Does God Exist? - A mature discussion

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Originally Posted by Hulud

i knew this thread was just a ploy for you to srping on some random info that you think proves theres a god

but whatever

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:lmfao: :smileowne...

The thing that gets me is, if you believe in some type of god or God, have you really lost anything here in this life. Even if this is it and there is nothing else then in the grand scheme of things oh well you believed something that wasnt true and now your just as dead as the guy who didnt believe. But, if there is something else and you did have to have faith to get that something else then the guy who didnt believe is screwed. The way I see is if someone wants to believe their life will be no worse for believing so its like a win/win situation cause if your wrong your no worse off than the other guy.

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Originally Posted by Capt._Ron

The thing that gets me is, if you believe in some type of god or God, have you really lost anything here in this life. Even if this is it and there is nothing else then in the grand scheme of things oh well you believed something that wasnt true and now your just as dead as the guy who didnt believe. But, if there is something else and you did have to have faith to get that something else then the guy who didnt believe is screwed. The way I see is if someone wants to believe their life will be no worse for believing so its like a win/win situation cause if your wrong your no worse off than the other guy.

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you cant just believe in something that doesnt exist to you :doh:

About DNA

DNA is comprised of the DNA language and the DNA molecule. The molecule is the carrier for the code. Think of a book. The book is the carrier, and the information inside it is the code.

The DNA language is compreised of approximately 3 billion genetic letters. DNA stores the detailed instructions for assembling proteins in the form of a four-character digital code. The amount of information in human DNA is approximately equivalent to 12 encyclopedia sets, but it's actual size is approximately two millionths of a millimeter thick, and could contain all of the information needed to build the proteins for all of the species of organisms that have ever lived on the earth. The only other codes found to be true languages are all of human origin. Animal communications are considered to be low-level communications and are not considered to be languages. Computer codes are considered to be languages. DNA is so exact that it averages one error in 10 billion letters. If a mistake does occur in one of the most significant parts of the code, which is in the genes, it can cause a disease such as sickle-cell anemia. A human cannot type with only one mistake per 10 billion letters—you can tell in my typing. Believing that the code evolved by chance would break all the known rules of how matter, energy, and the laws of nature work.

6' of DNA coiled inside every one of our body's 100 trillion cells contains a 4 letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made. The ideal number of genetic letters in the DNA code for storage and translation, to meet the maximum effectiveness for copying, requires the number of letters in each genetic string to be an even number. Of all of the possible mathematical combinations, the ideal number for storage and transcription has been calculated to be 4 letters - and this is exactly what has been found in the genes of every living thing on earth.

Now, how can DNA exist without an intelligent being creating it? Evolution cannot explain it, so what theory can? This is one item in favor of there being an existence of a god.

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Originally Posted by Nick

I don't think that there's a god. Simply because I have never seen or read anything thats credible, to say there is. I don't trust what the bible says, to me its a ficton book. I can't by faith, i need facts.


Maybe I'm just judging the term of god by what I grew up with (chrstianity).

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nick on my sn bitch

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Originally Posted by Hulud

i knew this thread was just a ploy for you to srping on some random info that you think proves theres a god

but whatever

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I fully expect you to spring some forward that there is not a god. You generally do, so I will play devil's advocate - unless you want to prove that god exists - and then I prove he doesn't.;)

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Originally Posted by Hulud

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you cant just believe in something that doesnt exist to you :doh:

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That is a very true statement.

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Originally Posted by David88vert

I fully expect you to spring some forward that there is not a god. You generally do, so I will play devil's advocate - unless you want to prove that god exists - and then I prove he doesn't.;)

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but i dont set up threads with SOMEONE elses information at hand to post ;)

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Originally Posted by David88vert

About DNA

DNA is comprised of the DNA language and the DNA molecule. The molecule is the carrier for the code. Think of a book. The book is the carrier, and the information inside it is the code.

The DNA language is compreised of approximately 3 billion genetic letters. DNA stores the detailed instructions for assembling proteins in the form of a four-character digital code. The amount of information in human DNA is approximately equivalent to 12 encyclopedia sets, but it's actual size is approximately two millionths of a millimeter thick, and could contain all of the information needed to build the proteins for all of the species of organisms that have ever lived on the earth. The only other codes found to be true languages are all of human origin. Animal communications are considered to be low-level communications and are not considered to be languages. Computer codes are considered to be languages. DNA is so exact that it averages one error in 10 billion letters. If a mistake does occur in one of the most significant parts of the code, which is in the genes, it can cause a disease such as sickle-cell anemia. A human cannot type with only one mistake per 10 billion letters—you can tell in my typing. Believing that the code evolved by chance would break all the known rules of how matter, energy, and the laws of nature work.

