Plane on a treadmill poll...

[{X}Echo419]

Will do.

I can hear it now:

JennB: Hi, is this Lockheed Martin>
LM: yes, can I help you?
JB: Yeah, if I put a plane on a convayer belt to prevent it from ataining speed will it take off?
LM: silly bitch, who told you that? is this a prank call? lift and drag don't happen just because you crank up the plane. don't ever call me with a stupid question like that again.

or something "like" that.

[speedminded]

I can hear it now:

JennB: Hi, is this Lockheed Martin>
LM: yes, can I help you?
JB: Yeah, if I put a plane on a convayer belt to prevent it from ataining speed will it take off?
LM: silly bitch, who told you that? is this a prank call? lift and drag don't happen just because you crank up the plane. don't ever call me with a stupid question like that again.

or something "like" that.

You are just making yourself look incredibaly ignorant in front of some of IA's most educated. lol.

[JennB]

I can hear it now:

JennB: Hi, is this Lockheed Martin>
LM: yes, can I help you?
JB: Yeah, if I put a plane on a convayer belt to prevent it from ataining speed will it take off?
LM: silly bitch, who told you that? is this a prank call? lift and drag don't happen just because you crank up the plane. don't ever call me with a stupid question like that again.

or something "like" that.

You suck at life.

And please learn to spell conveyor.

May I ask what field you are educated in?

[speedminded]

You suck at life.

And please learn to spell conveyor.

May I ask what field you are educated in?

aeronautical engineering

[BABY J]

You suck at life.

And please learn to spell conveyor.

May I ask what field you are educated in?

**to ECHO**

--> Aeronautical Engineering, Embry Riddle (pursuing)
--> Computer Science (FINISHED)

Also might I add this pic... I know more about flying and achieving flight than most people on this board. LOL. Although the Air Force NEVER let me try to launch the E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft from a treadmill. The NERVE of them!! LOL Hey ECHO, note the wings on the uniform and the flight suit... you don't get those by staying on the ground all day. LOL.

[{X}Echo419]

**to ECHO**

--> Aeronautical Engineering, Embry Riddle (pursuing)
--> Computer Science (FINISHED)

Also might I add this pic... I know more about flying and achieving flight than most people on this board. LOL. Although the Air Force NEVER let me try to launch the E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft from a treadmill. The NERVE of them!! LOL Hey ECHO, note the wings on the uniform and the flight suit... you don't get those by staying on the ground all day. LOL.

I didn't know the Air Force had uniforms? wow, almost looks like a REAL 1. maybe 1 day they'll get to use Real guns...

[joecoolfreak]

what we are saying is that it doesn't matter how fast the conveyer belt goes. It could go 1mph or 1000 and the plane will still move forward and take off. The reason is because the only thing that the belt touches is the wheels and they have no effect on the propulsion of the plane... They move indepentantly of the plane and that is what we are trying to make you see.

[BABY J]

You didn't like my TECHNICAL answers echo, so let me break it down to you. ---> Unbefuckinglievable. Think about it. Jet engines push air not dirt. Therefore a treadmill can not & will not be able to halt (yes it will BARELY slow it though due to friction... too minute to mention) the progress of a jet which is not getting velocity from pushing dirt but from the jet pushing air. If a jet used big fucking engines attached to the wheels to gain enough speed to fling itself into the air then it would never get off the ground. BUT IT DOESN'T, it uses (pushes) air to create it's forward velocity, which creates airflow over the wings, which creates lift, which achieves flight. **ding** Chicken or beef sir?

[joecoolfreak]

Why????? as soon as you figure this little part out...you will be in the clear....It doesn't hold the plane back...it just spins the wheels...the wheels don't have a damn thing to do with the plane.

[{X}Echo419]

Why????? as soon as you figure this little part out...you will be in the clear....It doesn't hold the plane back...it just spins the wheels...the wheels don't have a damn thing to do with the plane.

yes they do.....friction...GRAVITY!!!! SPEED NESSARY FOR THE WIND TO PASS OVER THE WINGS AND THE PLANE....

