Obama to tear apart the country

[BanginJimmy]

I'm pretty sure that between Gulf War #2 and Gulf War #3 (Yes, there were three) approximately 0 Americans died at the hands of Iraqis. Shockingly enough, the same thing goes for Iran. Since the war began over 3,000 Americans have died there "defending freedom". We and our troops, who shockingly enough are Americans too, are safer here.

Iraq was about oil, empire and valuable defense/munitions contracts and it always was.

Accept it and move on.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ol-840512.html

there have been far more than 3 gulf wars. I can think of 3 involving only Israel.

If this all about oil then why arent we seeing the benefits of it? Let me guess, its because Bush is keeping it all to himself and will only use the oil he has stached away when he is out of office.

[The12lber]

there have been far more than 3 gulf wars. I can think of 3 involving only Israel.


Um, are you kidding me? Israel isn't bordering the Persian Gulf. Israel borders the Meditteranean. Iraq does, that's why in 1991 they called it the "Gulf War". That's why they called the Iran Iraq war of the 80's the "First Gulf War". Iran Iraq war, what is commonly called the Gulf War and the Iraq War = 3 Gulf Wars.

Work harder on your geography.

If this all about oil then why arent we seeing the benefits of it? Let me guess, its because Bush is keeping it all to himself and will only use the oil he has stached away when he is out of office.
Because Iraq doesn't export enough to offset the effect of tremendous increases in demand in addition to the increased cost of buying foreign petroleum with the weaker American dollar.

Oil is the only reason we involve ourselves in the Middle East, if you think otherwise you're a moron.

[BanginJimmy]

Oil is the only reason we involve ourselves in the Middle East, if you think otherwise you're a moron.

You are correct, but not in the way you are implying. It is in the US's best intrest to make sure those wells keep pumping and that crude continues to land on US shores. Just like Japan during WWII. Just like when Germany invaded Russia. The US MUST do what needs to be done to keep the oil flowing.

Personally I think we should leave the mid east all together and start drilling closer to home, too bad the dems wont let that happen.

[The12lber]

You are correct, but not in the way you are implying. It is in the US's best intrest to make sure those wells keep pumping and that crude continues to land on US shores.

Um, that's exactly what I was implying. And we'll do any morally objectionable things we have to do in order to accomplish that. Supporting totalitarian governments, invading and occupying foreign nations, overthrowing democratic governments to be replaced with U.S. puppets, etc.

[BanginJimmy]

Um, that's exactly what I was implying. And we'll do any morally objectionable things we have to do in order to accomplish that. Supporting totalitarian governments, invading and occupying foreign nations, overthrowing democratic governments to be replaced with U.S. puppets, etc.

I agree with most of what you said, and I basicly agree with it. Face it, oil is the lifeblood of our country, and anyone that put that supply in jepordy is threatening our national security.

The bolded part is funny though as I dont remember the US ever removing a democratic govt and placing a puppet govt there.

[tony]

The bolded part is funny though as I dont remember the US ever removing a democratic govt and placing a puppet govt there.

From Wiki:

Ahmed Abdel Hadi Chalabi was interim oil minister in Iraq in April-May 2005 and December-January 2006 and deputy prime minister from May 2005 until May 2006. Chalabi failed to win a seat in parliament in the December 2005 elections, and when the new Iraqi cabinet was announced in May 2006, he was not awarded a post. Once dubbed the "George Washington of Iraq" by American neoconservatives, he has fallen out of favor and is currently under investigation by several U.S. government sources. He is also wanted for embezzling nearly $300 million through a bank he created in Jordan.

[BanginJimmy]

From Wiki:

Ahmed Abdel Hadi Chalabi was interim oil minister in Iraq in April-May 2005 and December-January 2006 and deputy prime minister from May 2005 until May 2006. Chalabi failed to win a seat in parliament in the December 2005 elections, and when the new Iraqi cabinet was announced in May 2006, he was not awarded a post. Once dubbed the "George Washington of Iraq" by American neoconservatives, he has fallen out of favor and is currently under investigation by several U.S. government sources. He is also wanted for embezzling nearly $300 million through a bank he created in Jordan.

that sounds to me like the US is allowing Iraqi's to freely elect their own leaders.

[The12lber]

I agree with most of what you said, and I basicly agree with it. Face it, oil is the lifeblood of our country, and anyone that put that supply in jepordy is threatening our national security.

The bolded part is funny though as I dont remember the US ever removing a democratic govt and placing a puppet govt there.

That's probably because you don't know anything about history, which is quite shocking considering that you knew the relatively obscure fact that Israel secretely borders the Persian Gulf. Iran's democratically elected Government was replaced by the United States with the Shah. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan all have oppressive governments supported by our own. If you don't believe me, you should take a look at the hardware their armed forces are sporting.