Proof that God exists...

[Ruiner]

Marinate on this for a while...

0/=1

This is a simplest form of the case for god. 1 represents something, 0 of course represents nothing. Nothing can not spawn something. But apparently this has happened. One day energy just existed. this equation shows that this is impossible. However if you consider a supernatural being, not bound by the laws of the universe, it becomes possible. Our existence today proves this to be true. 0 can not multiply, it can not become one, it can only be 0. 1 however is a representation of the existence of energy. it can mean both one proton, or 1 can mean all of the matter within the universe.. both are equally impossible..
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This is the simplest form to represet time. Regardless of its scale, it moves in one direction, and can be traced back to a beginning. This diagram is a representation of the entire span of time from begining until end, theoretically speaking. if we trace time all the way back to the beginning we will arrive at creation. the day 0 multiplied.

It is often debated that the universe simply has always existed, and will always continue to exist.

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This theory would be represented by the illustration above. To say that time has always existed is to say that regardless of scale (meaning each "-" could equal 1 day, or one hundred billion trillion years) time can not be traced back to a beginning. This however, we can simply determine is false, because that means that time must be moving forward at an equal rate to itself traveling backward infinately. This is impossible simply because we know time is moving forward. As i am typing, each letter is a representation of the past chronologically ordered by the order in which i pressed the key. The theory of forever and always is in direct contradiction to causality. the simply fact that i can watch a clock tick continuously in the same direction and the same rate, shows that time is moving in one direction. otherwise, time wouldnt move at all.

So simply God must exist. However, to what degree he plays a role in our lives is up for debate. Atheism, as this proves, is a direct contradiction to both reality, and mathematics.

I say lets do away with atheist snobbery, and start to question ourselves in a realm of god. As historians use ancient art to understand an era, we too , i believe, can use the universe (gods creation) as a representation of his being. If we consider all matter in the same sense that we evaluate a clay pot from and ancient civilization, we can theorize about the being of god. Something i find much more critical to the philosophical and moral advancement of humans, than the question "does god exist".

[2.0civic]

intresting

[Scrappy]

thats nifty ruiner! mr smarty

[Sammich]

repost since creation

[{X}Echo419]

Marinate on this for a while...

0/=1

This is a simplest form of the case for god. 1 represents something, 0 of course represents nothing. Nothing can not spawn something. But apparently this has happened. One day energy just existed. this equation shows that this is impossible. However if you consider a supernatural being, not bound by the laws of the universe, it becomes possible. Our existence today proves this to be true. 0 can not multiply, it can not become one, it can only be 0. 1 however is a representation of the existence of energy. it can mean both one proton, or 1 can mean all of the matter within the universe.. both are equally impossible...

I argued with someone for about 10 pages about this. all they did was tell me I had the wrong guy(the scientist with the theory).
it's funny; the same science people use to base their claims there is no "God" is the same science that says that's imposible.

good post

[Ruiner]

I argued with someone for about 10 pages about this. all they did was tell me I had the wrong guy(the scientist with the theory).
it's funny; the same science people use to base their claims there is no "God" is the same science that says that's imposible.

good post

Here is the whole problem with science: we base our knowledge on what we know, right? Well, what if what we know isn't absolute and 100% correct? There could be more to know, but we just haven't found out about it yet. Makes you wonder, huh?

[ahmonrah]

Here is the whole problem with science: we base our knowledge on what we know, right? Well, what if what we know isn't absolute and 100% correct? There could be more to know, but we just haven't found out about it yet. Makes you wonder, huh?

true.......but that is the reason we all should continue looking for the truth.

[RandomGuy]

god = 10th dimension. lolol

[PhAtBoYMr2]

god does exist. he post on importatlanta.

[AB3dj]

here's some more proof




etc etc

[Sammich]

here's some more proof




etc etc

thats not proof..this is proof

[RandomGuy]

thats not proof..this is proof

[TheSnail]

Log of 0 = 1

[RandomGuy]

Log of 0 = 1

x^0 = 1

[TheSnail]

^^^ Hell yeah. Counter proof ftw

[RandomGuy]

^^^ Hell yeah. Counter proof ftw

lolol we debunked ruiner FTW


ha ha JK man

[wes_297]

good post. makes alot of sense

[Blitanicle99]

Strangly enough, not being crazy here but theres a guy I know. His name is Will (DR) Craig and he has multiple degrees in phylossify (sp?). Anyways he comes to town once a year to talk to churchs and what not. Now I rarely go to church but I do to see this guy. He basicly goes through a 3 hour talk about how you can prove god exists. Any question that comes up with any little smart ass he completely blows their mind and these people are silent as the wind. Its amazing.
For instance at a particular event some emo gothic kids came and were writing notes and what not to prove this guy wrong. At the end these two were dealing out question after question and by the end of the show they both accepted god into their life. It was truely amazing.
If anyone is interested read "The case for christ" by lee stobel. Its possibly one of the most interesting books ive ever read in my life. Its about a guy who goes around the world tracking down people just like Dr. Craig and interviewing them journal style about why god has to exist. Its like meeting all these ridiculously smart people in a book. Makes you think alot kind of book.

