New Military Bill Trying to pass

While i dont think it will EVER pass, i think its a good idea. Think of all the GOOD that can come from it.

Most people will be able to learn some sort of Skill or Trade. they build their Resumes with Military Service, you get 2 years of DECENT pay im sure (20-25K)

I think if they made it mandatory for NON COLLEGE enrolling kids out of highschool youd see alot better workforce.

Im a military brat, so maybe im biased. While i wouldnt WANT to join voluntarily, i wouldnt complain if they made me do it.

if this passed i believe this country would find something in a few years of implementation that it hasnt known for quite some time. UNITY. finally, people would stop their bitching and moaning of "if i were in control" etc and step up and do something. gone would be the days where generations are allowed to squander their life to partying and shit fresh out of high school. it would give the older community some ease of mind knowing the next generations isnt the degenerative fuck ups it believes it is, but a generation of people who have seen what is on the news everyday and actually care, because it affects them. just take a quick look at all the countries that have a 2 yr mandatory civil service. they arent dictatorships or communism or any other extreme unfounded thing this bill has been called. while they may not be as big or great as the US they still have MORE involvement from the citizens and MORE pride than most people. i support it. the returns of this bill would be unpresidented, imagine an America where people actually cared and knew what it took to enjoy the freedoms they have. i mean, think about how good you feel when you earn something in life. now imagine it was something as big as FREEDOM.

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Originally Posted by cherry kool aid

if this passed i believe this country would find something in a few years of implementation that it hasnt known for quite some time. UNITY. finally, people would stop their bitching and moaning of "if i were in control" etc and step up and do something. gone would be the days where generations are allowed to squander their life to partying and shit fresh out of high school. it would give the older community some ease of mind knowing the next generations isnt the degenerative fuck ups it believes it is, but a generation of people who have seen what is on the news everyday and actually care, because it affects them. just take a quick look at all the countries that have a 2 yr mandatory civil service. they arent dictatorships or communism or any other extreme unfounded thing this bill has been called. while they may not be as big or great as the US they still have MORE involvement from the citizens and MORE pride than most people. i support it. the returns of this bill would be unpresidented, imagine an America where people actually cared and knew what it took to enjoy the freedoms they have. i mean, think about how good you feel when you earn something in life. now imagine it was something as big as FREEDOM.

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+1 For You. Well said. :goodjob:

I, for one, think it is a great idea. Give most of the little spoiled kiddies an eye opener. Let you realize that freedom isn't free. Let all of you who haven't served the opportunity to do something for the country you take for granted. I hope it does pass. But for now, sleep well, I will defend this country from my post and forward. 173rd STB, AIRBORNE!!!!!! HUAH!!!!!

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Originally Posted by ultm8mind

I, for one, think it is a great idea. Give most of the little spoiled kiddies an eye opener. Let you realize that freedom isn't free. Let all of you who haven't served the opportunity to do something for the country you take for granted. I hope it does pass. But for now, sleep well, I will defend this country from my post and forward. 173rd STB, AIRBORNE!!!!!! HUAH!!!!!

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not joining. Gonna have to put me in prison if it passes. Not because i don't want to fight for my country, but because of the motives that they provide for such a draft or even the war in general doesn't align with what i consider enough or righteous motive to go to war. I'll sit in prison until the war is over.

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Originally Posted by d-ninja

not joining. Gonna have to put me in prison if it passes. Not because i don't want to fight for my country, but because of the motives that they provide for such a draft or even the war in general doesn't align with what i consider enough or righteous motive to go to war. I'll sit in prison until the war is over.

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Just because you join the military doesn't mean you'll go to war. Hell, join the National Guard. Or you could just save everyone the trouble and move to Canada.

Also, when you go to jail for that, it's not just for the duration for the war. It's a little more extensive as it should be.

true, if yourn ot willing to go to war for this country, no matter what, then leave now. sorry.

Every war we have been involved in had to be done. Including Vietnam, i think we stayed longer than we should have in Nam, but i beleive it was neccesary.

