Atheist
After not really getting too deep into Ran's atheist thread, I thought I'd make my own. Here's a sweet video of how the united states feels about atheist. And yes, I am one. Problem? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
And before people start posting "wrong section" I don't give a damn, so just save it.
Wrong section and repost. Later, QD.Originally Posted by Maniac©
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Link to the first thread, or you're full of BS.
I guess I'm BS free. Owned twice in a day, man. Man out of all the times that you've been owned (and it's been many), I've never seen you get popped twice in the same day:
Proof link to repost, thus setting me bullshiit free.
This was in your God vs. Science thread. Remember when you posted this with your other name? Lolol. Later, QD.
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Lol I saw this coming the second I posted it. But yeah, I did. This is a repost made by me, so it doesn't count. And thanks for running around acting like mr. knows it all. Had to blow my cover!
Lolol. I wasn't "acting" like mr. knows it all. I actually AM him. And a repost is a repost is a repost. And it's considered worse when you repost yourself. Lolol. Later, QD.
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i have spikey hair..does that make me an atheist?
And I would prefer people with higher than a two digit IQ to post in here. Thanks.
suck on my shaved hair balls
hell naw say it aint so captain...
well i'm agnostic, and atheism is a form of it, i believe? right?
i just know when i was younger and listening to the christian view points, even as a ten year old, i felt that something wasn't right about it. when i was eleven, i had a friend tell me if i wasn't babtized (sp?) then i wasn't a true christian. and i said, "what if i don't want to be a christian?" then she try to say i worshipped satan.
i don't think you should follow every one else. i mean for all we know the bible could have been written by some old homeless man off his rocker. who knows? you sure as hell don't because you weren't there. you know? i believe all in the seeing is believing. and i sure don't see god.
around thirteen years old, i started looking into other relgions. religion is just something to hide behind when something is not going right in your life.
i dont know, i'm done ranting...
Believe it or not, I know someone who has been told he was a devil by a pastor before. Him and I have the exact views on this subject. I find it hilarious when people come up with the conclusion that you're antichrist just because you choose not to believe in christ or god.
This is kinda off topic, but in my blog I have a lot of satanic posts. And every now and then I get -repped because of some of the things I say. LOL I mean, alot of people are afriad to come out and tell you, but to them. The best way to solve the problem is to say you're into satanism.
This is true. But when you take into consideration that the "holy" church does change the minds of the wicked it kinda gets you thinking, is it the words that are changing them, or is it the fact that it makes them feel good at that moment of time? Thus causing them to stay out of trouble, gangs, drugs, ect.
it's ok guys. quickdodge is just an ass. that's what he does.
See what I mean 12lbs? Just another of my bitches talking like she knows how. Later, QD.
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I'm not sure when I made up my mind exactly, but I'm an atheist and I have been as long as I can remember. I simply cannot bring myself to believe in something completely unproven and physically impossible. Some people think it takes more strength to have faith in something of which we have no evidence, but I think that it's used as a security blanket for people who can't handle life. Not always, but often.
To me, religion was supposed to be a set of ground rules for being a 'good' person as most people define it, and to do the right thing. No one was supposed to take it so seriously, but somewhere along the way it got out of hand.
I believe that one of the primary purposes of religion is to dissolve the fear of death- why wouldn't someone want to believe that they have everlasting glory after they serve their sentence as mortal bodies? When people die around me, it makes me pretty damn sad because I know that they're finished. People talk about how they're in a better place, but in my heart I know it's not true. They'll be buried. I went to a young friend's funeral and cried more than his own mother did. It disturbs me that people feel this way. I'm sorry that my beliefs are morbid, but it's this "only today is guaranteed" thing that leads me to work as hard as I can to enjoy it.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this, someone else can respond.
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Your on the right path about the reason ofr religion. The sad part is, somewhere along the line a parallel agenda was established; TO MAKE MONEY AND ESTABLISH POWER!
I'm really not concerned with disproving religion as of now because people like to live in a pool of ignorance because its comfortable and firmiliar. Right now, I am on a search for the truth, whatever it may be.
And to touch on a topic that Maniac brushed over:
I remember a few months ago, I was over my girlfriends house, and she told her mom that I was atheist...... It was like she was bipolar. We went from joking around and having a good time, to her telling me that I was a "deamon" and the "antichrist". She said that because my screename & tag say "TheChosenOne" that I am a self-proclaimed anti-christ!
It hurt at first, but this only strenghtens my reasoning for not wanting to be associated with people who share the same beliefs as her...
