do you think that if we took 14% of that $5billion, that that would be a ballpark figure of how much is spent on keeping wiid violaters in jail?Originally Posted by R3RUN
do you think that if we took 14% of that $5billion, that that would be a ballpark figure of how much is spent on keeping wiid violaters in jail?
For state prisons yes. That would be pretty accurate. Thats just to keep them there, too. Food, utilities, **** like that, not prosecute and stuff.
Thats alot of money gone to waste
yeah, A LOT of money. $790,847,400 would look pretty in my bank account....damnit...
That would look amazing in mine : ] !! I'm broke : /
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
yeah, Ive got a little cash in mine, but its just pocket change compared to 8 hundred million
Of course ahahaha ...
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
mmm id rather buy an 8million dollar field of mj dreams and have a huge party hmmm oh yeaa
Jimmy Carter said the following in a message to congress in 1977: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to the individual than the use of the drug itself"...
Marijuana is illegal because of the hysteria and exaggerated propaganda of the 30's. The movement to outlaw marijuana was also backed by members of the alcohol prohibition establishment who were now out of work. Over the past 70 years there has been a campaign of disinformation and billions of tax dollars have been spent to billions $ spent to "trash" marijuana and it's users which is the reason for such a misinformed populous. Harry Anslinger was the most significant proponent for making marijuana illegal. He wanted to create an agency (Bureau of Narcotics) that could define both the problem and the solution. He enlisted the help of William Randolph Hearst, in an act of yellow journalism, to publish ridiculous tales about marijuana. Here are some of his more famous published quotes:
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
William Randolph Hearst did this because he hated mexicans. Mexicans who came into the country smoke a lot of weed. A texas senator was quoted saying "All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff is what makes them crazy." William Randolph Hearst was also heavily invested in the timber for the production of his newspaper and didn't want hemp to be competition. He had also lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa (a mexican revolutionary general). Here are some quotes from some of Hearst's papers:
Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days -- Hashish goads users to bloodlust."
"By the tons it is coming into this country -- the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms.... Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him....""Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug."With the backing of Dupont Chemical company (patented nylon and wanted hemp removed from competition) they brought a plan before congress complete with a scrapbook full of Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs. Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association showed for the hearings. Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger's view. He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people's minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren't even aware of it. Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee.
"Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim's life in Los Angeles?... THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES -- that is a matter of cold record."
Here is what was said by woodward to the committee:"That there is a certain amount of narcotic addiction of an objectionable character no one will deny. The newspapers have called attention to it so prominently that there must be some grounds for [their] statements [even Woodward was partially taken in by Hearst's propaganda]. It has surprised me, however, that the facts on which these statements have been based have not been brought before this committee by competent primary evidence. We are referred to newspaper publications concerning the prevalence of marihuana addiction. We are told that the use of marihuana causes crime.Committee members then proceeded to attack Dr. Woodward, questioning his motives in opposing the legislation. Even the Chairman joined in:
But yet no one has been produced from the Bureau of Prisons to show the number of prisoners who have been found addicted to the marihuana habit. An informed inquiry shows that the Bureau of Prisons has no evidence on that point.
You have been told that school children are great users of marihuana cigarettes. No one has been summoned from the Children's Bureau to show the nature and extent of the habit, among children.
Inquiry of the Children's Bureau shows that they have had no occasion to investigate it and know nothing particularly of it.
Inquiry of the Office of Education--- and they certainly should know something of the prevalence of the habit among the school children of the country, if there is a prevalent habit--- indicates that they have had no occasion to investigate and know nothing of it.
Moreover, there is in the Treasury Department itself, the Public Health Service, with its Division of Mental Hygiene. The Division of Mental Hygiene was, in the first place, the Division of Narcotics. It was converted into the Division of Mental Hygiene, I think, about 1930. That particular Bureau has control at the present time of the narcotics farms that were created about 1929 or 1930 and came into operation a few years later. No one has been summoned from that Bureau to give evidence on that point.
Informal inquiry by me indicates that they have had no record of any marihuana of Cannabis addicts who have ever been committed to those farms.
The bureau of Public Health Service has also a division of pharmacology. If you desire evidence as to the pharmacology of Cannabis, that obviously is the place where you can get direct and primary evidence, rather than the indirect hearsay evidence."The Chairman: If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals, rather than criticism, rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the Federal Government is trying to do. It has not only an unselfish motive in this, but they have a serious responsibility.After some further bantering...