[joecoolfreak]

I will take that offer...how much would you like to wager?

[joecoolfreak]

This is the deal...I will go out and buy a model plane...most likely a cheap one powered by rubber bands....just to prove this to you. A rubber band powered plane can do this...I will put the plane on the belt and hold it there while you set the belt to it's highest speed...when I let go of the plane and release the rubber band...it will fly, but I am not going to all that trouble if it isn't worth my while.

[joecoolfreak]

So...I am taking you up...wager?

[joecoolfreak]

Waiting.........................

[umairejaz]

^^LOL... +1 for sure.

Echo your fuckin stupid

[joecoolfreak]

Still waiting...you said put up..I am...shall we say 200?

[joecoolfreak]

Air is forced around the wings by it's movement through the air regardless of type of thrust...

[The Ninja]

i don't believe the plane will take off....its just like sittin in place and running the engine high....the plane isn't actually moving forward thus splitting the air around the wings and (the flaps) forcing the air down in turn pushing the air up.

[BABY J]

i don't believe the plane will take off....its just like sittin in place and running the engine high....the plane isn't actually moving forward thus splitting the air around the wings and (the flaps) forcing the air down in turn pushing the air up.

You stop talking too. Stick to cars. Echo... answer my question.

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

[{X}Echo419]

No offense. But stop talking. (You're still a QT... let's do dinner )

**to Echo**

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

no.
if it does and does it Fast enough then yes. it's very possible given enough speed.

i don't believe the plane will take off....its just like sittin in place and running the engine high....the plane isn't actually moving forward thus splitting the air around the wings and (the flaps) forcing the air down in turn pushing the air up.

that's what I'm saying.

[BABY J]

no.
if it does and does it Fast enough then yes. it's very possible given enough speed.



that's what I'm saying.

Choose. Yes or no. You were so sure before... be sure now... YES OR NO!!! WILL IT MOVE ON THE CONVERYOR WHEN THE ENGINES ARE STARTED??? Think about it... I am putting my trust in you that you are not a TRUE idiot. You can do it... think about it.

[{X}Echo419]

Choose. Yes or no. You were so sure before... be sure now... YES OR NO!!! WILL IT MOVE ON THE CONVERYOR WHEN THE ENGINES ARE STARTED??? Think about it... I am putting my trust in you that you are not a TRUE idiot. You can do it... think about it.

you are a true idot fly boy.
1. if the converyor matches the (attempted) speed of the plane. NO

2. if the converyor is doing 1 rotation per hour then all the plane has to do is go and it will make enough speed to take off.
some of you on here can't make up their mind as to which senario they prefer.

[speedminded]

you are a true idot fly boy.
1. if the converyor matches the (attempted) speed of the plane. NO

2. if the converyor is doing 1 rotation per hour then all the plane has to do is go and it will make enough speed to take off.
some of you on here can't make up their mind as to which senario they prefer.

How can you match the speed of the plane? IT IS NOT A DYNO, get it through your thick fucking skull. The wheels DO NOT power the plane. The speed of the conveyor has absolutely NOTHING to do with how much force it takes to hold the plane stationary or how much thrust it takes for it to take off. IT will move forward no matter the speed of the conveyor. It doesn't matter if the conveyor is going 1mph or 1,000 mph it takes the absolute same about of force to keep the plane stationary...very little at that. then once more power is applied to the engines there is nothing preventing it from moving forward.

[Brady]

sheesh brandon...let it die

[joecoolfreak]

dear lord....they are all coming out of the woodwork now...It stand's right here...I am done trying to convince all of you that this works...I am putting my money here on the line...if you don't think it works...take me up on my 200 wager.

[BABY J]

dear lord....they are all coming out of the woodwork now...It stand's right here...I am done trying to convince all of you that this works...I am putting my money here on the line...if you don't think it works...take me up on my 200 wager.

Troo stupidity = contagious. Breeds fast.


