but as far as PDA phones from cingular, the 8525 is the best, the nokia e61 is pretty nice too. ive never been a fan of pda/smart phones because every one ive had has had glitches and major fuckups, just comes with the territory of having a small computer lol. the treo, sidekick 3, mda (which is the previous version of 8525) have all fucked up on me