IRAQ, we need to be there, if you dont think so, remember 9/11 is all ihave to say

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vteckidd

IRAQ, we need to be there, if you dont think so, remember 9/11 is all ihave to say

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Maybe so, but we went in ill-prepared. We needed a better exit strategy, which is why we're still wasting time and resources over there. We need to help Iraq fortify it's own government and leave. The sooner the better.

i agree somewhat, although i dont think we will ever have a true democratic IRAQ

Too much to read. Not really in a reading mood right now. If it's about women being required to join the service I say bullshit!
That is all

Im not saying that I dont look up to the men and women who are in the military because they wanna be... one of my ex's who i was almost engaged to is in the army... my boyfriends uncle is in the army.. my best friend is in the army...believe me they get my upmost respect.. but there is a reason that most of us who arnt in the army.. are not.. Think about it this way.. couple with a new born baby... both mom and dad get called to service..what is the baby supposed to do if both mom and dad dont come home? Im some ways I think it would greatly improve the thinking of some of the people here.. but in others I think its going to ruin alot of lives too.. that is my personal opinion...

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Originally Posted by bdydrpddualy

It definately wont happen, the guy trying to make this happen is known for being a borderline communist. This isnt the first time he has tried this shit. A military is more effective when it has people in it that want to be in it and when its not full of a bunch of folks that were forced to sign up. Just my opinion I guess.

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I agree.

Also we don't need some wack jobs flipping out and tossing a grenade into their tent (oh wait that already happened). If the stress factor and stuff in Iraq is messing with soldiers heads, imagine what it would be like for someone who got pressed into service.

Also, it will never pass.

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Originally Posted by The Ren

Think about it this way.. couple with a new born baby... both mom and dad get called to service..what is the baby supposed to do if both mom and dad dont come home?

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In cases such as this, both parenting members are hardly deployed to serve overseas. There are military families everywhere that have both parents in the services but one member is always stationed stateside to oversee the child. Common sense does exist within our government sometimes.

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Originally Posted by The Ren

that is my personal opinion...

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You're expressing some real life concerns as you should, and that's cool. I think that most of the people that read this bill immediately think "OMG They're sending me to war!!" when that's clearly not the case. Could you be deployed in the event of a war? Sure, but even as a "conscious objector" you can still enlist in a non-combatant MOS.

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Originally Posted by The Ren

Im not saying that I dont look up to the men and women who are in the military because they wanna be... one of my ex's who i was almost engaged to is in the army... my boyfriends uncle is in the army.. my best friend is in the army...believe me they get my upmost respect.. but there is a reason that most of us who arnt in the army.. are not.. Think about it this way.. couple with a new born baby... both mom and dad get called to service..what is the baby supposed to do if both mom and dad dont come home? Im some ways I think it would greatly improve the thinking of some of the people here.. but in others I think its going to ruin alot of lives too.. that is my personal opinion...

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I think that some of those people that would be having children at 18 are the ones that would benifit the most out of military service before they enter the real world. That being said, there are a lot of dual military families (families with both parents being soldiers) out there and there are rules set aside to ensure that the children are cared for.

What a waste of time.

I think its a bad idea in general. Some people are not cut out for the military physically and mentally. I understand that not everyone would become a soldier on the front lines but a lot of people will be. I am in no way cut out for the military physically (I have a connective tissue disorder) but I am pretty sure by current military standards I could still be drafted (if it came to that). Seriously this would not work at all. If they do it im going to move to the caribean.

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Originally Posted by R3RUN

I think its a bad idea in general. Some people are not cut out for the military physically and mentally. I understand that not everyone would become a soldier on the front lines but a lot of people will be. I am in no way cut out for the military physically (I have a connective tissue disorder) but I am pretty sure by current military standards I could still be drafted (if it came to that). Seriously this would not work at all. If they do it im going to move to the caribean.

