Results 1 to 18 of 18

Thread: Harrassing harmless photographers *News Story*

  1. #1
    The One and Only Nemesis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Buckhead
    Age
    42
    Posts
    25,171
    Rep Power
    62

    Default Harrassing harmless photographers *News Story*

    What is your take on it after reading this? It is a good and interesting read. Dont ask for Cliff notes or ill negative rep you, if you have ADD that bad hit Alt+F4.

    Seattle Student Detained for Photography Assignment
    Calls to the Homeland Security Department were not immediately returned.
    SEATTLE (AP) - Ian Spiers had just hours to finish an assignment for his photography class. He was taking shots of a railroad bridge near the Ballard Locks when an officer with a German shepherd approached him, asked him what he was doing and requested some ID.

    Later, he was questioned and photographed by a Homeland Security agent.

    It was the second time in less than two months that Spiers had been questioned about taking pictures of a landmark that attracts hundreds of tourists a day, many of whom snap photos of the ships passing between Lake Union and Elliott Bay.

    A growing number of photographers around the country have been similarly rousted in recent years as they've tried to take pictures of federal buildings and other major public works, said Donald Winslow, editor of the National Press Photographers Association's magazine.

    "We've seen the constant erosion of our civil liberties amid this cry for homeland security by doing things that have an appearance of making us safe, but in reality it's a sham," Winslow said. "No one showed up at the World Trade Center and took photographs from nine different angles before they flew planes into it."

    The morning of May 26, Spiers explained he was a photography student at a community college, showed a copy of his assignment, then asked the officer if he was legally obligated to show his ID.

    The officer said no and walked away. But soon after, several armed officers approached him, including three from the Seattle Police Department and three from the federal Homeland Security Department.

    "I was trying to be calm, but the truth was I was scared out of my mind," Spiers said.

    This time, Spiers said, a Seattle police officer told him he had no choice but to show his ID. A Homeland Security agent who flashed his badge told him he had broken a law by taking pictures of a federal facility.

    "We've never seen such a law," said Doug Honig, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union in Seattle.

    Spiers said he complied, spent half an hour answering questions and let a Homeland Security agent photograph him - after being told he had no choice.

    The ACLU has written the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which owns and runs the locks, asking for the agency's assurance that Spiers will not be arrested if he returns there.

    Corps spokeswoman Patricia Graesser said her agency had no involvement in the incident and questioned an order Spiers said a homeland security agent gave him - that he could not return to the locks with his camera without getting permission in advance.

    "Everyone - all members of the public - are welcome on the locks property, and photographs are allowed, and there's no need to get prior permission," she said.

    Seattle police spokesman Sean Whitcomb said the department has a duty to respond to reports of suspicious activity.

    Calls to the Homeland Security Department were not immediately returned.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, Spiers kept his distance from the spot where he was questioned, and wore a button on his camera bag that said: "Annoying but harmless photography student. Do not bend." He made it in early April, after two police officers showed up at his door, saying they were responding to a report about a suspicious man taking pictures at the locks.

    Spiers said he'd like to hear one of the officers who questioned him say if they hassled him because his mocha-colored skin and short black hair made him look like a terrorist.

    "I'm trying to figure out how not to attract attention," said Spiers, 36. "So far the only thing I can think of is that I can never ever pick up a camera."

    In early June, about 100 photographers crowded onto New York City subway trains and snapped pictures of each other in protest of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's proposed ban on photography in subways and other public transit.

    And Brian Fitzgerald, the chief photographer at the Yakima Herald-Republic, said a uniformed security officer tried to prevent him from taking a picture of an immigration office, citing a "law," then calling it a "directive" that gave the officer the right to confiscate any film with pictures of a federal facility.

    An officer in charge eventually let him take his photos, and he's since been told there's no reason he can't take them.

    "It's frustrating mostly," Fitzgerald said. "I'm not outraged because I didn't get to the point where I didn't get my photos. It just reminds me again how much disinformation there is, even in these agencies that are supposed to know."

  2. #2
    802.11 GGGG-Unit Fro Rly! Mr_Mischif's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    College Park
    Age
    34
    Posts
    3,577
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    I'm moving to Canada soon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky SC
    so let me get this straight.
    u hate black people...
    so you went to africa?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho
    As a white male, I am genetically afraid of black people
    "DON'T FLOOD THE CAR PICS SECTION WITH YOUR BULLSHIT
    FORMULA D PICS" SQUAD MEMBER


  3. #3
    Delightfully Creepy Ran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Kennesaw, Ga
    Posts
    19,885
    Rep Power
    46

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Mischif
    I'm moving to Canada soon.
    I'm headed to Japan. Keep in touch.

  4. #4
    a tru OG,.. ask somebody
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    lake lanier/cumming
    Age
    45
    Posts
    5,960
    Rep Power
    32

    Default

    if he showed his ID int eh first place and wasnt acting like he was trying to hide something.. he wouldnt have had a problem!

    i would be glad if someone did that to me.. (woulda shown ID though) they are trying to protect us from terrorist's trying to cause harm to the US people..

    abide by the rules, and its simple!
    Jimmy Blair II
    www.Pinnacleracing.com
    01 Tahoe w/ 'sclade stuff
    99 Grand Cherokee

  5. #5
    The One and Only Nemesis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Buckhead
    Age
    42
    Posts
    25,171
    Rep Power
    62

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy B
    if he showed his ID int eh first place and wasnt acting like he was trying to hide something.. he wouldnt have had a problem!

    i would be glad if someone did that to me.. (woulda shown ID though) they are trying to protect us from terrorist's trying to cause harm to the US people..

    abide by the rules, and its simple!

    Where are these rules outlined?