6' of DNA coiled inside every one of our body's 100 trillion cells contains a 4 letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made. The ideal number of genetic letters in the DNA code for storage and translation, to meet the maximum effectiveness for copying, requires the number of letters in each genetic string to be an even number. Of all of the possible mathematical combinations, the ideal number for storage and transcription has been calculated to be 4 letters - and this is exactly what has been found in the genes of every living thing on earth.

Now, how can DNA exist without an intelligent being creating it? Evolution cannot explain it, so what theory can? This is one item in favor of there being an existence of a god.

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It's simple, evolution. DNA slowly evolves, learns, and changes to adapt to our lives and what we need to use most. Do you think DNA changes from one day to another? Does god just say, "man this code isn't working, lemme change it and see what happens." :screwy:

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Originally Posted by gtikid

"man this code isn't working, lemme change it and see what happens." :screwy:

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+1

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Originally Posted by gtikid

It's simple, evolution. DNA slowly evolves, learns, and changes to adapt to our lives and what we need to use most. Do you think DNA changes from one day to another? Does god just say, "man this code isn't working, lemme change it and see what happens." :screwy:

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not the evolution of it
how it got there in the first place moron :goodjob:

listen is god real or not. all we can do is go back and forth on what we believe, yes there is, no there isnt, i mean we can go at this for years, man already has. why go through this again and again, this just heats up stupid discussions. i believe this you believe this, you think your right , i think im right. so go ahead and believe what you want, block out the things you dont wanna hear just because you cant handle it, just b/c you wanna do what you want and u think no one can be better than you, gto ahead believe what yyou will, but one day once you grow up out this selfish state your in, youll realize whats what and then come talk to me.

but like i said this can go on forever so everyone miight as well say what they gotta say then part ways. and have fun talking about cars like what were here to do.

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Originally Posted by Lucky SC

not the evolution of it
how it got there in the first place moron :goodjob:

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you see this is what i love

because humans cant explain something, then the answer is GOD :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hulud

you see this is what i love

because humans cant explain something, then the answer is GOD :rolleyes:

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I feel the same way.

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Originally Posted by never2loud

listen is god real or not. all we can do is go back and forth on what we believe, yes there is, no there isnt, i mean we can go at this for years, man already has. why go through this again and again, this just heats up stupid discussions. i believe this you believe this, you think your right , i think im right. so go ahead and believe what you want, block out the things you dont wanna hear just because you cant handle it, just b/c you wanna do what you want and u think no one can be better than you, gto ahead believe what yyou will, but one day once you grow up out this selfish state your in, youll realize whats what and then come talk to me.

but like i said this can go on forever so everyone miight as well say what they gotta say then part ways. and have fun talking about cars like what were here to do.

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you are a joke, having this elitist ideal of beliving in your god

yet many others see you as feeble and needing a crutch

so yea someones selfish for not believing in your god :lmfao: :goodjob:

your not selfish for not believing in my god your selfish for believe that there isnt anything greater than you , you dont want to believe that there is something out there more powerful than you, pay attention to what i say dont just read with a closed mind ok i didnt say since you dont believe in god your selfish ,

sorry i meant something that is bigger than you and is something you cant control, something that you cant even come close to fathom

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Originally Posted by never2loud

your not selfish for not believing in my god your selfish for believe that there isnt anything greater than you , you dont want to believe that there is something out there more powerful than you, pay attention to what i say dont just read with a closed mind ok i didnt say since you dont believe in god your selfish ,

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maybe if you used correct punctuation it would help to prevent errors :doh:

writing as a run-on sentance is overrated :goodjob:

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Originally Posted by never2loud

sorry i meant something that is bigger than you and is something you cant control, something that you cant even come close to fathom

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might have helped if you said that too, rather than 'better'