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Nah, the military has actually been cranking down on physical and health restrictions. You can't even join if you have flat feet. :screwy: Hell, if you're over a certain percentage of body fat then you can't join until you slim down. That excludes about 85% of the population right there. I'm sure they would introduce some form of fat-camp though.

How about if your below a certain percentage? Ive got bad knees and im only 18 so they probably dont like me.

On the note of fat camp this would solve the epidemic of obesity in the U.S.

I have flat feet!!HA HA FUCKERS!!!! YES!!!!! :cheers:

That I know.. and I agree that there are plenty of ways to participate in the military and not be in combat.. but that was just a situation.. that is a possibility of happening.. most likely.. no both parents wont be in combat at the same time, but the threat is a real one... with that being said.. i enjoy the freedom I have and if keeping that means joining the military.. id do it..

STUPID...

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, this proposal would never pass in its current form.

More than likely...in committe, it would morph into more of a civilian-service mided version of it's current form. However...this idea has been hanging around for decades. Hell, even Clinton himself proposed and formed the now defunct Americorps, which he himself proposed as a mandatory service obligation at one point(which was one of his better ideas).

Everyone is too focused on the military aspect of the National Service Bill to see the benefit.

As a 13-year veteran (and still Active Duty Air Force member), I can honestly say it would be tough to serve with a large contigent of young people who think nothing of military service. Our current military budget doesn't even allow for an active duty force end strength of 2 million...so there is no way that any more than 0.2% of deemed eligibles (those not holding a waiver) would be pressed into service. The military doesn't struggle as much as you would think to find qualified volunteers.

For every 10,000 more people in the military, the budget must increase by over $1.2 Billion...that isn't likely to happen anytime soon. To use the word "draft" is completely incorrect.

Now...on the other hand...would some sort of mandatory service period to qualify for citizenship be a good idea- Absolutely! Many of the worlds democratic societies already employ such tactics (Germany and Israel come to mind off the top of my head). The service can be in a variety of fields (health care...civil service...public works...military, etc.). If you gave young people an option, there would probably be plenty of volunteers in every service category. Two years is probably a bit excessive...but serving society is a fine way to instill citizenship, national pride, and cultural ethics into young people.

Remember...freedom isn't free!

Cheers!

as soon as they give me a gun im shooting myself in the leg...twice!

While I have the utmost respect for anyone who ever was in the military, putting themselves on the line for our freedoms, I myself would not support any version of this bill, which is basically the draft.

While it would be nice to have all the "would-be gangstas" shape up, the fact that right now we are fighting what I would call a bullshit war for oil which we ARE LOSING, they need more people to "die for the cause".

I myself could not go into the military because I am a pussy in that respect (flat feet, and I don't know if I could take another person's life), I do respect those people who do. And while there are many non-fighting positions available, I don't know if I could orient myself with a government that's comfortable going over to someone's country and start shooting people because of some "information" that even they realized was fake. And for those people who go "IRAQ BOMBED THE WTC, WE NEED TO BOMB THEIR TOWEL-HEAD ASSES!!!!!!", why not bomb the UAE too, since the people who did bomb the WTC got together to decide what they were going to do before they came over to the US?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate my country-just the people running it.

I think it's funny how you people say "Oh, I wouldn't back or support this bill," as if that matters. You have no count in that vote anyways, since most likely it would be passed through Congress and not us people. Also, the people in charge of this country of ours, MAKE this country what it is. I doubt anyone on this forum is struggling, seeing how you have this luxury we call the internet or means to it. The female that said females shouldn't be forced to join if this did happen, HAHA. Tough, get over it, you demean those women serving today. To the guy that said he'd shoot himself in the legs, lemme watch. Stop looking to find ways out, so what you're fat, so what you have flat feet. Do you really think they'll be picky if this does pass??? I think not. But hey, they already have me. Paid for my degrees, paid hundreds of thousands of dollars training me. I say thank you and am extremely grateful that I have had this opportunity, otherwise, I'd be doing meaningless jobs due to not having enough money to go to college otherwise.