Plane on a treadmill poll...

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Originally Posted by speedminded

*sigh* *shakes head* Wings provide lift. Whether it's jet of prop both have to have air over around the wings to fly. AGAIN, quit worrying about how a plane flies and just determine why or why not a plane can move forward on a conveyor.

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How thrust is provided has everything to do with this discussion. Air forced around the wings are what provide lift, this is true. How the air is forced around them is what makes the difference.

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Originally Posted by Xan

How thrust is provided has everything to do with this discussion. Air forced around the wings are what provide lift, this is true. How the air is forced around them is what makes the difference.

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No offense. But stop talking. (You're still a QT... let's do dinner :) )

**to Echo**

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

Air is forced around the wings by it's movement through the air regardless of type of thrust...

i don't believe the plane will take off....its just like sittin in place and running the engine high....the plane isn't actually moving forward thus splitting the air around the wings and (the flaps) forcing the air down in turn pushing the air up.

sheesh brandon...let it die ;)

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Originally Posted by b18bang

i don't believe the plane will take off....its just like sittin in place and running the engine high....the plane isn't actually moving forward thus splitting the air around the wings and (the flaps) forcing the air down in turn pushing the air up.

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You stop talking too. :eye: Stick to cars. Echo... answer my question.

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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Originally Posted by BABY J

No offense. But stop talking. (You're still a QT... let's do dinner :) )

**to Echo**

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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LOL. What's a "QT lets do dinner?"

Do you atleast get what I'm saying?

dear lord....they are all coming out of the woodwork now...It stand's right here...I am done trying to convince all of you that this works...I am putting my money here on the line...if you don't think it works...take me up on my 200 wager.

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Originally Posted by Xan

LOL. What's a "QT lets do dinner?"

Do you atleast get what I'm saying?

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QT = Cutie. Dinner = food. Now hush.

ECHO!!!!

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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Originally Posted by xPhantomSolx

No... backwards and forwards movement = the plane is standing still, even though the wheels are moving. Planes count on airflow to get lift.... you don't feel a breeze when you run on a treadmill.. therefore, no lift = no flying.

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no airflow= no lift

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Originally Posted by joecoolfreak

dear lord....they are all coming out of the woodwork now...It stand's right here...I am done trying to convince all of you that this works...I am putting my money here on the line...if you don't think it works...take me up on my 200 wager.

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Troo stupidity = contagious. Breeds fast. ;)


ECHO!!!!

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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Originally Posted by b18hatch

no airflow= no lift

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Geez....we know planes need airflow to lift....the point is that the plane will move forward and therefore have airflow. Still waiting on someone with the balls to try and prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

**to ECHO**

--> Aeronautical Engineering, Embry Riddle (pursuing)
--> Computer Science (FINISHED)

Also might I add this pic... I know more about flying and achieving flight than most people on this board. LOL. Although the Air Force NEVER let me try to launch the E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft from a treadmill. The NERVE of them!! LOL Hey ECHO, note the wings on the uniform and the flight suit... you don't get those by staying on the ground all day. LOL.

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I didn't know the Air Force had uniforms? wow, almost looks like a REAL 1. maybe 1 day they'll get to use Real guns...

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Originally Posted by BABY J

QT = Cutie. Dinner = food. Now hush.

ECHO!!!!

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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If the treadmill is designed to match the windspeed of the plane then your answer is no.

why'dyou bring this up again brandon?

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

I didn't know the Air Force had uniforms? wow, almost looks like a REAL 1. maybe 1 day they'll get to use Real guns...

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I would love to see you say that to someone's face that was in the air force...I personally was army and I wouldn't mess with most of those guys...keep in mind, they have the biggest guns.

Did anyone see the Flight of the Phoenix remake? The part where the Pilot finds out the guy designs model aircraft. Then the big gust of wind comes through the the airplanes trys to take off STANDING STILL. Principles still apply.

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

I didn't know the Air Force had uniforms? wow, almost looks like a REAL 1. maybe 1 day they'll get to use Real guns...

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Cute. My 8 years of sacrifices is what gives you the freedom to say that. You're welcome. However, I do not need your "thanks", I volunteered.



1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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Originally Posted by BABY J

No offense. But stop talking. (You're still a QT... let's do dinner :) )

**to Echo**

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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no.
if it does and does it Fast enough then yes. it's very possible given enough speed.

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Originally Posted by b18bang

i don't believe the plane will take off....its just like sittin in place and running the engine high....the plane isn't actually moving forward thus splitting the air around the wings and (the flaps) forcing the air down in turn pushing the air up.

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that's what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Xan

If the treadmill is designed to match the windspeed of the plane then your answer is no.

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Thank you! gawd!

And what we are saying is that there is no possibility of it standing still....can't happen

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Originally Posted by BABY J

Cute. My 8 years of sacrifices is what gives you the freedom to say that. You're welcome. However, I do not need your "thanks", I volunteered.



1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

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you don't know me.

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

no.
if it does and does it Fast enough then yes. it's very possible given enough speed.



that's what I'm saying.

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Choose. Yes or no. You were so sure before... be sure now... YES OR NO!!! WILL IT MOVE ON THE CONVERYOR WHEN THE ENGINES ARE STARTED??? Think about it... I am putting my trust in you that you are not a TRUE idiot. You can do it... think about it.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Xan

Did anyone see the Flight of the Phoenix remake? The part where the Pilot finds out the guy designs model aircraft. Then the big gust of wind comes through the the airplanes trys to take off STANDING STILL. Principles still apply.

