Why is marijuana illegal for recreational use? Give me a reason that does not contradict why Alcohol is legal. I dont smoke pot, but i have. i just can't figure out the laws.
Why is pot illegal?
Why is marijuana illegal for recreational use? Give me a reason that does not contradict why Alcohol is legal. I dont smoke pot, but i have. i just can't figure out the laws.
because it just is.... conspiracy!!!!
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this is an ongoing argument. A lot of people say that the only reason is because it cant be taxed. Thats BS. The govt. taxes EVERYTHING. There is no reason they cant tax wiid.
i dont see any reason they couldn't tax it.
Thats what im saying. They can tax it if they really want to, but I think the main thing is that so many people grow it, they dont really have a way to regulate it. If its home grown, then you cant tax it. Thats the only thing I can see.
you can grow corn at home.Originally Posted by DieselNuts
yeah, you can also make your own moonshine, but that is illegal.
i think its because people are too closed minded to think of pot as just another thing a lot of people do like cigarettes, alcohol... And even if a politician wanted to legalize it, he would be voted out of office.
Honestly though, I really dont understand why its illegal. I dont know anyone that smokes and wants to fight the next person that smudges their puma, but you see that all the time with alcohol.
Im with you on this one man. It is starting to be more accepted in some states though.
It might even stimulate the economy! lol. thats what they can tell ppl.
because many many many years ago there was this guy in congress that convinced people that MJ made people go crazy and do stupid things. he also convinced them that it was the "gateway drug", and that people would start to do harder drugs after trying MJ. now while this maybe true it can mainly be contributed to the fact the MJ is by far the easiest to obtain.<- true story btw not made up
mj is a gateway drug. i know from seeing close family members go through rehab several times. i really dont think that most people who do harder drugs starts with those drugs. now while many people can smoke pot and be just fine, alot of people arent. its not the same as cigarettes, because cigarettes cause no major harmful mental defects, while pot kills alot of brain cells. i agree that alcohol is ALOT worse than pot, because i cant remember the last time i heard about a middle aged guy getting stoned and beating his family. pot is also more likely to produce less productive and less motivated people in my experiences. i dont smoke and i dont drink (often) and i wouldnt mind seeing them both outlawed.
just my .02.
btw, all of what ive said is based on my personal observations.
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So, you do drink...
oh, newsflash, wiid is illegal...
i cant come up with a good reason why someone shouldnt be allowed to smoke in their own home on their own time, but it scares me for it to become readily available and mainstream. it's at least somewhat mind-altering, right? The last thing we need is someone lighting up and getting behind the wheel of a car. first of all if they smoke and drive at the same time, they've got less hands to use the wheel, so that's dangerous by itself. And then if they get high and then drive, that puts the rest of us as risk to be killed by a high driver.
I dunno. Alcohol has just as bad of effects, but i dont think it should be made illegal, so i'm torn on the issue.
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^^ yes, i do drink. like maybe 3-4 times a year.
and i know its illegal. i was just adding my opinion.
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Whats the difference between a pot head and an alcoholic?
An alcoholic sees a stop sign and goes flying through it.
A pot head sees a stop sign, stops and waits for it to turn green.
There was a test dont in England (i think) where a guy drove through some cones and did some basic driving manuvers. He then went back to the pits, smoked a joint and went out for round 2. Suprisingly enough, his results were better than his sober run. The guy said that he concentrated on what he was doing more.
They repeated this a few times and the conclusion was that if you smoke too much, then it can be dangerous, but after a little bit, you actually concentrate better...
i don't smoke anything. never have. but i don't care what you do as long as you don't hurt someone else while doing it. you want to do meth? fine by me if you are locked in a room by yourself. so i really could careless if it is legalized.
but i do think the reason it is not legal has to do with taxing purposes. it is extremely easy to buy it one time (from a store so the gov't can tax you) and then just start growing it yourself. it isn't analogous to making your own alcohol. that is very difficult and can't be done in major batches without special tools. you can grow tons of weed in your basement or backyard. the second point to not being able to tax it is that if it was sold in stores and taxed it would cost more than just buying from a dealer. so how would the gov't profit from that?
i could possibly see it being legalized one day but it would still probably be illegal to grow it yourself (which would probably not stop many people) in an attempt for the gov't to make some cash.
i have also seen it's effects on people moving on to 'harder' drugs. i don't think it is too dangerous (no more so than alcohol) by itself but i do think it can lead to much more harmful substances and alcohol does not. i would say 50%+ of the people i know who started off just smoking pot went on to try other drugs. some wound up not being able to leave those other drugs so easily and it cost them big time.
