[QUOTE=bu villain]There are several theories on this. For example, the elastic universe theory says there could have been an infinite number of big bangs and big crunches, therefore the matter was always there. That being said, big bang theory starts at the instant after the singularity exploded. It does not attempt to explain how the singularity came to be. Therefore, I will not go into this topic more, we could have a whole other thread on this.

As for the other issues. I think I can find some good answers from my research. I have read about all those topics but I need to refresh myself on the specifics. Be patient please, this is turning into a good discussion.[/QUOTE]

its all theories though. no one can prove for sure that either side is right. scientist have been wrong on alot of things...just look at global warming and what scientist said about it before and now!! i know there's a god and and im not trying to force my religion on anyone. but........

Have you ever seen the wind? no.. but u know its there
First, you can know that the wind is there because you can see it moving things. You can't see the wind, but you know it is there because you can see what the wind is doing.

You can know that the wind is there because you can feel it. You can feel it blowing against your face and you can feel it blowing through your hair. You can't see the wind, but you know it is there because you can feel it.

Finally, you can know the wind is there because you can hear it. I can hear the wind whistling through the trees, down the chimney, and around the windows and doors. I can't see the wind, but I know it is there because I can hear it.

How many of you have ever seen God? The Bible says that no one has seen God. Well if we haven't seen him, how do we know he is there? I think we can know that he is there the same way we know the wind is there.

First, we can see Him moving. The Bible says that the Spirit of God moves men to speak and to do things for him. (2 Peter 1:21) We can't see God, but we can see men doing things that God's Holy Spirit has moved them to do.

We can know that God is there because we can feel His presence. The Bible says, "I will fear no evil for Thou art with me." (Psalm 23:4) The Bible also says that "if we love one another, God lives in us." We can't see God, but we know he is there because we can feel his presence in our life.

Finally, we can know He is there because we can hear him. The Bible says, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him." (Revelation 3:20) We can't see God, but we know he is there because he speaks to our hearts.

maybe god just hasn't reached out to u yet. my grandma died and was brought back to life. she told me that she was in heaven but it wasnt here time yet. i read this book called 90 minutes in heaven where this guy gets hit by a semi and was pronounced dead by a few paramedics and then about an hour later he comes back to life.