um shoot myself ? yeah ..... come on in this thread and start a bit of an uproar. you seem to be okay at that .. you obviously know nothing or possibly a tidbit about either ..... actually every surfer i knew from my time living in hawaii was longboarding WITH a surfboard under 1 arm on the way to the beach....again.. its the same feel .......whether youre carving crete or a break....... oh yeah i wouldnt want to forget my lousy signoff .. "later,BG."