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pot being a gateway drug can be a big arguement if you ask me. You scientifically cannot get addicted to pot physically, its only a mental addiction. Even then, its HARD to get addicted to it unless you do it EVERYDAY. i used to do it EVERYDAY every chance i had, but i stopped. I even tried harder drugs....not cuz of pot, but cuz i wanted to feel the experience that it would give me. It had nothing to do with pot. The only reason it can probably be considered a gateway drug is because of the people that revolve around it. Usually people that do harder drugs smoke pot as well and if a person who has never done harder drugs meets that person that does, and the person that does the hard stuff asks if they want to try stuff like coke, ice, meth, etc. then they might, its all about peer pessure, the thought of being cool. Pot is not a bad thing. Its not legalized because of that dueschebag in congress a long time ago and cuz it infact in no way can be taxed. If it was taxed there would still be people selling it outside of stores for a low price and people would go to that. either that or they would start just growing it and have it free. The government honestly is stupid for this whole "war on drugs" especially when it involves pot. I can understand harder ****. but the amount of money that they throw in to fund that, they could be using it for a hell of a lot better things. What astonishes me is people that get arrest or having it on them and what not, can get bigger sentences then people that do worse crimes.
All in all it can have something to do with religion....The country we live in is a country base on ****ing religion. regardless whether or not we believe it. separation of church and state is not there anymore. If big religious figures that influence the government dont want something. then they will have their wish
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this study might be valid but that is if the person that is high IS CONCENTRATING on driving. when you are riding 4 deep with your friends talking about going to the gas station to get some munchies you aren't concentrating on driving. in a clinical setting it might be valid, but it wouldn't be that way (at least not often) in real life.
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this is got to be the stupidest thing....have you ever even smoked bud? anyone and everyone who has ever smoked bud knows for a fact that it doesnt impare their vision or sense of driving to an extent that its stupid. The only way it can even come close to that is somone just smokes too much and doesnt want to go ANYWHERE cuz their too high. Most people hate driving if their too high and wont untill they know the ok too.
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I agree with this 100%. If the song on the radio sucks, you then start to flip through your CD book, then concentrating on the CDs. Very very true.
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from blacknightteg:
"Most people hate driving if their too high and wont untill they know the ok too."
you just shot your own point down. wouldnt they already be okay to drive if your argument held water? i know from riding with people that you really arent all that okay to drive after only 2 bowls, and not even fat ones.
what strikes me as funny, is that we can all agree that smoking pot makes you somewhat stupider than you were before, right? i mean, nobody argued with dieselnuts about a stoned driver waiting for a stop sigh to turn green... and that would be pretty stupid. and id be willing to bet that at least SOME (not all so dont get all butt hurt if you dont) of the people in this thread smoke pot on a regular basis, so how logical are these arguments? are they as logical as a green stop sign? hmm...
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[QUOTE]you just shot your own point down. wouldnt they already be okay to drive if your argument held water? i know from riding with people that you really arent all that okay to drive after only 2 bowls, and not even fat ones. [?QUOTE]
it all depends on how often you smoke and how much you smoke when you do. Also the quality of weed you are smoking, there are many factors that come into play if this is to be argued. I have been smoking sense i have been 15 and driven stoned multiple times with NO problems what so ever, regardless on who was in the car and who wasnt. If you havent even ever smoked, you have no real reason to criticize as you dont know how it actually effects YOU not someone tellin you how it does word of mouth
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BNT, id quote but my comp is being dumb.
but i see where your coming from on that, however my input is not based on word of mouth. its based on actual experiences not by me personally, but by personally witnessing its effects. dont take this personally because i dont know you, but i know from seeing it happen that smoking pot in on a regular basis can change a person from a reasonably productive average person to a low income, irresponsible, dumbaas who cant hold a job and spends money on pot rather than say, child support (if necessary), or gas money. you may not fall into this category and im not directing this at anybody in this thread, but it tends to happen to people who smoke pot. and if its not addicting, then why do i know 3 people who have been to rehab for it, 2 of whom have relapsed and 1 who is back in rehab as of now?
it is dangerous to drive while high, which is why i had to switch seats with my friend who i was riding with the other day after he smoked 2 bowls. im basing these statements off of experience, not word of mouth.
