The way Jesus died on the cross...

[4dmin]

I haven't "googled" but one thing in this entire discussion and it was about the English translation of the Bible.

I looked up some of the information in the ENCYCLOPEDIA to verify what I had suspected or wasn't 100% clear about. Again, you want to re-invent the wheel but you haven't said but one place where you're getting your info from.....a documentary on TV . We all KNOW that TV is the most accurate form of research.

Do a little research yourself and you'll see that what I'm saying is far more accurate than your documentary on TV.

Greek slaves were far more educated than commoners in the early Roman Empire. They had to know how to read and write as part of their duties because they not only served their masters in the normal way, but they often served as basically a secretary to them as well. Remember, they were the ones that transcribed books and took down info for their masters since most Romans felt that their life stories were part of history to be passed down.

actually i have 4 years of latin/roman history ; not just a documentary i saw on tv, so if you would to discuss more roman history i can dig out a box of books/papers i have and we can go over them

do you even know what period of time christianity was even being seen as a religion by the roman empire, or even what emperor made christianity what it is today??? christians weren't even taking part in roman life anyway; (why do you think they were being put to death by the romans) so they weren't learning to read by greeks b/c there were too busy trying to build their own religion and churches. christians thought the romans were dumb b/c they admired the gods; christians at the time thought they were something better b/c they were made in GODs image.

[Jaimecbr900]

do you even know what period of time christianity was even being seen as a religion by the roman empire, or even what emperor made christianity what it is today???

Constantine did beginning in the 4th century. That simply goes even further to prove what I've been saying all along. Most info I've looked up during this discussion points directly at the 4th century as the turning point in which Christianity flourished, was finally thought of as a "religion", and the first signs of a Bible as we know it today started happening. It would obviously make sense that it would all happen around the time which Constantine was Emperor since previously Christians were persecuted by other Emperors.

christians weren't even taking part in roman life anyway; (why do you think they were being put to death by the romans) so they weren't learning to read by greeks b/c there were too busy trying to build their own religion and churches. christians thought the romans were dumb b/c they admired the gods; christians at the time thought they were something better b/c they were made in GODs image.

Again, that may very well be so for the beginning part of the Roman Empire. By the end of the Roman Empire, the Christian "church" had quite a bit more power than it did in the beggining of the Empire. Again, mostly due to Constantine and the fact that many high power people had converted to Christianity during Constantine's rule.


We have really gotten off on a tangent here though.

I think we have proven that there are quite a few things that are historically accurate about the Bible. I understand that you have a secular point of view and as such are trying to logically figure out things that are impossible to understand with logic because by definition you have to have FAITH before you believe.

The bottom line is that noone will ever be able to convince a true believer by using logic because a true believer's FAITH far outweighs simple logic. Some things "are" just because you FEEL they "are". Just like any other "feeling" any human feels....it's very difficult to express in words to someone who's never felt it themselves because their mind has a hard time grasping something that's not within themselves already.

[4dmin]

Constantine did beginning in the 4th century. That simply goes even further to prove what I've been saying all along. Most info I've looked up during this discussion points directly at the 4th century as the turning point in which Christianity flourished, was finally thought of as a "religion", and the first signs of a Bible as we know it today started happening. It would obviously make sense that it would all happen around the time which Constantine was Emperor since previously Christians were persecuted by other Emperors.




Again, that may very well be so for the beginning part of the Roman Empire. By the end of the Roman Empire, the Christian "church" had quite a bit more power than it did in the beggining of the Empire. Again, mostly due to Constantine and the fact that many high power people had converted to Christianity during Constantine's rule.


We have really gotten off on a tangent here though.

I think we have proven that there are quite a few things that are historically accurate about the Bible. I understand that you have a secular point of view and as such are trying to logically figure out things that are impossible to understand with logic because by definition you have to have FAITH before you believe.

The bottom line is that noone will ever be able to convince a true believer by using logic because a true believer's FAITH far outweighs simple logic. Some things "are" just because you FEEL they "are". Just like any other "feeling" any human feels....it's very difficult to express in words to someone who's never felt it themselves because their mind has a hard time grasping something that's not within themselves already.

it was constantine; going from the late 3rd century into the 4th century was when christains were actually becoming a religion, but this is a great topic going along w/ the statement i made earlier about "how you read/know what the church wants you to know". during constantines rule is when the cross became the symbol for christians and he also made other christian groups (nastic(sp?)christians) conform to his ideas of christianity.

just so you know i'm not trying to convince you of anything, i know you well educated, but some things you may want to read more on... specially as far as education for common romans goes.

either way this religion forum is my new favorite

[Jaimecbr900]

either way this religion forum is my new favorite

That's because you like arguing with me.......

[4dmin]

That's because you like arguing with me.......

arguing makes you feel alive... better to have something to stand on then nothing at all