But everyone in the world wabts facts facts and more facts , they want proof, they wanna see with their own eyes , they wanna see a blind man have his sight come back again with just snap of a finger or prayer they wanna see waters part at a mans request, when Christianity and god isnt something you believe in because of the facts, Christianity and God is something you believe in b/c of faith, and you cant compare faith vs. fact, no some believers may not agree b/c it sounds like im saying there isnt anything that proves of gods existense. no im saying that if you just change your life and beliefs just b/c you saw proof on the news or read it in a book , then your wrong. its all about faith, feeling it in your heart and until you feel it in your heart then you dont know and never will. soemone else cant tell you that something you felt isnt real, noo one on here can tell me that i havent feet god in my heart. and you know what thats all i need, so if your waiting for man to discover the truth with factual evidence that god is real then it will be too late. so please dont compare faith / fact.

i know my writing sucks after using text messaging on my phone it has killed my writing, im too used to running on & on an using "u" instead of "you" so bare with me im trying to stop.

ya

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Originally Posted by never2loud

But everyone in the world wabts facts facts and more facts , they want proof, they wanna see with their own eyes , they wanna see a blind man have his sight come back again with just snap of a finger or prayer they wanna see waters part at a mans request, when Christianity and god isnt something you believe in because of the facts, Christianity and God is something you believe in b/c of faith, and you cant compare faith vs. fact, no some believers may not agree b/c it sounds like im saying there isnt anything that proves of gods existense. no im saying that if you just change your life and beliefs just b/c you saw proof on the news or read it in a book , then your wrong. its all about faith, feeling it in your heart and until you feel it in your heart then you dont know and never will. soemone else cant tell you that something you felt isnt real, noo one on here can tell me that i havent feet god in my heart. and you know what thats all i need, so if your waiting for man to discover the truth with factual evidence that god is real then it will be too late. so please dont compare faith / fact.

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so you need no proof to believe in something?

no ive got my proof i told you already, but i dont expect you to listen. what im saying is if most people, are not believing in god b/c its not wrote out page for page that god is real, and if ur waiting to see it on the news that they have facts that god is real, then your not doing it for the right reasons anyways, the only fact youll get is by living the life, and if you all would truly live the path then you would have all the fact you need, and actually it wil be stronger than a fact , so once you do that and you still dont have your proof, then write what you want about this. but all i know is how i feel and what i know gods has done in my life. and plus im walking proof of god. and trust me, my life hasnt been easy. at one time i thought god was a bully on a ant hill, i have a seriouse medical condition on my leg that ive had for five years, i went to Mayo clinic in rodchester minnesotta, which is the one of the top best medical facility in the world, and they couldnt heal me, they pretty much said i was gonna lose my legs, but i finally begin coming around to god, and believing that he was my only chance ive had hundreds of doctors try to heal me, and nothing, not until i began believing in god , and feeling his life in mine, then my leg bgan healing, im not lying for those that know me they understand and theyve seen. but i dont expect u to read this and become saved , all im saying is dont compare fact and faith.

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Originally Posted by Lucky SC

not the evolution of it
how it got there in the first place moron :goodjob:

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You get mad when you can't back up what your trying to prove right?

Now your making it seem like god was a master programmer. First he was a scientist now he was a master program who wrote the code of DNA. It evolved into what it is now. Slowly but surely. It started out small and slowly is perfecting itself over years and years. Or do you supposed god was like "k humans this is your first strand of dna and i'll just change it as i see fit and whenever i wanna have some fun."

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Originally Posted by never2loud

no ive got my proof i told you already, but i dont expect you to listen. what im saying is if most people, are not believing in god b/c its not wrote out page for page that god is real, and if ur waiting to see it on the news that they have facts that god is real, then your not doing it for the right reasons anyways, the only fact youll get is by living the life, and if you all would truly live the path then you would have all the fact you need, and actually it wil be stronger than a fact , so once you do that and you still dont have your proof, then write what you want about this. but all i know is how i feel and what i know gods has done in my life. and plus im walking proof of god. and trust me, my life hasnt been easy. at one time i thought god was a bully on a ant hill, i have a seriouse medical condition on my leg that ive had for five years, i went to Mayo clinic in rodchester minnesotta, which is the one of the top best medical facility in the world, and they couldnt heal me, they pretty much said i was gonna lose my legs, but i finally begin coming around to god, and believing that he was my only chance ive had hundreds of doctors try to heal me, and nothing, not until i began believing in god , and feeling his life in mine, then my leg bgan healing, im not lying for those that know me they understand and theyve seen. but i dont expect u to read this and become saved , all im saying is dont compare fact and faith.