[MachNU]

Heres one for you then Runier....God says that he created animals first...then to govern the animals he then Created Adam followed by Eve.....if that is true....where did the first signs of life come from and animals!!!! You answer me that, and you've got my vote!

[RISKYB]

good post and a very intresting one too, but way to deep for a friday night....lol

[thecrazyone]

Marinate on this for a while...

0/=1

This is a simplest form of the case for god. 1 represents something, 0 of course represents nothing. Nothing can not spawn something. But apparently this has happened. One day energy just existed. this equation shows that this is impossible. However if you consider a supernatural being, not bound by the laws of the universe, it becomes possible. Our existence today proves this to be true. 0 can not multiply, it can not become one, it can only be 0. 1 however is a representation of the existence of energy. it can mean both one proton, or 1 can mean all of the matter within the universe.. both are equally impossible..
.

|------------------------------>

This is the simplest form to represet time. Regardless of its scale, it moves in one direction, and can be traced back to a beginning. This diagram is a representation of the entire span of time from begining until end, theoretically speaking. if we trace time all the way back to the beginning we will arrive at creation. the day 0 multiplied.

It is often debated that the universe simply has always existed, and will always continue to exist.

<-------------->

This theory would be represented by the illustration above. To say that time has always existed is to say that regardless of scale (meaning each "-" could equal 1 day, or one hundred billion trillion years) time can not be traced back to a beginning. This however, we can simply determine is false, because that means that time must be moving forward at an equal rate to itself traveling backward infinately. This is impossible simply because we know time is moving forward. As i am typing, each letter is a representation of the past chronologically ordered by the order in which i pressed the key. The theory of forever and always is in direct contradiction to causality. the simply fact that i can watch a clock tick continuously in the same direction and the same rate, shows that time is moving in one direction. otherwise, time wouldnt move at all.

So simply God must exist. However, to what degree he plays a role in our lives is up for debate. Atheism, as this proves, is a direct contradiction to both reality, and mathematics.

I say lets do away with atheist snobbery, and start to question ourselves in a realm of god. As historians use ancient art to understand an era, we too , i believe, can use the universe (gods creation) as a representation of his being. If we consider all matter in the same sense that we evaluate a clay pot from and ancient civilization, we can theorize about the being of god. Something i find much more critical to the philosophical and moral advancement of humans, than the question "does god exist".

Whoever wrote this knows nothing about quantum physics and should not speak as though they do. Time stretches across SEVERAL dimensions. It would be silly to postulate that time can ONLY be linear.

Lets do away with christian ignorance. How about that?

it is perfectly impossible to believe in what one does not understand. Between understanding and faith immediate connections must subsist; understanding is the very lifeblood of faith; where understanding has ceased, faith is dead; and when they who are in such a case proclaim they have faith, they deceive. You yourself, preacher, I defy you to believe in the god you predicate to me - you must fail because you cannot demonstrate him to me, because it is not in you to define him to me, because consequently you do not understand him - because as of the moment you do not understand him, you can no longer furnish me any reasonable argument concerning him, and because, in sum, anything beyond the limits and grasp of the human mind is either illusion or futility; and because your god having to be one or the other of the two, in the first instance I should be mad to believe in him, in the second a fool. My friend, prove to me that matter is inert and I will grant you a creator, prove to me that Nature does not suffice to herself and I’ll let you imagine her ruled by a higher force; until then, expect nothing from me, I bow to evidence only, and evidence I perceive only through my senses: my belief goes no farther than they, beyond that point my faith collapses. I believe in the sun because I see it, I conceive it as the focal center of all the inflammable matter in Nature, its periodic movement pleases but does not amaze me. ‘Tis a machanical operation, perhaps as simple as the workings of electricity, but which we are unable to understand. Need I bother more about it? when you have roofed everthing over with your god, will I be any the better off? and shall I still not have to make an effort at least as great to understand the artisan as to define his handiwork? By edifying your chimera it is thus no service you have rendered me, you have made me uneasy in my mind but you have not enlightened it, and instead of gratitude I owe you resentment. You god is a machine you fabricated in your passions’ behalf, you manipulated it to their liking; but the day it interfered with mine, I kicked it out of my way, deem it fitting that I did so; and now, at this moment when I sink and my soul stands in need of calm and philosophy, belabor it not with your riddles and your cant, which alarm but will not convince it, which will irritate without improving it; good friends and on the best terms have we ever been, this soul and I, so Nature wished it to be; as it is, so she expressly modeled it, for my soul is the result of the dispositions she formed in me pursuant to her own ends and needs; and as she has an equal need of vices and virtues, whenever she was pleased to move me to evil, she did so, whenever she wanted a good deed from me, she roused in me the desire to perform one, and even so I did as I was bid. Look nowhere but to her workings for the unique cause of our fickle human behavior, and in her laws hope to find no other springs than her will and her requirements.

Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man - Marquis De Sade, 1782

[AB3dj]

^^^ i'm gonna get back to this post (on a serious note) when it's not 12:30 on a friday night. i didn't read all of that but so far i agree.

[Stormhammer]

Whoever wrote this knows nothing about quantum physics and should not speak as though they do. Time stretches across SEVERAL dimensions. It would be silly to postulate that time can ONLY be linear.

In all fairness, it would be just as silly to postulate that time isn't linear. This thing could really go into a debate on quantum mechanics and the like, but since thats still a relatively new area and unknown study, for what we know, what Ruiner posted is a pretty nice explanation. If its right or wrong, thats up for you to decide, and maybe one day in the future there might be something to either back it up or disprove it, but for now, I'm quite impressed

[Keebs ð¿ð]

Whoever wrote this knows nothing about quantum physics and should not speak as though they do. Time stretches across SEVERAL dimensions. It would be silly to postulate that time can ONLY be linear.

Lets do away with christian ignorance. How about that?

it is perfectly impossible to believe in what one does not understand. Between understanding and faith immediate connections must subsist; understanding is the very lifeblood of faith; where understanding has ceased, faith is dead; and when they who are in such a case proclaim they have faith, they deceive. You yourself, preacher, I defy you to believe in the god you predicate to me - you must fail because you cannot demonstrate him to me, because it is not in you to define him to me, because consequently you do not understand him - because as of the moment you do not understand him, you can no longer furnish me any reasonable argument concerning him, and because, in sum, anything beyond the limits and grasp of the human mind is either illusion or futility; and because your god having to be one or the other of the two, in the first instance I should be mad to believe in him, in the second a fool. My friend, prove to me that matter is inert and I will grant you a creator, prove to me that Nature does not suffice to herself and I’ll let you imagine her ruled by a higher force; until then, expect nothing from me, I bow to evidence only, and evidence I perceive only through my senses: my belief goes no farther than they, beyond that point my faith collapses. I believe in the sun because I see it, I conceive it as the focal center of all the inflammable matter in Nature, its periodic movement pleases but does not amaze me. ‘Tis a machanical operation, perhaps as simple as the workings of electricity, but which we are unable to understand. Need I bother more about it? when you have roofed everthing over with your god, will I be any the better off? and shall I still not have to make an effort at least as great to understand the artisan as to define his handiwork? By edifying your chimera it is thus no service you have rendered me, you have made me uneasy in my mind but you have not enlightened it, and instead of gratitude I owe you resentment. You god is a machine you fabricated in your passions’ behalf, you manipulated it to their liking; but the day it interfered with mine, I kicked it out of my way, deem it fitting that I did so; and now, at this moment when I sink and my soul stands in need of calm and philosophy, belabor it not with your riddles and your cant, which alarm but will not convince it, which will irritate without improving it; good friends and on the best terms have we ever been, this soul and I, so Nature wished it to be; as it is, so she expressly modeled it, for my soul is the result of the dispositions she formed in me pursuant to her own ends and needs; and as she has an equal need of vices and virtues, whenever she was pleased to move me to evil, she did so, whenever she wanted a good deed from me, she roused in me the desire to perform one, and even so I did as I was bid. Look nowhere but to her workings for the unique cause of our fickle human behavior, and in her laws hope to find no other springs than her will and her requirements.

Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man - Marquis De Sade, 1782

My vocabulary is limited to words that are under 7 letters in length... I read the first 3 lines and realized that I have never been so confused in my life... Or maybe its just way too early in the morning to even try to understand that

[Hektik]

My vocabulary is limited to words that are under 7 letters in length... I read the first 3 lines and realized that I have never been so confused in my life... Or maybe its just way too early in the morning to even try to understand that

^lol

Really good post. I'd like to see this go into further discussion.

[Blitanicle99]

Very in dept, I was figuring you quouted that somewhere because really I dont think anyone would take the time to write out that kind of speech in a forum. Ha

[C22H19N3O4]

I'm quite impressed

No offense, but if you're truly impressed by that I have a ball of yarn you might want to checkout.

Let's take the elementary approach.

First, Ruiner should have referenced his source unless he is claiming the statement as his own.

However if you consider a supernatural being, not bound by the laws of the universe, it becomes possible

So simply God must exist. However, to what degree he plays a role in our lives is up for debate. Atheism, as this proves, is a direct contradiction to both reality, and mathematics

The above statements are philosophical at best and deeply rooted in religious faith. Is that creation science? If so, that is a true oxymoron. Has it proven anything? Shouldn't have to right? All you need is faith. I guess the post claims time is linear, but plenty of researchers say it's cubic and/or spherical. The post was just more creationist propaganda which I enjoy.

I say lets do away with atheist snobbery, and start to question ourselves in a realm of god.

Why?

[Stormhammer]

^^ I'm more impressed with the fact that even if its ridden with mistakes or not, it was still very well written and thought out, and was a different approach than the usual

as for time - I dont think research is going to have a plausible explanation anytime soon for it in my opinion - alot of it is all speculation and theory, but it never hurts to keep an open mind about all things

[Stormhammer]

also - a supernatural being by definition is something that just exists outside of the natural world, if it wasnt supernatural, then the universe would have created itself etc, but since in this case it didnt, it had to be created by something supernatural, beyond the limits of the natural world ( scientifically speaking ) - it might not be "God" himself per say, but it might be something. Philisophical? Yeah, but thats how all things in science start out, with theories and philosophies.

[C22H19N3O4]

The general public defines theory differently than those in the scientific community.

[Stormhammer]

^^ then thats the fault of the general public lol

I guess thats part of the whole problem - there are so many definitions for a word that to every individual it has a different meaning therefore allowing for a different context, leading to different understandings which in case leads to voice of opinions of agreement or disagreement

part of me wonders if maybe things weren't so broad in definition ( such as theory ) what would this world be like

[SloWRX]

y cant people use little words with short little sentences...

[Stormhammer]

RG made up a good point

x^0=1

[Jaimecbr900]

Great post Ruiner.

What is truly ironic is how "Science" is mostly theory, yet an Athiest uses it to try and disprove another theory .....that's why this debate will never end.

It's like 2 blind men having an argument over which girl in front of them is the prettiest......

The same "science" that only a few short years ago said the earth was FLAT is the same "science" that says today it's round. The same "science" speculates every single day how or why the pyramids were built. Yet this is the same "science" all Athiests fall over backward saying is the definitive source of reasoning to disprove God exists...... .....racing with a broken car are ya??????

Whats funny is how most of these so called scientists are always trying to reinvent the wheel.

Someone is walking down the sidewalk and trips: A normal person would think....hmmmm, I tripped on something. A smarty pants "scientist" trying to sound smarter than he really is thinks.....hmmmm, the exponential root of the elevation of the earth caused a microcasm miniature earthquake in the 10th dimension in the very nanosecond before the person tripped causing the sidewalk cement to temporarily liquify to such a consitency that it congealed for only 2 nanoseconds causing it to rise up 2/10ths of degree of a foot causing someone to TRIP on it. :jerkit:

You know what that is called???? Baffle them with BULLSHIT....... It's not rocket science. Scientist try to make it rocket science to both make themselves seem smart and baffle everyone with theories full of BULLSHIT that hasn't ever nor will it ever be able to be proven.

The person walking down the sidewalk simply tripped. You can dress it up into quantum physics, yet when you take it out it's still just a trip. That's what a lot of "scientists" do with Evolution. They can baffle everyone with a bunch of bullshit, but at the end of the day their last line should read......"I don't KNOW for sure much of anything...."

[{X}Echo419]

Whoever wrote this knows nothing about quantum physics and should not speak as though they do. Time stretches across SEVERAL dimensions. It would be silly to postulate that time can ONLY be linear.

