say "I wanna lose weight" thats translated into "I wanna lose body fat" or "I wanna be lean" etc. It's all about eating healthy, training hard and resting in between. Getting lean doesn't necessarily mean "lose weight". I have a client right now that came to me(he's 17 years old and 225lbs @ 6 foot 1 inchess tall, and 16% body fat) He said " I wanna be ripped but still have muscle. In 1 months time he's lost 8lbs(I've got him till the end of july) and he is toning up big time. He's on the same diet I have posted above and works with me only 3 days a week. His goal is to cut his body fat percentage in half...He's well on his way. Different things work for different people but leaning out and bulking you CAN do at the same time, it just depends on what your working and how you work it and what you "fuel" youself with(eating, suppliments etc)

[ShooterMcGavin]

Sorry I didn't specify. CREATINE Esthyr(spll?) is not a monohydrate which HOLDS WATER WEIGHT which is exactly what you are talking about. I take a creatine via pill NOT power b/c I hold water badly. and if its "proven" then explain to me how my bench went up 15lbs the following off month? I was @ 250lbs when on creatine, and hit 265lbs when I wasn't taking anything at all....you don't lose strength..the ****s in ur head

fair enough that you're taking the pill. and when i said you go off it, i meant you're off it for good. being off for 1 month is recommended and of course you're not going to "lose" anything if you're being off as part of the plan.

And as far as the comment on "you can gain muscle adn lose weight at the same time" is a load of ****.Your knowledgable to an extent, but dude you've got a lot to learn. Burning and building really depends on what your working. If I wanna get to 3% body fat and rip then I diet, and work my abs and do sprints(not long distance b/c that actually burns muscle instead of fat) and I build else where...Where ever you heard you can't bulk and rip at the same time..is a load of sh*t..

Now if your saying that your not going to lose weight while building muscle I'll take that. But you can still shred body fat. In turn looking leaner/stronger/healthier. Which is most peoples goal. I mean honestly, who the hell wants to just be skinny with no muscle on them? Very few people. When people say "I wanna lose weight" thats translated into "I wanna lose body fat" or "I wanna be lean" etc. It's all about eating healthy, training hard and resting in between. Getting lean doesn't necessarily mean "lose weight". I have a client right now that came to me(he's 17 years old and 225lbs @ 6 foot 1 inchess tall, and 16% body fat) He said " I wanna be ripped but still have muscle. In 1 months time he's lost 8lbs(I've got him till the end of july) and he is toning up big time. He's on the same diet I have posted above and works with me only 3 days a week. His goal is to cut his body fat percentage in half...He's well on his way. Different things work for different people but leaning out and bulking you CAN do at the same time, it just depends on what your working and how you work it and what you "fuel" youself with(eating, suppliments etc)

to lose fat, what do you have to do? lots of cardio, eat a low carb/low fat/lower calorie diet, and lift. to gain muscle, little or no cardio, eat a high calorie/higher carb/higher fat/higher protein diet, and lift. do you not see how these 2 are almost exactly the opposite? the only ppl that can "do both at the same time" to any sort of efficient degree are those how have never lifted or worked out much before, and at that point, they WILL see some positive results. however, for those that have worked out or exercised, you're 100% better off losing fat to tone, then lifting to gain.

i do agree that different things can work for different ppl bc everyones body is different, but i'm speaking for the majority of the population here. the fact of the matter is, not everyone can be a ryan reynolds and have their personal trainer and afford to put in 2-3 hrs of working out every day and have all the right supplements and food.

and lastly, i can't tell if you're 18 or 28 from the way you're posting here...but being that this isn't the WL, please show a little respect and lay off the "this is bull****, that's total crap, you have a lot more to learn" type comments.

[Reaper]

fair enough that you're taking the pill. and when i said you go off it, i meant you're off it for good. being off for 1 month is recommended and of course you're not going to "lose" anything if you're being off as part of the plan.



to lose fat, what do you have to do? lots of cardio, eat a low carb/low fat/lower calorie diet, and lift. to gain muscle, little or no cardio, eat a high calorie/higher carb/higher fat/higher protein diet, and lift. do you not see how these 2 are almost exactly the opposite? the only ppl that can "do both at the same time" to any sort of efficient degree are those how have never lifted or worked out much before, and at that point, they WILL see some positive results. however, for those that have worked out or exercised, you're 100% better off losing fat to tone, then lifting to gain.

i do agree that different things can work for different ppl bc everyones body is different, but i'm speaking for the majority of the population here. the fact of the matter is, not everyone can be a ryan reynolds and have their personal trainer and afford to put in 2-3 hrs of working out every day and have all the right supplements and food.

and lastly, i can't tell if you're 18 or 28 from the way you're posting here...but being that this isn't the WL, please show a little respect and lay off the "this is bull****, that's total crap, you have a lot more to learn" type comments.

