Thanks to the 350z.......

[1SICKLEX]

that's amouth full lol...they just need to stick with the 2JZ engine latform IMO..instead of making a great Import car into a wanna be Domestic V-8 car...but that's jsut what i think lol

2JZ is very dead.
1. Not emissions friendly
2. Heavy (Lexus V-8 only 2lbs heavier)
3. I-6 is less compact, so it makes design tougher (need a long hood)

I mean, the engine is a Legend, no doubt. It's time has passed though.....

[Mr_Mischif]

2JZ is very dead.
1. Not emissions friendly
2. Heavy (Lexus V-8 only 2lbs heavier)
3. I-6 is less compact, so it makes design tougher (need a long hood)

I mean, the engine is a Legend, no doubt. It's time has passed though.....

So they can't revamp it? They're probably going to sell it at a loss anyway, but they can take it. I mean damn, if tuners can make 600HP supras street-legal, you mean to tell me that Toyota can't make the 2JZ lighter and emission friendly? That just doesn't sound right. And they know nobody will like a boostless supra.

[1SICKLEX]

So they can't revamp it? They're probably going to sell it at a loss anyway, but they can take it. I mean damn, if tuners can make 600HP supras street-legal, you mean to tell me that Toyota can't make the 2JZ lighter and emission friendly? That just doesn't sound right. And they know nobody will like a boostless supra.

We are in the technology age. The 2JZ unboosted makes 225hp. The new Toyota 3.5 with direct injection and dual VVTi makes 306hp and is ULEV II certified. Most new engines have some sort of aluminum. The 2JZ is an iron block beast!

The 350Z is not boosted from the factory, its engine is shared in every Nissan, from the Quest to Murano to Altima to FX 35 etc. The aftermarket boosted it.

The 350Z 3.5 makes 300hp. The twin turbo 3.0 V-6 300ZX made 300hp....

[BTLFED]

We are in the technology age. The 2JZ unboosted makes 225hp. The new Toyota 3.5 with direct injection and dual VVTi makes 306hp and is ULEV II certified. Most new engines have some sort of aluminum. The 2JZ is an iron block beast!

The 350Z is not boosted from the factory, its engine is shared in every Nissan, from the Quest to Murano to Altima to FX 35 etc. The aftermarket boosted it.

The 350Z 3.5 makes 300hp. The twin turbo 3.0 V-6 300ZX made 300hp....

Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.

RX7, Twin Turbo -> RX8, Non Turbo (granted, that engine is a pile of shit)

300Z, Twin Turbo -> 350Z, Non Turbo

Don't get me wrong, I love the 2JZ as much as anybody, but there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.

Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.

[The Golden Child]

Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.

RX7, Twin Turbo -> RX8, Non Turbo (granted, that engine is a pile of shit)

300Z, Twin Turbo -> 350Z, Non Turbo

Don't get me wrong, I love the 2JZ as much as anybody, but there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.

Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.

then soon robots are gunna take over ..

[ahmonrah]

then soon robots are gunna take over ..

....and beta vcr's are gonna kick blue ray ass!!

[Kevykev]

Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.

Good Point!!! with the exception of mazda. They're still upholding their heritage with the MAZDASPEED Packages and the New CX-7
.

[JITB]

Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.

RX7, Twin Turbo -> RX8, Non Turbo (granted, that engine is a pile of shit)

300Z, Twin Turbo -> 350Z, Non Turbo

Don't get me wrong, I love the 2JZ as much as anybody, but there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.

Which brings me to another point to ponder: Has anyone else noticed that manufacturers that were known for big turbo cars (Mazda, Nissan) have gone to N/A, and two of the masters of N/A (Honda, BMW) are now producing turbo cars? The times they are a changin, my friends.

wait the renesis makes about as much as the fd tt made stock... thats a big step for a rotary..

[Jecht]

Another car I can't afford. Yay.

[Z32redondo]

Import with v-8 = poo...I say just make improvements on the 2jz or design a new inline 6 twin turbo...Or maybe just make it straonger and try to get a tri-turbo or some crazy shit to revolutionize import engines. If they had 3 turbos that would definately make them a bigger player in the car game against the Z, and rx8, and maybe the gtr. Not to mention a v-8 is going to suck with gas mileage. Just a quick thought but im tired so dont take it too seriously.

[BTLFED]

wait the renesis makes about as much as the fd tt made stock... thats a big step for a rotary..

And they have a recall on the LONG BLOCK in the RX8. My buddy is a tech at Mazda and he has actually had an RX8 completely stock, never beaten on, with 24k miles......on its 4th long block. That engine is garbage.

[JITB]

And they have a recall on the LONG BLOCK in the RX8. My buddy is a tech at Mazda and he has actually had an RX8 completely stock, never beaten on, with 24k miles......on its 4th long block. That engine is garbage.

its no worse than the previous 13b's and their issues.. .. and besides its a rotary whats a rotary wihtout problems. But back to the point, the renesis makes almost as much power as the 13bt did, and the 13b is no bulletproof sonder itself.

[Mr_Mischif]

We are in the technology age. The 2JZ unboosted makes 225hp. The new Toyota 3.5 with direct injection and dual VVTi makes 306hp and is ULEV II certified. Most new engines have some sort of aluminum. The 2JZ is an iron block beast!

But who's to say that's bad? The evo has a cast-iron block, and it's packed with technology

The 350Z is not boosted from the factory, its engine is shared in every Nissan, from the Quest to Murano to Altima to FX 35 etc. The aftermarket boosted it.

Let's not forget that the 2JZ was in the IS300, albeit in unboosted form. And the SR20DE was in the 200SX along with the Silvia.

Exactly. None of the Japanese tuning "legends" have come back here with a turbo.

And who's to say Toyota won't start the revolution?

there is no way Toyota is going to bring back the Supra with a heavy ass iron block in the nose. Especially with all of the technology these days.

Like I said before, the evo has an iron block and it does well for itself. And you can't call the RX8 the RX7's successor, unless you mean only in name, they're realy two different beings.

[1SICKLEX]

But who's to say that's bad? The evo has a cast-iron block, and it's packed with technology



Let's not forget that the 2JZ was in the IS300, albeit in unboosted form. And the SR20DE was in the 200SX along with the Silvia.



And who's to say Toyota won't start the revolution?



Like I said before, the evo has an iron block and it does well for itself. And you can't call the RX8 the RX7's successor, unless you mean only in name, they're realy two different beings.

Calm down, no one is saying an iron block or your EVO engine is bad.....Hell the EVO engine is a technological masterpiece, in 400FQ or 360FQ form, pushing that much power (400/360) with 2 liters!!!