Lets do away with christian ignorance. How about that?

it is perfectly impossible to believe in what one does not understand. Between understanding and faith immediate connections must subsist; understanding is the very lifeblood of faith; where understanding has ceased, faith is dead; and when they who are in such a case proclaim they have faith, they deceive. You yourself, preacher, I defy you to believe in the god you predicate to me - you must fail because you cannot demonstrate him to me, because it is not in you to define him to me, because consequently you do not understand him - because as of the moment you do not understand him, you can no longer furnish me any reasonable argument concerning him, and because, in sum, anything beyond the limits and grasp of the human mind is either illusion or futility; and because your god having to be one or the other of the two, in the first instance I should be mad to believe in him, in the second a fool. My friend, prove to me that matter is inert and I will grant you a creator, prove to me that Nature does not suffice to herself and I’ll let you imagine her ruled by a higher force; until then, expect nothing from me, I bow to evidence only, and evidence I perceive only through my senses: my belief goes no farther than they, beyond that point my faith collapses. I believe in the sun because I see it, I conceive it as the focal center of all the inflammable matter in Nature, its periodic movement pleases but does not amaze me. ‘Tis a machanical operation, perhaps as simple as the workings of electricity, but which we are unable to understand. Need I bother more about it? when you have roofed everthing over with your god, will I be any the better off? and shall I still not have to make an effort at least as great to understand the artisan as to define his handiwork? By edifying your chimera it is thus no service you have rendered me, you have made me uneasy in my mind but you have not enlightened it, and instead of gratitude I owe you resentment. You god is a machine you fabricated in your passions’ behalf, you manipulated it to their liking; but the day it interfered with mine, I kicked it out of my way, deem it fitting that I did so; and now, at this moment when I sink and my soul stands in need of calm and philosophy, belabor it not with your riddles and your cant, which alarm but will not convince it, which will irritate without improving it; good friends and on the best terms have we ever been, this soul and I, so Nature wished it to be; as it is, so she expressly modeled it, for my soul is the result of the dispositions she formed in me pursuant to her own ends and needs; and as she has an equal need of vices and virtues, whenever she was pleased to move me to evil, she did so, whenever she wanted a good deed from me, she roused in me the desire to perform one, and even so I did as I was bid. Look nowhere but to her workings for the unique cause of our fickle human behavior, and in her laws hope to find no other springs than her will and her requirements.

Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man - Marquis De Sade, 1782

Notes:
Dying guy says to a Priest, "Liar liar pants on fire. I don't believe you."

[MachNU]

Well to me...if the battle between Religion and Science as to who is right Science is winning! I mean come on the way the bible plays out the start of the universe makes no sence. Okay..

RELIGION - Bible says god created the universe and the earth in 7 days....be it a day was a few secs, or a few trillion years, but then he created life....be it in a few secs of a few million years....but it says that animals came, and then adam and eve and from there on. then it came up throught eh histroy of the bible to civilization itself...and to the world as we now it today...

SCIENCE - Big Bang is the must proven theory is the start of the universe...proven best by when the Big bang Happen it sent radiation out in a sperhical pathern...which is the way that they can prove how old the universe is...anyways.. Big bang happen and planets formed over time....but then earth comes along and over trillions of years evolution thats effect. Now granted where life orginally came from is still up in the air for sure...but anyways you have evolution come about, and then the dinosaurs and creatures to that nature come along(proven by the skeletons we have of them...then it goes to the ice age(first now time of humans(proven again by skeletons of each type...which later gets into the past and has proven its way to which we haev today.

To me science wins out, its been proven more soundly than the bible has. Theres no way to offically prove that God essists, no matter what you do, math or anything. for something to Exist it must .... Be able either be something that is able to be felt, heard, seen, or even tasted...something that can be proven its there.

But something that can really blow your mind is....with all the hundreds of religions in the world....whos correct? <--- And try adn answer that without a bias decision!

[~The_Duke~]

RG made up a good point

x^0=1

As many thing as anyone can come up with no one can really prove that is a god, and no one can really prove that there isnt one...

And if you cant prove does that mean that it cant happen? So why are we really here...

I say that aliens bred us in test tubes and dropped different colored experiments all over the place to see which one would die first...

[Mr_Mischif]

^^ I HOPE it's Christians. Otherwise, me and about 6 billion other people are SOL.

[ShooterMcGavin]

damn, this shit is too deep for a saturday nite too, especially after a nite of beers and football

[Crazy Asian]

All I know its simple I believe in God and you dont. There call it day and lets get back to playin on IA, Drinking, and banging girls or jacking off to porn.