Islam is not a new religion or the newest religion..

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10-03-2007, 11:46 AM
umairejaz

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Originally Posted by SL65AMG

im on the fence still. i dont disbelieve but i havent seen anything that make me believe 100%. hell i could write a book about some dude named bob and tell people all about him and create a new religion.....

i got bigger things to deal with

^like how much hp that intake adds? Grow up.
10-03-2007, 11:54 AM
umairejaz

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Originally Posted by THX712517

Claiming that all prophets of all religions were Muslims who got it wrong is egotistical and frankly, embarrassing.

They never made a mistake, they were pure in form. People's perception and interpretation of their word did however misconstrued over time.
10-03-2007, 11:58 AM
Tasuki_Civic

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Originally Posted by d-ninja

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ristianity.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ayne/islam.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ne/atheism.jpg

Theres your religion.

:lmfao:
10-03-2007, 12:13 PM
tko

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Originally Posted by umairejaz

^like how much hp that intake adds? Grow up.

he can say whatever he wants, his comment wasn't childish. More like a way for him to express his way of viewing this topic.
10-03-2007, 12:16 PM
Tasuki_Civic

^your right about that
10-03-2007, 12:21 PM
umairejaz

Need an eye exam?

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Originally Posted by SL65AMG

do they teach you how to make pipebombs too?
10-03-2007, 12:25 PM
tko

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Originally Posted by umairejaz

Need an eye exam?

No im fine, next time quote the right post.
10-03-2007, 12:26 PM
umairejaz

^I'm sorry I have to remind you to read.
10-03-2007, 09:45 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by gtikid

You're choosing to not believe in any religion. You're choosing to think "rationally".

Congratulations on successfully reiterating what I said.
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
gtikid

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Congratulations on successfully reiterating what I said.

And by that i'm assuming I made my point. It's ok, I understand people of lower intelligence require a little bit more time and explanations than others :goodjob:
10-05-2007, 11:06 AM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by gtikid

And by that i'm assuming I made my point. It's ok, I understand people of lower intelligence require a little bit more time and explanations than others :goodjob:

Oh boy, you totally got me there because you said what I did in a slightly different way.
10-05-2007, 12:01 PM
Ran

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Ohnoez, I'm threatened by the notion of morality without some horribly contradictary book spoon feeding ignorance to me so I'm going to make Atheism seem ridiculous because I can't wrap my head around even the basic, laymen scientific origins of life and the universe you can hear about on the Discovery Channel.

Also, Atheism is not a belief. A belief is a thing that you hold to be true despite the fact that it is directly contradicted or disproven by empirical evidence.

If you're an Atheist you don't "believe" in anything, you know things to be true because they've been scientifically proven.

zzzzzz

Your rebutle could have used some refining. Leave the sh*t-tossing to the monkeys and try to hold an intelligent conversation. This isn't the Whoreslounge.

Also, science has just as many theories and flaws as any religion on most comparable subjects. The creation of the world for example. Both science and religion have their stances of subjects and sometimes one will outweigh the other. When it comes to these things, it helps to have an open mind.

Oh, and just for the record, I'm agnostic. I do think that there's some sort of afterlife, reincarnation, or high power out there. I just don't know what and I don't pretend to know.

:)
10-05-2007, 02:18 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by Ran

Your rebutle could have used some refining. Leave the sh*t-tossing to the monkeys and try to hold an intelligent conversation. This isn't the Whoreslounge.

The irony of this statement reached right through my TV and killed me.

My statement was actually prompted by someone else posting something lacking in substance, instead laden with vitriol and non-facts.

Also, science has just as many theories and flaws as any religion on most comparable subjects. The creation of the world for example. Both science and religion have their stances of subjects and sometimes one will outweigh the other. When it comes to these things, it helps to have an open mind.

Science has flaws such as... I'm waiting... really...
I suppose the most popular one is natural selection and evolution and the contention by zany idiots that there's debate within the scientific community about whether or not this actually takes place.

Unless you count the people who got their education at diploma mills arguing that the great biblical flood was caused by the Earth's crust cracking and that dinosaurs are actually 700 year old iguanas, there is not.

If you're insinuating science doesn't have an explanation to all the "big questions" religion wants to answer you're sadly mistaken.

I'm sure plenty of charity goes through religion.

People also get stoned in the streets for holding hands with someone of another religious demomination for religion.

One could argue that this is an extreme example. However, events like this are all too common and less egregious violations of rights are state sanctioned right here in this country.

