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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    the same goes for history books, they can accurately depict life +/-1000s year ago and it as been proven, but Adam/Eve, Noah, Jesus being crucified, etc; sorry but there is no proof.
    There is proof, just not proof YOU believe in. It's called the BIBLE. It's a book just like any other history book. Why do you choose to believe something written on those pages and not the bible??? The Bible actually has been around since it was written as it is first hand accounts of things that happened. A "history book" on the other hand is NOT a FIRST hand account of anything. It is mostly based on either materials, ideas, or thesis that the author came up with. Why not question those books??? Seems to me that they have far more questionable info in them since there is no tangible evidence of what Christopher Columbus was "thinking" or what Napoleon "ate" one morning yet we all KNOW they both existed, right? Then why is it sooooo far fetched that Jesus existed then????

    Religion by definition is something you BELIEVE and have FAITH exists. If you have neither, then it's easy to see how you can try and pick apart everything it stands for. Why not pick apart how no human has ever "made" another human with their bare hands? Why not pick apart how we can create computers, but can't create a flower? Why not question how even WE don't have a clue how the brain works? What "proof" is there for the "big bang theory"? Every shred of "proof" that one scientist comes up with, another has a logical reason why it's NOT. Just like this debate. Everything one person firmly believes in, another comes in with another take on.

    It is really not that hard to understand FAITH and beliefs. You either have it or you don't. It's like a 5 yr old that doesn't quite grasp their parents real life scientific explaination of what "air" is and does. They'll never "get it" until they realize simply that mom and dad were right. Air does exist and later on in life they totally understood the why's and how's. FAITH is the same way. Some people "get it", while others don't. Some people are more eloquent and are scholars of the Bible and can probably shoot down everyone of your rebuttals. I am not that smart. I do however have FAITH. Until the time that you DO have faith, it will never make sense to you LOGICALLY. LOGIC is nowhere in the definition of FAITH.



    they have records dating back to BC on crucifixions but nothing in any roman history talks of Jesus, what do you say to that?
    Lots of things could be said. One is that I'm positive quite a few things are missing out of these so called "accurate" Roman records for one. For two, where are these Roman records you speak of? You getting the info out of a history book? Is that the Roman records you are talking about? Because if first hand accounts aren't accurate in your eyes, then what are words on a page written a few years ago about an event 2500 yrs ago considered?????

    Again, it all boils down to what YOU believe. Do you have to blow a smoke cloud into the air to believe air exists??? You can't see it otherwise, but you KNOW it's there. Same thing with your FAITH. You may not be able to show someone a fossilized bone from Jesus' leg, but you certainly can talk to them about him. They can choose to believe or not believe. Same as when your parents explained to you intangible things. Some of those things you chose NOT to believe too, only to later find out you were wrong. Unfortunately, the cost of believing in Jesus or not is considerably higher than not believing your parents about "air".



    I just find it funny how christians find it so easy to question others beliefs then to prove their own
    The lack of belief in GOD is called aethiesm. Aethiests by definition DON'T believe in a higher power, so therefore there are NO beliefs to question because they have no beliefs at all.

    But to answer your question directly: Christians don't NEED "proof" of their own beliefs. They simply have FAITH and believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    Again, it all boils down to what YOU believe. Do you have to blow a smoke cloud into the air to believe air exists??? You can't see it otherwise, but you KNOW it's there. Same thing with your FAITH. You may not be able to show someone a fossilized bone from Jesus' leg, but you certainly can talk to them about him. They can choose to believe or not believe. Same as when your parents explained to you intangible things. Some of those things you chose NOT to believe too, only to later find out you were wrong. Unfortunately, the cost of believing in Jesus or not is considerably higher than not believing your parents about "air".
    Exactly!!!!! again i'm not basing my beliefs on stories and what other people have told me... i've been through it.. i've seen things happen in my life that only one person could have done! GOD!!!!! I went through a stage of trying to not believe and couldn't everything kept pointing to Jesus, i didn't go to a service for months... and the next time i did it was like i told the preacher my experiences and he was preaching about them... when i hadn't told a single soul... that's how i know HE is real!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    Exactly!!!!! again i'm not basing my beliefs on stories and what other people have told me... i've been through it.. i've seen things happen in my life that only one person could have done! GOD!!!!! I went through a stage of trying to not believe and couldn't everything kept pointing to Jesus, i didn't go to a service for months... and the next time i did it was like i told the preacher my experiences and he was preaching about them... when i hadn't told a single soul... that's how i know HE is real!
    seriously man, the easiest thing in the world is to relate gospel to real life. but you guys are getting off topic we are talking about Jesus on the cross and the validity of these events in the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    There is proof, just not proof YOU believe in. It's called the BIBLE. It's a book just like any other history book. Why do you choose to believe something written on those pages and not the bible??? The Bible actually has been around since it was written as it is first hand accounts of things that happened. A "history book" on the other hand is NOT a FIRST hand account of anything. It is mostly based on either materials, ideas, or thesis that the author came up with. Why not question those books??? Seems to me that they have far more questionable info in them since there is no tangible evidence of what Christopher Columbus was "thinking" or what Napoleon "ate" one morning yet we all KNOW they both existed, right? Then why is it sooooo far fetched that Jesus existed then????

    how many times had the bible been translated?????? so it is not truly a first hand account of anything.... when something is translated from one language to another it is extreamly possibale that is is misinterperated(sp) or looses osme of its meening....like they have word for things that we dont have word for so we use the closest word we have to make it simmilar..but in turn in years to come people willl not understand that each word is not what it once may have been

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