Dr. Woodward: We cannot understand yet, Mr. Chairman, why this bill should have been prepared in secret for 2 years without any intimation, even, to the profession, that it was being prepared.The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington Times:And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.That is a pretty severe indictment. They say it is a national question and that it requires effective legislation. Of course, in a general way, you have responded to all of these statements; but that indicates very clearly that it is an evil of such magnitude that it is recognized by the press of the country as such.
The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.
The result is tragic.
School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.
High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.
This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.
The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.
The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:Member from upstate New York: "Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?"And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.
Speaker Rayburn: "I don't know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it's a narcotic of some kind."
"Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?"
Member on the committee jumps up and says: "Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent."
The entire coverage in the New York Times: "President Roosevelt signed today a bill to curb traffic in the narcotic, marihuana, through heavy taxes on transactions."
Really long post, I know. It's really interesting though. I paraphrased it so you all wouldn't have to do too much reading. I just copied and pasted the last bit. So there's your answer OP.
Last edited by Staggered6; 03-06-2008 at 05:56 PM.
reps +1 u did wat i was too lazy to do haha
That bud gettin to ya hahaha Jk
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
Because industrial hemp was competing with DuPont's artificial fabrics and therefore a threat to their bottom line, so DuPont played their cards and got the cultivation of industrial hemp outlawed by associating it with the supposed evils of cannabis consumption.Why is marijuana illegal for recreational use? Give me a reason that does not contradict why Alcohol is legal. I dont smoke pot, but i have. i just can't figure out the laws.
Obviously not too much, thats one hell of a post.
because the government wants you to buy there drugs!
Hella stock member!
HERE IS THE ANSWER..NOT JOKING THIS IS WHY POT IS ILLEGAL.....
BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL LOSE MONEY IF IT WERE LEGALIZED SPECIFICALLY HUNDREDS OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THAT HAVE LARGE AMOUNT OF STOCK IN THE TEXTILES,FOOD, AND MEDICINE INDUSTRY'S.
SAD FACT AIN'T IT.
Last edited by thecrazyone; 03-06-2008 at 07:20 PM.
Yeah it was
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
I was selling a lot more than weed back in the day. $120-200 1/4's and I'm not even gonna tell you the cost of a brick. Not proud of it now, but it paid the bills at the time. That was a long time ago and one of the many stupid things I did in my lifetime. I wasted money, lost friends, and most importantly lost pointless time in my life trying to make a buck the illegal way instead of earning it the hard way. All those road trips, late night phone calls, and money burned away. I could buy another vehicle for cash with the money I spent on drugs and pay for half of my house for the amount of money I spent trying to sell stuff.
It wouldn't cost that much if the Government allowed the tobacco company's to start selling weed. It would be more than cigarettes obviously, but in order to actually sell it for the lazy people that didn't want to grow it themselves, it would need to be somewhat inexpensive.
Damn .
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
well i can see how weed is a gateway drug.
when i was younger, i said i would never smoke, drink, pop pills, snort, and shoot things up.
i first started to drink.. you have a good time and ****... but it's nothing compared to when i first took a hit from a blunt. i smoked heavily for my first few months. after a few months, it was wasn't enough. i started popping pills. and i still would not snort or shoot things up.
after smoking for two years, weed is blahhhhh now. i refuse to smoke weed. if i take a hit, i feel like doing nothing. i would eat or just take a nap. and i get pounding headaches sometimes if it's mid. so when i smoked before new year's, it was always something like grandaddy purp, homegrown, kush, popcorn, and etc.
so to smoke weed, i would take an amphetamine (sorry can't spell) like adderal and i got very addicted to caffeine. just to smoke weed.
so i decided to stop. but you can see how it can be a gateway drug.
any one ever tried taxed weed? iirc Salvia is what its called. tastes like rotten milk
You must have sucked.
Bahahah ouchtown . How did you get the katakana to show under your display name ?
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
wow can't believe this **** is still going on.....its ****ing weed its not a gateway drug. Does the weed tell you to go snort cocaine or shoot up no! and prescription drugs are the most abused drugs in America and combined with alcohol they are 10x more deadly than weed could ever be. This thread ****ing dumb, i am going to tell myself to gtfo because people just don't know unless they have done it.
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i think weed should be legal... i just won't do it. i know many people who have a good life. After a long day at work, they won't to smoke a couple of joints or blunts. It just calms them down.
I'm not saying weed tells you to snort cocaine or shoot anything. i'm just saying the feeling weed gave me, made me eventually want to pop pills. i've never shooted anything up and don't plan on it.
but i know many people who started with weed and are now taking everything known just to get ****ed up.
im sorry but that honestly does not consitute it being considered a gateway drug. People can smoke weed fine with out ever having to do harder things to get by and feel a buz. Like i said in a post earlier, it depends on who you are around that makes you do harder things that you do. Its all about peer pressure, peer pressure is the gateway drug. it all depends on what you are around. if there are people that you are around all the time that start doing harder things your goin to start doing harder things as well just so you wont feel left out. Pot is not a gateway drug.