    I was approached by Federal police officers near the Courthouse and I was on an adjacent street near by taking photos of a car. Wasnt being sneaky about it, nor trying to hide anything. The Fed took my camera looked it over, kept me for about 20 minutes, and even after showing my Military ID card, still gave me a hassle even though it was on a PUBLIC street.

    So where do we draw the line? A 85 year old man got put in jail becuase he was taking photos of a building with an American flag. Yet there were no signs posted anywhere that any form of that activity was prohibited. Man, I guess they are trying to protect us from terrorists. Guess there were photographers taking photos of the World Trade Trade center from 9 different angles before the planes flew into them? Seriously, where is the line drawn from violating liberties to protecting people.

  6. #6
    a tru OG,.. ask somebody
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    lake lanier/cumming
    Age
    45
    Posts
    5,960
    Rep Power
    32

    Default

    9-11 is WHY they are suspicious of peopel taking pictures of govt buildings, or bigger buildings... they are jsut trying to look out for ya man..
    Jimmy Blair II
    www.Pinnacleracing.com
    01 Tahoe w/ 'sclade stuff
    99 Grand Cherokee

  7. #7
    Domestic Power R.Kelly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Stockbridge
    Age
    37
    Posts
    3,059
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    it may be annoying to be questioned and stuff but as long as he wasnt beaten its all good

  8. #8
    The One and Only Nemesis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Buckhead
    Age
    42
    Posts
    25,171
    Rep Power
    62

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by R.Kelly
    it may be annoying to be questioned and stuff but as long as he wasnt beaten its all good

    A lot of you all don't read the reports of cops smashing cameras, holding photographers in jail until they are questioned, and a bunch of other things that go way beyond what they should be doing, all in the name of what? Security? Yeah, that's like saying no cop is crooked and profiling doesnt happen.

  9. #9
    Domestic Power R.Kelly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Stockbridge
    Age
    37
    Posts
    3,059
    Rep Power
    23

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Nemesis
    A lot of you all don't read the reports of cops smashing cameras, holding photographers in jail until they are questioned, and a bunch of other things that go way beyond what they should be doing, all in the name of what? Security? Yeah, that's like saying no cop is crooked and profiling doesnt happen.
    my point didnt get across, that getting pestered is against his rights and it is complete bullshit that they fuck with photographers, but im sure he was treated a whole lot better than some others that have been in his situation

  10. #10
    I can has swagger? TeeJay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Charlotte
    Age
    45
    Posts
    12,782
    Rep Power
    34

    Default

    In early June, about 100 photographers crowded onto New York City subway trains and snapped pictures of each other in protest of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's proposed ban on photography in subways and other public transit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rican219
    I put puto in my iphone and it changed it to Brett....wtf?!

  11. #11
    a tru OG,.. ask somebody
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    lake lanier/cumming
    Age
    45
    Posts
    5,960
    Rep Power
    32

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TeeJay
    In early June, about 100 photographers crowded onto New York City subway trains and snapped pictures of each other in protest of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's proposed ban on photography in subways and other public transit.

    but they were being taken for myspace!! so its al emo, i mean good!
    Jimmy Blair II
    www.Pinnacleracing.com
    01 Tahoe w/ 'sclade stuff
    99 Grand Cherokee

  12. #12
    what
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Westside LA
    Age
    49
    Posts
    1,321
    Rep Power
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy B
    9-11 is WHY they are suspicious of peopel taking pictures of govt buildings, or bigger buildings... they are jsut trying to look out for ya man..
    Shut up, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. What kind of terrorist walks around with a huge fucking DSLR camera in the middle of the day taking pictures? Not only that, all you have to do is a Google image search to find as many pictures of any building you want.

  13. #13
    Stacks on deck. imbosile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Roswell, GA / Georgia Tech
    Age
    37
    Posts
    6,277
    Rep Power
    29

    Default

    wow, i didn't know stuff like that actually happened. that's a lot stricter than i realized

  14. #14
    look here, bish Stormhammer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Lawrenceville, GA
    Age
    38
    Posts
    9,288
    Rep Power
    35

    Default

    well, look at it this way, you harass little girls, so the police harass you, fair and square


    ̿' ̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(•̪●)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿

  15. #15
    .:driftMechaniks:com:. down_shift's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Marietta
    Posts
    1,353
    Rep Power
    24

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy B
    abide by the rules, and its simple!
    Exactly, we should all show unquestioning obedience to our government. That always works.

  16. #16
    what
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Westside LA
    Age
    49
    Posts
    1,321
    Rep Power
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by down_shift
    Exactly, we should all show unquestioning obedience to our government. That always works.
    yes! Ask the Jews how it worked out for them in Germany!

  17. #17
    The One and Only Nemesis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Buckhead
    Age
    42
    Posts
    25,171
    Rep Power
    62

    Default

    lol

  18. #18
    Senior Member | IA Veteran Kyle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Buckhead
    Posts
    7,405
    Rep Power
    30

    Default

    I am really surprised no one has asked for cliff notes.

    But that was interesting.
    ***Lotus Elise***

    BlackWatchRacing
    /Sector111/Larini Exhausts/Difflow Diffusers/Classic Livery of Atlanta Paint/APR Performance

    Quote Originally Posted by E36slide View Post
    I may not be as book savey as the next guy but i posses a vast knowledge based street smarts.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
ImportAtlanta is a community of gearheads and car enthusiasts. It does not matter what kind of car or bike you drive, IA is an open community for any gearhead. Whether you're looking for advice on a performance build or posting your wheels for sale, you're welcome here!
Announcement
Welcome back to ImportAtlanta. We are currently undergoing many changes, so please report any issues you encounter with the site using the 'Contact Us' button below. Thank you!