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negative. But you prove a great point, that wind force is against the plane so it can't move forward BUT what part of the plane is the conveyor belts force against? The wheels. The freefuckinspinnin wheels. the conveyor no matter the speed will not prevent the plane from moving forward.

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Originally Posted by Xan

If the treadmill is designed to match the windspeed of the plane then your answer is no.

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Answer is still yes.

Here's another concept to grasp since the free-rolling wheels seem too hard.

If the conveyor matches the windspeed of the plane, the plane would have to be moving for the conveyor to move. If the plane isn't moving there is no speed and once the plane is moving it's not gonna stop.

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Originally Posted by fcman

Answer is still yes.

Here's another concept to grasp since the free-rolling wheels seem too hard.

If the conveyor matches the windspeed of the plane, the plane would have to be moving for the conveyor to move. If the plane isn't moving there is no speed and once the plane is moving it's not gonna stop.

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I love you. Will you marry my sister? She has a husband but FUCK him. I'll set it up.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

I love you. Will you marry my sister? She has a husband but FUCK him. I'll set it up.

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Thank you....been said several times, but it just doesn't click.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

I love you. Will you marry my sister? She has a husband but FUCK him. I'll set it up.

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Is she hot? haha

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

you don't know me.

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i do know that your logic on things is get a bigger hammer or bigger gun. Sometimes that may be neccessary but starting way back before the construction of the great pyramids the people with common sense achieved goals without that logic.

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

you don't know me.

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Likewise. That's YOUR loss.

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Originally Posted by fcman

Answer is still yes.

Here's another concept to grasp since the free-rolling wheels seem too hard.

If the conveyor matches the windspeed of the plane, the plane would have to be moving for the conveyor to move. If the plane isn't moving there is no speed and once the plane is moving it's not gonna stop.

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1/2 right. The plane is providing thrust, but not "moving" forward.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

Choose. Yes or no. You were so sure before... be sure now... YES OR NO!!! WILL IT MOVE ON THE CONVERYOR WHEN THE ENGINES ARE STARTED??? Think about it... I am putting my trust in you that you are not a TRUE idiot. You can do it... think about it.:rolleyes:

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you are a true idot fly boy.
1. if the converyor matches the (attempted) speed of the plane. NO

2. if the converyor is doing 1 rotation per hour then all the plane has to do is go and it will make enough speed to take off.
some of you on here can't make up their mind as to which senario they prefer.

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Originally Posted by fcman

Is she hot? haha

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I'd hit it. Wait a minute... WHAT AM I SAYING? LOL ;)

Wheels people...wheels....It doesn't matter how fast the conveyor belt goes....the wheels can spin as much as they want to....they are just bearings...they don't slow or speed up the plane.

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Originally Posted by BABY J

I'd hit it. Wait a minute... WHAT AM I SAYING? LOL ;)

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:eek:

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

you are a true idot fly boy.
1. if the converyor matches the (attempted) speed of the plane. NO

2. if the converyor is doing 1 rotation per hour then all the plane has to do is go and it will make enough speed to take off.
some of you on here can't make up their mind as to which senario they prefer.

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How can you match the speed of the plane? IT IS NOT A DYNO, get it through your thick fucking skull. The wheels DO NOT power the plane. The speed of the conveyor has absolutely NOTHING to do with how much force it takes to hold the plane stationary or how much thrust it takes for it to take off. IT will move forward no matter the speed of the conveyor. It doesn't matter if the conveyor is going 1mph or 1,000 mph it takes the absolute same about of force to keep the plane stationary...very little at that. then once more power is applied to the engines there is nothing preventing it from moving forward.

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Originally Posted by joecoolfreak

Wheels people...wheels....It doesn't matter how fast the conveyor belt goes....the wheels can spin as much as they want to....they are just bearings...they don't slow or speed up the plane.

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really? put your car on a dyno(I know planes aren't powered by their wheels. thanks for the info). for the sake of argument, lets say the speedometer says 100mph. is the car actually going 100mph? NO. it's sitting there with the wheels spinning. now, stick your hand out the window. is there wind shooting over it like if you were on the highway? NO. so what makes you think there will be wind going over the wings of a plane?

Ok got ANOTHER one for you.

Take a skateboard and a pair of the large bottle rockets. Tape the bottle rockets to the skateboard and place on a treadmill (preferably as level as possible to replicate the conveyor & airplane) Turn on the treadmill, we agree just with your fingertip you can hold the skateboard stationary....now light the two bottle rockets....will the skateboard not launch forward?

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

really? put your car on a dyno(I know planes aren't powered by their wheels. thanks for the info). for the sake of argument, lets say the speedometer says 100mph. is the car actually going 100mph? NO. it's sitting there with the wheels spinning. now, stick your hand out the window. is there wind shooting over it like if you were on the highway? NO. so what makes you think there will be wind going over the wings of a plane?

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The propeller is what's making the wheels on an airplane spin. It does this because it's forcing air backwards. Not that hard to grasp.

Edit: Better yet. Put a prop plane on a dyno. Set the windspeed to 100 MPH. Stick your head out the window. Is there wind coming back at you?

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Originally Posted by {X}Echo419

really? put your car on a dyno(I know planes aren't powered by their wheels. thanks for the info). for the sake of argument, lets say the speedometer says 100mph. is the car actually going 100mph? NO. it's sitting there with the wheels spinning. now, stick your hand out the window. is there wind shooting over it like if you were on the highway? NO. so what makes you think there will be wind going over the wings of a plane?

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There has to be wind passing over the plane for it to register speed, planes don't read speed by how fast the wheels are turning.