Religion is nothing but ignorance.
10-05-2007, 02:53 PM
JDM onlyy

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Its really not an argument considering there is no evidence to support the existence of anything supernatural. If you want to be religious, great, more power to you, but to attempt to argue your correctness is logically futile.

What are you talking about? He was referring to the fact that most wars in history have been because of religion....In no way did he, "attempt to argue his correctness" about one religion being more correct than another... :screwy:
10-05-2007, 02:57 PM
JDM onlyy

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Originally Posted by umairejaz

^like how much hp that intake adds? Grow up.

Why does he have to grow up? Because he doesn't believe in a religion and thinks religion is bogus? Like GTI has been saying...its all belief. And if everyone would just learn to accept the fact that not everyone is gonna believe the same things then the world would be a much easier place to live in...
10-05-2007, 03:52 PM
Ran

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Originally Posted by The12lber

The irony of this statement reached right through my TV and killed me.

My statement was actually prompted by someone else posting something lacking in substance, instead laden with vitriol and non-facts.

Irony? There was no irony. I consider his post just as worthless as yours was due to the content. However, there's no reason why you should of had to lower your standards and respond in kind. Judging from the statements in your more recent posts, you seem to be capable of more than that. That's a compliment.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Science has flaws such as... I'm waiting... really...
I suppose the most popular one is natural selection and evolution and the contention by zany idiots that there's debate within the scientific community about whether or not this actually takes place.

Unless you count the people who got their education at diploma mills arguing that the great biblical flood was caused by the Earth's crust cracking and that dinosaurs are actually 700 year old iguanas, there is not.

If you're insinuating science doesn't have an explanation to all the "big questions" religion wants to answer you're sadly mistaken.

Okay, maybe I misworded. I do know, and respect, that science gives us answers to most things in our physical world. No question there. Also, I'm not much into the Evolution vs. Creation debate. I do, however, wonder about the origin of this world and of life itself. For one reason of another, I find it a bit easier to accept a divine creator over a random explosion in the cosmos. That and the simple complexity of physical life itself. I don't see how single cell organisms could simply come together and form something as complex as even an eye. Save your evolution over time response because I've heard it before and I still find it hard to accept the fact that there wasn't some sort of greater essence at work.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Religion is nothing but ignorance.

Kind of a bold statement. I'll accept the fact that religion is based primarily on faith and belief. However, I think to ignore it all together is just as ignorant as those that would ignore science.
10-05-2007, 08:01 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by Ran

Okay, maybe I misworded. I do know, and respect, that science gives us answers to most things in our physical world. No question there. Also, I'm not much into the Evolution vs. Creation debate. I do, however, wonder about the origin of this world and of life itself. For one reason of another, I find it a bit easier to accept a divine creator over a random explosion in the cosmos. That and the simple complexity of physical life itself. I don't see how single cell organisms could simply come together and form something as complex as even an eye. Save your evolution over time response because I've heard it before and I still find it hard to accept the fact that there wasn't some sort of greater essence at work.

Just because its easier to believe doesn't make it a more complete or correct explanation.

Kind of a bold statement. I'll accept the fact that religion is based primarily on faith and belief. However, I think to ignore it all together is just as ignorant as those that would ignore science.

Its not really the same since me rejecting religion is all there is to it. I personally will not believe it.

I'm not going to consider you a lower life form if you're religious, force you to become an apostas or legislate your life into second class citizen hell.

Or do any of those crazy things we think would NEVER happen in the incredibly tolerant United States of America >>

That's the difference.
10-05-2007, 09:53 PM
{X}Echo419

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Originally Posted by Tasuki_Civic

:lmfao:

I'm with ya here.
btw:
I can't imagine being a muslim woman. talk about sexual discrimination(although the term erks me). women in the middle east got it 10x any free woman in the west.

1 more thing(this really happened). I was @ 6 Flags and I saw the kids and 1 of the was wearing a shirt that I swear said, "Islam. As Seen On TV". what ****ing tv has he been watching?!
10-06-2007, 05:40 PM
umairejaz

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Originally Posted by JDM onlyy

Why does he have to grow up? Because he doesn't believe in a religion and thinks religion is bogus? Like GTI has been saying...its all belief. And if everyone would just learn to accept the fact that not everyone is gonna believe the same things then the world would be a much easier place to live in...

I guess reading isn't a very strong point in many of us.
10-06-2007, 05:41 PM
tko

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Originally Posted by umairejaz

I guess reading isn't a very strong point in many of us.