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Again, personally i dont think your arguement can hold up because you personally have never smoked. Yes, certain things may depend on the person. but pot is only addicting if you let it be. as i said, pot is not a physical addiction and that is a scientific fact, it is a physcological addiction. Most people smoke because it makes them relax and have good time. Not cuz its something they HAVE to have. people who have that happen is only because its a force of habit and to break out of that habit would **** up everything. Driving high is not dangerous, thats just my opinion, and im basing that off my experience of smoking for 5 years almost every day multiple times a day. again, it all depends on the person, but again as well i personally dont think your argument can hold up as YOU have not ever done it, im not talkin about your friends im talking about you
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im speaking about mj smokers in general. yes, YOU may be fine to drive high. but not everybody can. and it doesnt make the person less productive just because, but of you smoke as much as you say you do, can you pass a drug test? most likely not. and if it was legal, alot of companies would still test, if not more. so it would be tough to keep a job if you had to test, say once a month.
and if you smoke as much as you say you do, you must stay pretty well baked. if you are high right now, leave this thread. because regardless of what you say, everybody gets stupider while they are high. therefore your argument hold no water.
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i stopped smoking 2 months ago because i got tired of spending money on it and it got boring for me. When people have drug tests to pas most people are smart enough to stop for a while so that they can pass it. even if i were smoking alot still and was high right now while typing this to you i would still hold the same amount of knowledge that i would if i were not stoned. like how you speak about weed smokers in general cuz i bet you alot of people would be saying the same thing that i am saying. Honestly you can not judge anything of how weed works in a persons system untill it is in your system, not anyone elses. I dont understand why it is that people who have never smoked anything think its a bad thing to do. its no where near that. if it was then why would doctors prescribe it for people with glacoma? its used to help eye sight. so how does that make it bad. Weed isnt even as bad as cigarettes. You have to take into account all the weird chemicals that are put into the tabacco to make it addictind, which causes cancer and tons of other sickness's. pot is a natural substance grown out of a seed. taken off the plant and smoked. no damn chemicals added.
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pot > alcohol
always will be. <--period
Do you think if we found that smoking a tulip got us high they would outlaw it too?
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pot is nowhere near physically better for you. your right about the chemicals, but unless your smoking a filtered joint you are taking in alot more tar than a filtered cigarette.
and no, you dont have to have smoked yourself to see what its effects are. if i was in here arguing and had NO experience around it, that would be one thing. however, i have seen with my own eyes what it does to people, so i know. but do you think that the people who were recording data and making assesments in the clinical study on how it affects driving were high? most likely not. it DOES cloud your judgement and thinking ability at least during the period that you are actually high, and eventually it has the same effect regardless.
if you think im wrong, skim over the previous posts in the thread. the posts made by smokers basically say these things:
1. pot makes you focus better
2. pot makes you drive better
3. pot isnt as bad for you as cigarettes
#3 is to an extent true, but its more of a compromise between the two. cigarettes have ****ty chemicals, pot has tar. its a trade. neither are good for you, but its arguable about which is better.
as far as pot being better than alcohol, it depends on the circumstances. pot doesnt make you beat your kids, which is a great thing. but pot makes you lazy and dumb, but thats okay since it only hurts you, not the people around you.
i dont necessarily think its a bad thing to do, but i know that my personality is very prone to addiction, plus it runs in the family. ill keep my distance. i dont smoke cigs because it stinks.
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Actually, here's the thing. The tax thing isn't the issue: TECHNICALLY you CAN get a marijuana tax stamp from the government to legally have it. The problem lies in that you have to have it in your possession to obtain one, therefore you have it illegally, and are arrested on site for possession. The marijuana thing, in actuality, is just like SO MANY of our other extremist laws in that they were more or less passed as a panderance to a special interest group. Essentially, the legislative branch of our government was persuaded to criminalize marijuana by two groups: religious zealots and white racial supremacist ****heads. It's just like the prohibition act in the 20's which, as we all know, was repealed. I don't understand why the same stance wasn't taken with marijuana, honestly. I'm neither a user, nor a strong proponent for legalization, but in all honesty the laws on this subject, like many, are set to an outdated standard of morals and acceptance.