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Seems like you just ended up going to a smarter doctor :lmfao:

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Originally Posted by Hulud

but i dont set up threads with SOMEONE elses information at hand to post ;)

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Nope, didn't have it before I posted. Knew what I was going to post though. I have been on both sides of the argument numerous times and have tons of data to access.

So, care to switch sides? You provide content for the existence of a god, and I disprove the existence? Could get interesting...:D

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Originally Posted by gtikid

It's simple, evolution. DNA slowly evolves, learns, and changes to adapt to our lives and what we need to use most. Do you think DNA changes from one day to another? Does god just say, "man this code isn't working, lemme change it and see what happens." :screwy:

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Obviously, you are mentally challenged. It is not possible for evolution to create a language. There has to be intelligence. You obviously have none. Read it again. Evolution is not a plausible answer. Even evolutionary scientists claim that they don't even have a hypothesis for it yet. Do you know something they don't? Can you back up your statement that it is evolution with some instances of DNA changing by the process of evolution?

i haven't read the entire thread but is the question god or GOD (as in christian GOD)? does the christian idea of god exsist No.

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Originally Posted by David88vert

Obviously, you are mentally challenged.

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So much for the notion of a "mature" discussion. :rolleyes:

I guess we can all regurgitate crap from answersingenesis.org.

It's really pointless to attempt to have a discussion with person that doesn't know the difference b/w evolution and abiogenesis.

i havent read the whole thread but i believe in God and Jesus, and he has blessed me in so many ways

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Originally Posted by joesblk_teg

i havent read the whole thread but i believe in God and Jesus, and he has blessed me in so many ways

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mAN i am a 100% with u :goodjob: The best i have seen in this thread.

Dang we no these guy's need him.....

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I know I believe there's something greater than this. It's all in how you base your logics and how you see life. Several people in my family are Jewish, I just can't bring myself to follow religion as much as they do. I believe and I live my life.

So we know that there are a lot of people who are ripping David88vert for supplying some scientific hypothesi(plural of hypothesis??) for the existence of intelligent design. How about, Hulud, you provide a hypothesis for the existence of random creation or design.

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Originally Posted by David88vert

Obviously, you are mentally challenged. It is not possible for evolution to create a language. There has to be intelligence. You obviously have none. Read it again. Evolution is not a plausible answer. Even evolutionary scientists claim that they don't even have a hypothesis for it yet. Do you know something they don't? Can you back up your statement that it is evolution with some instances of DNA changing by the process of evolution?

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Like Hulud said before, all your doing is saying god is behind something you can't explain. Why wouldn't DNA be able to create language? It'll slowly EVOLVE with time. As DNA grows and evolves so do we, and we get smarter. Hell language itself has evolved and changed over time. Go back and read some original english texts from about mmmm 300 years ago and I GUARANTEE you won't be able to read it much less understand it. It's slowly changed into what we know today. Do you seriously believe it just popped up out of nowhere and people have been saying the samething since then?

Oh and so much for a "mature" conversation. I mean if you want, we can just turn this into a big pissing contest since thats the only thing you seem to be good at since your not getting your point across too good.

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Originally Posted by Capt._Ron

So we know that there are a lot of people who are ripping David88vert for supplying some scientific hypothesi(plural of hypothesis??) for the existence of intelligent design. How about, Hulud, you provide a hypothesis for the existence of random creation or design.

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If your looking for this, go read the big bang theory thread

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Originally Posted by sirkus34

I know I believe there's something greater than this. It's all in how you base your logics and how you see life. Several people in my family are Jewish, I just can't bring myself to follow religion as much as they do. I believe and I live my life.

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:goodjob: +1

:yes: gotta love these threads...

I will add this: whether or not someone believes there is or isn't a God, that will always be a personal experience. Someone can tell you about God 'til they're blue in the face, but nothing will change until you've experienced God for yourself. And let me tell you this: I freakin' hate when someone's beliefs are forced on you--be it whatever.

It is a personal choice to even go and seek out whether or not there is or isn't a God. Arguements (sp) are worthless. You will find out for yourself, if you choose--trust me.

Carry on. :yes: