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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMEK18
    I'm being a smart guy but I don't mean to be a jerk!! Just trying to make a statement>>>
    Sounds like you would like to sit down at a table and use a special software to create a god, tell him how you want to live your life and how he should do this, this, and this.. It's been done through out history BUT,

    Remember He created you!! You didn't create Him! And you can use that for any god you serve...

    And our God has heard our cries during plenty of situations.. where you believe in the bible or not, they are facts.. Moses was a real person and he was choosen to lead the people out of bondage. Jesus was a real person who was crucified for no reason, but to take the sins of the world - that it might be saved. And he was resurrected and there were several witnesses, believers and non believers(which were converted at the sight of Jesus because they knew he had been killed 3 days earlier). And Jesus said that he does not do his work but, the work of the Father - being God. Christians believe in a real person, Jesus. Now, what God do you believe in and where is the evidence of any existance?
    While I admire your beliefs, I can't help but think that you are blind.

    Let me point some things out to you. God didn't create us, we created him. How do I know this? Let's look at history. Christianity is nothing but the conglomeration of other religions that it swallowed up during it's rise to where it is now.

    Did you know that Christmas was created by the christians to entice pagan worshippers to switch religions without disrupting their current ceremonies? The original christmas celebration is actually the solstice. But the christian church didn't have a solstice celebration, so they made Christmas (the birth of christ) as that holiday. They did that to coincide with the Roman Sun festival, where the sun was reborn and the days became longer.

    Christ wasn't burn on Dec 25th, matter of fact, I don't think anywhere in the bible does it actually say when he was born.

    But, let's check history shall we, bible history.

    The Bible historian Luke tells us that John came baptizing in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. (Lu 3:1-3) Augustus died on August 17, 14 C.E. On September 15, Tiberius was named emperor by the Roman Senate. The Romans did not use the accession-year system; consequently, the 15th year would run from the latter part of 28 C.E. to the latter part of 29 C.E.

    John was six months older than Jesus and began his ministry (evidently in the spring of the year) ahead of Jesus as Jesus’ forerunner, preparing the way. (Lu 1:35, 36) Jesus, whom the Bible indicates was born in the fall of the year, was about 30 years old when he came to John to be baptized. (Lu 3:21-23) Therefore he was baptized, most likely, in the fall, about October of 29 C.E. Counting back 30 years would bring us to the fall of 2 B.C.E. as the time of the human birth of the Son of God. (Compare Lu 3:1, 23 with Daniel’s prophecy of the “seventy weeks” at Da 9:24-27.)

    Jesus was “about thirty years old” when he began his ministry as the Christ. So he was about 33 1/2 when he died about the beginning of April, on Passover Day. (Luke 3:21-23; Matthew 26:2) He would have been 34 about six months later, in October. Evidently he was not born in December!

    Let's not even get into the fact that more murders, killings, wars, rapes and theft have been attributed to organized religion, Christianity being at the forefront than any other single entity in history. Did you know that the Vatican is one of the most heavily fortified buildings in the world? Matter of fact, it isn't really a building, it is it's own country. It's own laws apply there. They actually have the only ATM's in the world that are in Latin. Neato. It has it's own fighting force, 110 swiss males, unmarried at the time of joining, higly trained in forms of combat. The popes bodygaurd. There are 2 different types of swiss gaurd, the swiss 100, the actual popes bodygaurd and the others that man gates and such.

    Christianity was responsible for huge massacres right from the beginning.

    Quote from the bible as said by Jesus. "And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).

    Also, isn't being christian all about forgiveness? Mark 3:29 "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "

    In 435 AD Rome, it was punishable by death to not be a Christian.
    During the Crusades, standard policy upon entering a heretic city was to slay all the non-believers. Jews that holed up in their temples were burned alive.
    Neat peice of trivia for you, the term "Kill them all, God will sort them out" came from Papal Legat Arnald Amalric, when he was asked how to tell the faithful from the non-faithful during his attack on the the city of Beziers because they dared translate the bible into the language for the common man. The army was raised by Pope Innocent III.

    Let's not even get started on the Inquisition, Reformation, the Salem witch trials and a multitude of other holy killings that Christianity are responsible for.

    You god is a violent god, an exclusive god who rules by fear. Fear of hell and divine power. But yet, he is a god that humans created, not the other way around. There were plenty of gods around long before Christ. Matter of fact, a god that predates christ by a huge amount is Zeus, might interesting who Christ looks like isn't it?

    But of course none of this will even register with you i'm sure, just as it didn't with my sister. Faith is blinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glides
    While I admire your beliefs, I can't help but think that you are blind.