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Believe it or not, my mom calls me a devil. I always laugh, because I know im not, but her religion says that those that don't believe in the holy father and that are against him are devils. LOL its pathetic! After being called one so many times, I now see it as a complement! Best way to look at it IMO.It hurt at first, but this only strenghtens my reasoning for not wanting to be associated with people who share the same beliefs as her...
Lol... I completely understand. Things I have to deal with on a daily basis, some people don't even think about. It's sad to say, but it's so much easier to be a christian in the south, than to be anything else.
Little things like the pledge. I remember in my senior year I stopped standing for the pledge because of the "One nation under god...". One of my teachers had the fuccking nerve to say that I was less of a man because I wouldn't have the sense to stand like everyone else.
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Just go to hell already alex
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Read my sig.Just go to hell already alex
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lol but its so damn hott there and i hate being sweatyRead my sig.
but you of all should know that hell is hott .....Mexico
the bible is a book of metaphors. Dont steal, dont lie, dont kill... thats the main deal of every book in the bible.
i'm agnostic.
Check this out! LMK what yall think.
ps; im not satanic so don't even ask LOLOL!
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
i never stood for the pledge since 9th grade.
QD: I constantly appreciate your use of proper grammar, or at least enough use thereof that you don't sound like a total asstard (like the people that can't be bothered with the extra two letters in "you").
On topic: I have a hard time with Atheism. I think we're lacking a really good definition here. If it is simply people who do not believe in God, it needs some explanation. Does that refer to the Judeo-Christian God? Does it refer to all gods, including the Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Norse, or Celtic pantheons? Do your atheistic beliefs include every single possibility of God that has ever been conceived, including Shiva, Vishnu, or the concept of Nirvana?
If it does, then I would like to know how you gleaned that knowledge. This goes out to all the atheists here; I'm serious. How do you know for sure that there is NOTHING out there? Isn't claiming you KNOW that there is a LACK of something to claim that you know EVERYTHING that is? For example, if I said i had a poster of Elvis Presley on my bedroom wall, could you verify that I, in fact, do NOT, until you come to my apartment, observe each wall, and realize that not a single square inch of wall contains such a poster? Of course not. So what gives you such a knowledge of the universe to say there is NO god?
I'm not saying I believe in the Christian idea of God. Nor do the general Christian values sit well with me. However, I think it's quite a mighty claim to say you KNOW for SURE that something DOES NOT exist, when it has the entire infinite universe in which to reside.
He who has imagination without learning has wings but no feet.
Well thank you. I believe in using the education that I received so that I don't look like a dumbass.
Now, I'd just assume this thread get back on topic. Someone got involved in an inside joke between Maniac for no reason and this just needs to get back to the Atheist subject. Any further correspondence can be done in the WL as I will not reply to any more crap in here. Later, QD.
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Wanna suck his balls now? Lol
Being an atheist is not saying there is NO god or higher power. Atheists disbelieve and denies the existence of God or gods. We choose NOT to believe in one because there hasn't been any actual evidence to prove the theory of the holy father ever existing.
That's exactly what i was asking for. Atheism bothers me when it is a TOTAL denial of a God/multiple gods. That's different then saying "well, something MAY be out there, but until I have proof, I'm not believing."
Of course, in that case, how would you define an agnostic?
And i don't want to suck on anything of QD's, nor of yours, but I also appreciate your attention to grammar.
He who has imagination without learning has wings but no feet.
You are mistaken, dude.
I know you will be harder to beat than others. But here, let me try!
Having a belief in there not being a god is different than know there is a higher power but denying it's existence. Take this for example, you see big foot. You didn't get a good look at it, but it didn't look like your average looking bear.
You then have a belief in it existing, but you want to be sure so you wait for proof to arrive before you make your decision. This would be someone in denial. Atheist would just deny the existence and move on.
You wouldn't, it'll stay the same. Seeing as they choose to have the benefit of the doubt and hold on to that belief.
Who said anything about mine? LOL something you want to share with the rest of the members? Maybe alittle fantasy you have marinating inside that brain of yours?
Vayda is a female. Dude. Lolol. Later, QD.Who said anything about mine? LOL something you want to share with the rest of the members? Maybe alittle fantasy you have marinating inside that brain of yours?
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Trust me, I already know.I call everyone "dude" even girls. Weird I know LOL.
Ahhh, gotcha. Later, QD.