ECHO!!!!

1) Will the plane move forward on the conveyor?

[man]

why'dyou bring this up again brandon?

[Ruiner]

why'dyou bring this up again brandon?

So that I can point and laugh at the 20 people that voted "no".

[Xan]

Did anyone see the Flight of the Phoenix remake? The part where the Pilot finds out the guy designs model aircraft. Then the big gust of wind comes through the the airplanes trys to take off STANDING STILL. Principles still apply.

[speedminded]

Did anyone see the Flight of the Phoenix remake? The part where the Pilot finds out the guy designs model aircraft. Then the big gust of wind comes through the the airplanes trys to take off STANDING STILL. Principles still apply.

negative. But you prove a great point, that wind force is against the plane so it can't move forward BUT what part of the plane is the conveyor belts force against? The wheels. The freefuckinspinnin wheels. the conveyor no matter the speed will not prevent the plane from moving forward.

[joecoolfreak]

And what we are saying is that there is no possibility of it standing still....can't happen

[joecoolfreak]

Wheels people...wheels....It doesn't matter how fast the conveyor belt goes....the wheels can spin as much as they want to....they are just bearings...they don't slow or speed up the plane.

[{X}Echo419]

Wheels people...wheels....It doesn't matter how fast the conveyor belt goes....the wheels can spin as much as they want to....they are just bearings...they don't slow or speed up the plane.

really? put your car on a dyno(I know planes aren't powered by their wheels. thanks for the info). for the sake of argument, lets say the speedometer says 100mph. is the car actually going 100mph? NO. it's sitting there with the wheels spinning. now, stick your hand out the window. is there wind shooting over it like if you were on the highway? NO. so what makes you think there will be wind going over the wings of a plane?

[Xan]

really? put your car on a dyno(I know planes aren't powered by their wheels. thanks for the info). for the sake of argument, lets say the speedometer says 100mph. is the car actually going 100mph? NO. it's sitting there with the wheels spinning. now, stick your hand out the window. is there wind shooting over it like if you were on the highway? NO. so what makes you think there will be wind going over the wings of a plane?

The propeller is what's making the wheels on an airplane spin. It does this because it's forcing air backwards. Not that hard to grasp.

Edit: Better yet. Put a prop plane on a dyno. Set the windspeed to 100 MPH. Stick your head out the window. Is there wind coming back at you?

[BABY J]

The propeller is what's making the wheels on an airplane spin. It does this because it's forcing air backwards. Not that hard to grasp.

Null. We are talking JET aircraft. You are diluting the thread w/ the prop talk.

[Xan]

Null. We are talking JET aircraft. You are diluting the thread w/ the prop talk.

If we are talking jets then no, it will never leave the ground on a speed matching conveyor belt.

[speedminded]

The propeller is what's making the wheels on an airplane spin. It does this because it's forcing air backwards. Not that hard to grasp.

Edit: Better yet. Put a prop plane on a dyno. Set the windspeed to 100 MPH. Stick your head out the window. Is there wind coming back at you?

lol well first of all...the dyno won't spin a fucking 1/4 inch because no power is being applied to the wheels....never ever ever on a plane. quit talking.

[{X}Echo419]

The propeller is what's making the wheels on an airplane spin. It does this because it's forcing air backwards. Not that hard to grasp.

Edit: Better yet. Put a prop plane on a dyno. Set the windspeed to 100 MPH. Stick your head out the window. Is there wind coming back at you?

no

[speedminded]

no

What the hell do you think a plane would do on a dyno?

[man]

really? put your car on a dyno(I know planes aren't powered by their wheels. thanks for the info). for the sake of argument, lets say the speedometer says 100mph. is the car actually going 100mph? NO. it's sitting there with the wheels spinning. now, stick your hand out the window. is there wind shooting over it like if you were on the highway? NO. so what makes you think there will be wind going over the wings of a plane?

There has to be wind passing over the plane for it to register speed, planes don't read speed by how fast the wheels are turning.