    Let me point some things out to you. God didn't create us, we created him. How do I know this? Let's look at history. Christianity is nothing but the conglomeration of other religions that it swallowed up during it's rise to where it is now.

    Did you know that Christmas was created by the christians to entice pagan worshippers to switch religions without disrupting their current ceremonies? The original christmas celebration is actually the solstice. But the christian church didn't have a solstice celebration, so they made Christmas (the birth of christ) as that holiday. They did that to coincide with the Roman Sun festival, where the sun was reborn and the days became longer.

    Christ wasn't burn on Dec 25th, matter of fact, I don't think anywhere in the bible does it actually say when he was born.

    But, let's check history shall we, bible history.

    The Bible historian Luke tells us that John came baptizing in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. (Lu 3:1-3) Augustus died on August 17, 14 C.E. On September 15, Tiberius was named emperor by the Roman Senate. The Romans did not use the accession-year system; consequently, the 15th year would run from the latter part of 28 C.E. to the latter part of 29 C.E.

    John was six months older than Jesus and began his ministry (evidently in the spring of the year) ahead of Jesus as Jesus’ forerunner, preparing the way. (Lu 1:35, 36) Jesus, whom the Bible indicates was born in the fall of the year, was about 30 years old when he came to John to be baptized. (Lu 3:21-23) Therefore he was baptized, most likely, in the fall, about October of 29 C.E. Counting back 30 years would bring us to the fall of 2 B.C.E. as the time of the human birth of the Son of God. (Compare Lu 3:1, 23 with Daniel’s prophecy of the “seventy weeks” at Da 9:24-27.)

    Jesus was “about thirty years old” when he began his ministry as the Christ. So he was about 33 1/2 when he died about the beginning of April, on Passover Day. (Luke 3:21-23; Matthew 26:2) He would have been 34 about six months later, in October. Evidently he was not born in December!

    Let's not even get into the fact that more murders, killings, wars, rapes and theft have been attributed to organized religion, Christianity being at the forefront than any other single entity in history. Did you know that the Vatican is one of the most heavily fortified buildings in the world? Matter of fact, it isn't really a building, it is it's own country. It's own laws apply there. They actually have the only ATM's in the world that are in Latin. Neato. It has it's own fighting force, 110 swiss males, unmarried at the time of joining, higly trained in forms of combat. The popes bodygaurd. There are 2 different types of swiss gaurd, the swiss 100, the actual popes bodygaurd and the others that man gates and such.

    Christianity was responsible for huge massacres right from the beginning.

    Quote from the bible as said by Jesus. "And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).

    Also, isn't being christian all about forgiveness? Mark 3:29 "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "

    In 435 AD Rome, it was punishable by death to not be a Christian.
    During the Crusades, standard policy upon entering a heretic city was to slay all the non-believers. Jews that holed up in their temples were burned alive.
    Neat peice of trivia for you, the term "Kill them all, God will sort them out" came from Papal Legat Arnald Amalric, when he was asked how to tell the faithful from the non-faithful during his attack on the the city of Beziers because they dared translate the bible into the language for the common man. The army was raised by Pope Innocent III.

    Let's not even get started on the Inquisition, Reformation, the Salem witch trials and a multitude of other holy killings that Christianity are responsible for.

    You god is a violent god, an exclusive god who rules by fear. Fear of hell and divine power. But yet, he is a god that humans created, not the other way around. There were plenty of gods around long before Christ. Matter of fact, a god that predates christ by a huge amount is Zeus, might interesting who Christ looks like isn't it?

    But of course none of this will even register with you i'm sure, just as it didn't with my sister. Faith is blinding.

    For someone that doesn't believe in God and also believes that I made him up.. You sure do hold him accountable for a lot of things..

    Here is a way that you can prove to your self if he exists..
    The bible says that God said "If you seek me you shall find me"
    Take the time that your curseing him to seek him and if you don't find him, i mean if you really really open your heart and mind and don't find him - then you'll have your answer - but i think then your affraid that you might loose control of all the knowledge that you have found to be false. But hey, what do you have to loose except life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMEK18
    Here is a way that you can prove to your self if he exists..
    The bible says that God said "If you seek me you shall find me"
    wow.

    you are wrong on that statement. i had searched, you knwo what i found?


    nothing that resembles YOUR god
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    wow.

    you are wrong on that statement. i had searched, you knwo what i found?


    nothing that resembles YOUR god
    So tell me what did you find? I'm curious!! and how did you seek him?

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