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I'm still not sure I understand. You're saying an Atheist would see sasquatch, and say "Nope, sasquatch doesn't exist" whereas an agnostic would see the same thing and say "Well, that was probably sasquatch, but i'm gonna get some other opinions before I go ahead and tell other people"
Is that basically right? Is atheism really just a basic denial of your senses? Or is it more like having a friend tell you "DUDE! I ****IN SAW BIGFOOT" and you saying "Nah, he don't exist mang."?
The only reason I harp on this is because we can't argue about the validity of a belief if we don't know what the belief system entails.
And yes, I have fantasies about grammatically correct men. "Oh baby, you and I are going to have such a good time! You know not for what you are in store! I have every intention of making you believe no one has ever had a better time in his or her life!"
Yea that's hot.
He who has imagination without learning has wings but no feet.
From reference.com:
An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings.
An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine.
No one can prove or disprove God's existence. Either you believe or you don't. For both believers and non-believers, you have to have faith in your own beliefs. An atheist has to believe there is no God, while an agnostic just says that they don't know enough to make a decision and thus are not required to believe either way.
Right-o, I suppose my question is more whether or not an atheist denies the existence of ALL divine beings, or just the typical ones.
He who has imagination without learning has wings but no feet.
By definition, it would be all. Otherwise, they would be a skeptic.
Agnostic = No way to know know if there is a god or not
Atheism = There is no god
What pushed me from Agnosticism to Atheism was a simple thought experiment. I asked myself "Do I believe in [fairies, minotaurs, etc.)]?". The answer was no. Surely I can't know for a fact that they do not exist (agnosticism) but having seen 0 evidence means that I place the probability of it existing so low that for all intents in purposes I do not believe they exist (atheism).
So you're claiming you know everything, then?
Man, you're such a know-it-all. :P
Or you're naieve and ignorant. You say that you've never seen something, so the probability of it existing is negligible. You've never seen my roommate, or my fiance, or my parents. So obviously they don't exist either, do they? You've probably never seen any evidence of them, except maybe my parents. But you've never seen any evidence that I have a 32" television in front of me. Does that mean I don't have one?
It's pretty impressive, for someone to know EVERYTHING, to the point where they can safely say that they know for sure that in all the universe something is nonexistant.
I don't think most self-proclaimed atheists are really atheists. I think they just don't believe in the Christian god, and extend that to all higher powers. Do you believe in Karma, Nirvana, or hell, Luck? Because ALL of those are higher powers.
He who has imagination without learning has wings but no feet.
OK, enough of this smartass attitude.
He wasn't claiming to know everything, none of us are. We're just saying that there hasn't been any evidence of a higher power ever existing, so therefore we base our beliefs into that! No god has ever been; seen, heard, felt, ect. thus there is no god.
You bringing up examples like your family doesn't prove a point. We all know human beings exist. So we won't argue that they don't exist, if you would have used something like the tooth fairy then maybe it would have been a good example, but you didn't. You're right about the atheists not really being atheists, because im sure alot of them do believe in luck, karma, and whatever else there is that falls into the same catagory.
If someone believes in hell than they have to believe in heaven, because there can't exist one without the other. Where there is evil there is good. So I don't know about the rest, but I disbelieve in jesus christ and everything that is in the bible is crap. But when you look at it and put alot of thought into it, there always has to be something greater than you out there.
I don't know why, but I do.
Don't know what it is or could be... thats how I see it.
Now im sure in the future we'll find the answers to these questions and come up with a new conclusion then. But til then we're left with what we know and believe in now. Which is really all we got, instead of looking for guidence from our past and seeking into the future by making prediction we should focus in the "now."
I've been wasting too many brain cells over this topic for a good week now, and im drained. LOL people are welcomed to post, but im staying out of it for the time being. Hopefully I still see some educated people posting in here. XD
Ok, let's take the tooth fairy. Since you haven't seen the tooth fairy, it must not exist, correct? Suppose you lose a tooth, put it under your pillow one night, and wake up the next morning to find a quarter in it's place? Do you believe:
A) The natural order of the universe is to replace teeth with quarters.
B) Pillows have a magical power to convert teeth to quarters
C) Some external force was messing with you and you want your damn tooth back because a quarter isn't worth anything anymore!
If you cannot detect something physically, does that mean it is not real? What about the concepts of love and hate? What about all concepts? You cannot physcially measure love, does that mean that it does not exist? Especially since "God is love" in the Bible - does that mean that you really don't want to believe in love? Also, what about hate, faith, hope, justice, etc? Do they exist? What makes them real to you?
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