I agree with you on the fact that not many people can be ryan reynolds and that you were talking about off of it for good..So I apologize if I pissed you off. As far as this not being the whores lounge your right and I also apologize for that. I should have been more considerate of the fact that your just giving your input.

As far as the actual workout plan is concerned, I respectfully disagree when you speak of losing fat and building muscle. You can lift heavy and do a lot of cardio and eat right. Its just not something over night. And your right you will see LESS results in the beginning but with time(just like anything else) you will see bigger results. Its all a matter of diet. I know plenty of people who have gained weight and shredded fat by doing about 30 minutes of cardio and lifting heavily and eating right


The key to everything is how you eat. Yes you can do a ton of cardio and lose fat, and yes you can lift heavy and get big. But if you wanna do BOTH you have to eat properly. Nutrition is 80% of it..no joke.


I'd rep ya but Ive gotta spread some around again..

[ShooterMcGavin]

I agree with you on the fact that not many people can be ryan reynolds and that you were talking about off of it for good..So I apologize if I pissed you off. As far as this not being the whores lounge your right and I also apologize for that. I should have been more considerate of the fact that your just giving your input.

As far as the actual workout plan is concerned, I respectfully disagree when you speak of losing fat and building muscle. You can lift heavy and do a lot of cardio and eat right. Its just not something over night. And your right you will see LESS results in the beginning but with time(just like anything else) you will see bigger results. Its all a matter of diet. I know plenty of people who have gained weight and shredded fat by doing about 30 minutes of cardio and lifting heavily and eating right


The key to everything is how you eat. Yes you can do a ton of cardio and lose fat, and yes you can lift heavy and get big. But if you wanna do BOTH you have to eat properly. Nutrition is 80% of it..no joke.


I'd rep ya but Ive gotta spread some around again..

appreciate the apology even though it's not necessary as i wasn't offended, was just saying that some of your comments could've been construed in a way so that someone could get offended thereby resulting in an e-fight.

i understand that diet is way more important than just the workout aspect. w/that said, i still believe for the majority of the population, the effort involved (as in, the necessary dieting and amount of working out) in burning fat and gaining muscle at the same time is not really feasible/doable. i mean obviously it CAN be done (ryan reynolds is an example of it), but isn't necessarily something that MOST ppl can do, whether it be $ wise, time wise, discipline wise or effort wise.

[Reaper]

appreciate the apology even though it's not necessary as i wasn't offended, was just saying that some of your comments could've been construed in a way so that someone could get offended thereby resulting in an e-fight.

i understand that diet is way more important than just the workout aspect. w/that said, i still believe for the majority of the population, the effort involved (as in, the necessary dieting and amount of working out) in burning fat and gaining muscle at the same time is not really feasible/doable. i mean obviously it CAN be done (ryan reynolds is an example of it), but isn't necessarily something that MOST ppl can do, whether it be $ wise, time wise, discipline wise or effort wise.

Yeah I hear ya on how it isn't really feasible/doable for a lot of people..But you can see drastic changes in your physical health/appearance by spending an hour a couple of days a week(3-6 depending on your sched.) and eating properly(which is just a matter of dicipline).

You really dont need a trainer or have to be one to get into great condition by building muscle and burning fat @ the same time. Its just a matter of research and will power..And if you can fit it into your daily routine. I mean I have granted I am in real estate and a trainer. But before I became I trainer I was already in decent shape and was MAKING time for things ontop of working 60 hrs a week.

But I definitely understand where you are coming from with everything

[ShooterMcGavin]

Yeah I hear ya on how it isn't really feasible/doable for a lot of people..But you can see drastic changes in your physical health/appearance by spending an hour a couple of days a week(3-6 depending on your sched.) and eating properly(which is just a matter of dicipline).

You really dont need a trainer or have to be one to get into great condition by building muscle and burning fat @ the same time. Its just a matter of research and will power..And if you can fit it into your daily routine. I mean I have granted I am in real estate and a trainer. But before I became I trainer I was already in decent shape and was MAKING time for things ontop of working 60 hrs a week.

But I definitely understand where you are coming from with everything

absolutely agree on the bolded points. i mean i guess that's why ppl get trainers, bc they don't want to/can't do the research on their own and might not necessarily have the willpower and discipline to stick to something like this one their own. i'm not going to lie, i've been on my plan for about 2 months now and the sh1t isn't easy, there are always days you want to cheat or might not want to work out.