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i didn't say it WAS a gateway drug.
i said i can see how it CAN BE a gateway drug.
get it right.
i dont know if this has been said but the government cant tax something thats so easy to make your self.
it still CANT BE.....what you do is all in who you hangout with and what rubs off on you and what you want to do
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TROOF!
Hes got a point .
I've been smoking almost 3 years and it hasn't affected me at all or wanted to do other drugs besides mushrooms ... Idk pyschedellics are awsome but thats besides the point ... I'm still functioning fine making good grades etc .. Like blacknightteg said its all about peer pressure really ... and the people who hangout around it tends to rub off unless your stronger and better than that and know when to stop or what to do or not to do its all in responsible good judgment i guess .
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
I didn't know weed was illegal...
hahahahahhaI didn't know weed was illegal...
"Nature is fucking hardcore"
as stated before...TROOF!
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You said "i first started to drink.. you have a good time and shiit... but it's nothing compared to when i first took a hit from a blunt." There for, you are contradicting yourself. Alcohol was your gateway drug...
Yes, Ive tryed that shiit. Some of my friends were like, "have you ever smoked salvia"? Im like "naw, wtf is that"? They are all like, "OMG, you gotta try it". I say fuk it and my buddy packs a bowl for me and I hit that shiit hard as shiit with a propane lighter......never again man. That shiit was sooo fukin crazy. Its like peaking on acid for 3min. I hate acid. I had an out of body experience and saw myself sitting on the couch with 2 of my friends. I will never ever ever do acid again because of that, and salvia is too fuked up for me.
Its just weird. I had never heard of salvia untill I tryed it, and now when I ask someone if they know what it is, they are like "yeah, and I'll never do it again". I wish they were around before I tryed it...FUK THAT SHIIT!
The worst part about it is that shiit is legal and you know that at some point someone has hit that shiit while they were driving down the road. There is no way you could control a car after hitting that shiit the way I did.
ugh...never again...
Last edited by DieselNuts; 03-06-2008 at 11:24 PM.
**** that man. I was smoking for a long as time. Like since the 8th grade. Its not addicting. Thats always a funny one to hear from people. I have quit many times and had no problem saying no to it during the period I had been clean.
And in my opinion I think the grinchy would be alot better off legalized. Many more jobs availible to people. I mean think about it...who else is better at growing good **** other than drug dealers. Many drug dealers could get jobs and the streets would be better off.
And whoever said that people who smoke pot are stupid can GTFO. I am more intelligent than most people. You really can say anything if you have never tried it.
And as far as driving goes. You drive better because you are more concenrated. And I am no scientist or anything. And that is coming from personal experiences.
Also...to end on a final note.
Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0
That would be the annuel amount of deaths in the US and their causes. My point...marijuana has never been the cause of any deaths in the US. More from ciggerettes and alcohol. And as far as ciggerettes and grinchy go...you cant get cancer from grinchy.
my sister transfered to cocaine and crystal meth from weed, but my family and her friends got her help.
anyway, DRUGS ARE FOR THE WEAK
lol at the kids smoking pot since age 15 (keitakse), you must be some cool dude.
i do not smoke regularly but i see no problem with it.
i do see cocaine and meth being illegal. they should stay that way.
The only reason i see marijuana being illegal is the fact that they have no real way of taxing it. If the US had their own weed crops across the nation, i say they could easily fix the economy with the money they'll make.
Either that or ban ALCOHOL!!! MAKE IT FAIR, BIATCHES!!!! AHAAAAA
[QUOTE=PsychoSquirl]my sister transfered to cocaine and crystal meth from weed, but my family and her friends got her help.
anyway, DRUGS ARE FOR THE WEAK
lol at the kids smoking pot since age 15 (keitakse), you must be some cool dude.[/QUOT
I smoke weed, as a matter of fact i am about to blaze one up,but never in my life did i feel like i had to rob to smoke a blunt and if i did not have weed it was not a big deal. Weak people are just weak, with or without drugs they will be weak
I agree that pot should be legal for the simple fact that no man-made chemicals goes into making weed the way it is. Cocaine and dope must have chemicals added to make is street ready for use. But weed, ROLL IT, LIGHT IT and SMOKE THAT S HIT
well, you dehydrate it, pick it, break it up, roll it up, light and smoke.
then you goooooood.
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