Eloborate please. Pot is larger than alcohol? Pot is better than alcohol? Pot has more effects than alcohol? Pot is more dangerous than alcohol? I have no idea what you mean by "pot > alcohol"
I'm in the field of thought that pot has no reason not to be legallized. And just to let you know, I'm not a pot head. I drink a pretty good amount (college), but I've only smoked maybe 3-5 times in my life.
Is it a gateway drug? I don't believe so. As someone else pretty much said earlier, the reason some people (notice the word some) who smoke go on to do other things is because the people they are around. Illegal activities tend to hang around together. If pot was legallized, you would no longer see the sketchy element of it (aka drug dealers).
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in the words of the great Bob Saggot:
do you know anyone that has sucked diick for pot? if your 3 friends that are in rehab for wiid havent sucked diick for it, then they are fukin puusies.
Sorry, I dont mean to dis your friends, but seriously, its mind over matter. Just like being on a diet. You dont physically need pot to function once you are "addicted". You just want it. Herion(sp) on the other hand is different. You have a physical addiction to it and they make synthetic heroin to help you get off of it.
I've been in that situation before and as long as you have enough will power, you can quit. Its actually pretty easy. When I was in highschool I smoked pot every chance I got, then I got a DUI and had to quit because of probation. It was simple. It was something I had to do and I did it.
its legal in Mexico, but only a certain amount per person.
next time you are around a friend that smokes cigarettes, get them to put a piece of toilet/tissue paper on the end of the filter and tell me that there isnt any tar on there.
Cigaretts have just as much tar as pot, so when you compare the two, the tar cancels out and what do you have left? Cigarettes with shiity chemicals...
If pot was "legal" everybody would just grow it and the government couldn't make any money on it. It doesn't help them one bit to legalize it because if it did, it would be legal already.
Plus, for it to be legal and the government allow it to be sold, the price would be at the least twice as much as cigarettes. Nobody would pay those prices so again, they would resort to growing it themselves.
I know someone would say "why not grow tobacco then and save money on cigarettes"? Because I don't know anybody that smokes a joint every 15 minutes, but I do have friends that smoke that often. You would need a decent size garden to support a tobacco habit, but everybody knows you could support a pot habit with a few plants.
I guess you have never bought wiid. if you had, you would know that a carton of joints would cost you waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaay more than 50 bucks. If I could get pot for twice as much as cigarettes, I wold become a drug dealer RIGHT NOW.
Close minded I agree ... nothings wrong with the budsky dude . haha . It isn't hurting anyone why should it matter if a responsible user smokes pot ? Too many people get thrown in jail for possesion charges and what not and the real criminals are out on the street .... hate crime
im sorry but your arguement seriously = FAIL. You cannot compare the two ( pot and cigarettes). with the amount of chemicals that they put into those ****ing death sticks cigarettes are by far more worse for you then a joint of pot. there too many chemicals to list with names i have never been able to pronounce that are in cigarettes, where as in pot, there is just strong ass THC. Pot is not physically addicting substance and never will be as long as it is around unless tobacco companies get ahold of it and start putting chemicals in it to make it so. Like deiselnuts said. pot is something that you can easliy get off of as long as you want too. If you dont, then you will keep smoking on it. As long as you have the will to do so. I highly honestly doubt your friends were actually addicted to pot, they just didnt want to stop smoking it so they got sent to rehab to maybe help make them want to stop. but if they relapsed, well **** happens. smoking pot is only as harmful to your as you make it. if you do it responisibly, then you will have no problem what so ever. If you know when its time for you to truely stop then you can. How do you think i stopped....i'd been smoking for a long time, one day i came home and could smell myself ( being around friends that smoke cigarettes and what not on a constant basis as well as pot) so i decided to stop. As luck would have it, i also go sick so i couldnt even smoke. so you know what i did, said **** it and stopped. its not hard
If pot its considered to be a gate way drug...then i guess it made me start smoking cigarettes, which i stopped. Why did i start because i was around people that did all the time and i didnt want to feel left out. Drug uses is all about who you are around and how often you are around them. if you associate yourself with people that just love to do drugs. your gunna end up being one of those types of people doing it every day. if you dont, then you might do it every now and then if its around if your out somewhere. but in no way shape and or form are you going to end up like some crackhead did, just cuz you occasionally smoke, or even smoke a few times a week. Pot is not a mind altering substance, it just may make you lazy. if it does, thats cuz you allow it. I know for a fact that when ever i was high with friends. we never just stood or sat around. we always wanted to do something. it does not make you less productive what so ever.
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