Who gives a damn, you are the most ignorant person in this thread. Just shut up already.
10-06-2007, 05:46 PM
umairejaz

Obviously you do, you keep quoting me. How can sl65amg's comment go unnoticed? It’s very disrespectful and shows his immaturity. It bothers me and I do care.
10-06-2007, 05:49 PM
tko

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Originally Posted by umairejaz

Obviously you do, you keep quoting me. How can sl65amg's comment go unnoticed? It’s very disrespectful and shows his immaturity.

Not really, the only reason I did, was cause you replied to me with almost the exact reply. All people are not always going to see eye to eye. You judge people on what they say on an internet forum, nice. Very mature of you right there, :rolleyes: . Anyways, keep on bashing on people who don't really care about this topic and make ' immature ' comments about it.
10-06-2007, 05:52 PM
umairejaz

^ All i ask is you not justify what they said as being ok without reading the entire post.

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Originally Posted by tko

All people are not always going to see eye to eye.

I agree 100%.... but then why are we so keen in changing the world and forcing others to live life as we see fit? There is never one right way to do things. We American’s are very ethnocentric and see our culture as superior beyond any doubt.
10-06-2007, 05:58 PM
umairejaz

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

I'm with ya here.

I can't imagine being a muslim woman. talk about sexual discrimination(although the term erks me). women in the middle east got it 10x any free woman in the west.

If you look back in history, America doesn't have a strong back bone in sexual equality either. Even in our country just a few years back, women weren't allowed the right to vote nor own property or land. Sexual discrimination is nothing new and still exists even in America today. It may not be to as vivid as in other parts of the world but we are all still fighting this same problem. Wouldn't you agree?
10-10-2007, 12:22 PM
bu villain

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Originally Posted by Ran

Also, science has just as many theories and flaws as any religion on most comparable subjects. The creation of the world for example. Both science and religion have their stances of subjects and sometimes one will outweigh the other. When it comes to these things, it helps to have an open mind.

I disagree with this statement. Science says "We don't know how the universe was created but we have some theories that are not fully proven but have large amounts of evidence for them." Religion says "We know how the universe was created and we believe that no matter what evidence is contrary to it."

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Originally Posted by Ran

Oh, and just for the record, I'm agnostic. I do think that there's some sort of afterlife, reincarnation, or high power out there. I just don't know what and I don't pretend to know.:)

I used to be agnostic as well but the more I studied and the more I learned to not give in to what I wanted to be true, the harder time I had believing there could be a god (in the traditional sense). That being said, I do not look down on anyone for their beliefs as long as they are not harmful to others.
10-10-2007, 12:24 PM
bu villain

Also, Islam, Christianity, and Judiasm are all very new religions in the timeline of human history.
10-10-2007, 11:24 PM
{X}Echo419

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Originally Posted by umairejaz

If you look back in history, America doesn't have a strong back bone in sexual equality either. Even in our country just a few years back, women weren't allowed the right to vote nor own property or land. Sexual discrimination is nothing new and still exists even in America today. It may not be to as vivid as in other parts of the world but we are all still fighting this same problem. Wouldn't you agree?

10 to 1. vails and just basicly 2 class citizens. they really don't compare.
10-10-2007, 11:26 PM
{X}Echo419

btw: there's need s to be a serious condemnation of the Radical Islamofacist(or whatever you want to call them), terrorists or the World will always see Islam as a viloent oppresive religion. :2cents:
10-11-2007, 12:26 PM
bu villain

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

btw: there's need s to be a serious condemnation of the Radical Islamofacist(or whatever you want to call them), terrorists or the World will always see Islam as a viloent oppresive religion. :2cents:

There has been a lot of condemnation from governments, islamic groups, and others. I guess my question is, who do you think needs to condemn it that hasnt already? There is no central islamic figure like the catholic pope. Btw, this is not an attack just wondering if you had a certain group in mind.
10-11-2007, 05:39 PM
{X}Echo419

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Originally Posted by bu villain

There has been a lot of condemnation from governments, islamic groups, and others. I guess my question is, who do you think needs to condemn it that hasnt already? There is no central islamic figure like the catholic pope. Btw, this is not an attack just wondering if you had a certain group in mind.

I haven't seen any. instead I see people call for the head of a cartoonist or girls in Indonesia being shot for running out of a burning building without their head coverings on.
10-12-2007, 12:45 PM
bu villain

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

I haven't seen any. instead I see people call for the head of a cartoonist or girls in Indonesia being shot for running out of a burning building without their head coverings on.

Im confused, what does people being pissed off at a cartoonist have to do with denouncing terrorism? Back on the subject though, people saying "shooting schoolgirls is wrong" doesn't make the news. Fanatics making outrageous claims, people being shot and blown up, thats what makes the news.

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