I feel like...

[quickdodge®]

The bastard child of Dionne Warwick and Haley Joel Osment. With the new "stand your ground" law taking affect next week, I see dead people in the future. I love the law, but I can't help but to feel like there will be a lot of killings to come with it that may not be neccesary. Like revenge killings and just random, for-the-hail-of-it killings. What do you think? Later, QD.

























































***DISCLAIMER*** For those of you who do not know who Dionne Warwick or Haley Joel Osment are, this is for you. Dionne Warwick started out as a singer then came back in the spotlight as part of the Psychic Friend's Network. Haley Joel Osment is the young child actor in the movie The Sixth Sense. He is credited with saying the line, "I see dead people." So you let Dionne rob the cradle with Haley and they produce an offspring, you'll have a psychic who sees the dead.

[b@d @pple]

The bastard child of Dionne Warwick and Haley Joel Osment. With the new "stand your ground" law taking affect next week, I see dead people in the future. I love the law, but I can't help but to feel like there will be a lot of killings to come with it that may not be neccesary. Like revenge killings and just random, for-the-hail-of-it killings. What do you think? Later, QD.

explain please

[The Golden Child]

yea but theres got to be a catch ..
guns have to be registered and have to have license ..
there must be a witness to the scene ..
but i do feel that random people will start peeling shells for the hell of it ..

[FORTHEWIN]

can someone explain what the law says?

[quickdodge®]

Justin. Maybe you have something against someone else. They keyed your car a while back. Now you just run up and kill them and tell the cops he attacked you. Whether he did or not. You follow?

nolimitsteveo. Not necessarily need to have witnesses. A lot of people get attacked or mugged without witnesses around. The best time to do it. Also, the gun doesn't have to be registered. Yet. But yes, you do have to have a license to carry it concealed. Later, QD.

[Marta Mike]

Personally i dont see how it works? I mean I thought the law required u to a have a VERY good reason for killing someone. And the only reason i believe there is, is self defense.

[quickdodge®]

^^^ Before, you had to try to find an "escape route" in a predicament. Now, or rather on July 1, you don't. If someone is walking up to you on the sidewalk, threatening you with harm, you don't have to turn and run. Later, QD.

[Ruiner]

The bastard child of Dionne Warwick and Haley Joel Osment. With the new "stand your ground" law taking affect next week, I see dead people in the future. I love the law, but I can't help but to feel like there will be a lot of killings to come with it that may not be neccesary. Like revenge killings and just random, for-the-hail-of-it killings. What do you think? Later, QD.

Honestly? I don't think that it will change too much. Florida has had this same law in effect since early-middle of last year and nothing has really changed. GA mirrored their law after FL's... I can see GA following the same path. It won't be the OK Corral or anything.

[Ruiner]

yea but theres got to be a catch ..
guns have to be registered and have to have license ..
there must be a witness to the scene ..
but i do feel that random people will start peeling shells for the hell of it ..

Not really on any of your points. Guns don't have to be registered so to speak, they just can't be stolen. GA doesn't have a policy about registering weapons. A license isn't needed, really, unless you shoot where you NEED a license. I mean, if you are in your house, you don't need a license. If you are in the street and carrying it ON you, then you would need a license as you are carrying it on you.

Witnesses are helpful, but not always necessary.

[MachNU]

Yep i agree that will not make that big of a change. I mean before hand... you had to be in fear for your life, and be literally backed into a corner before you could protect yourself. Now if someone walks up and points a gun at you if you have one concealed you can just pull yours and hope that you pull the first shot off.

i think its a good thing....will give people with Self Defnce cases more le-way. Instead of them having to agrue self-defence until there blue in the face...all they will need know is a slight bit of eveidence!

[Ruiner]

Personally i dont see how it works? I mean I thought the law required u to a have a VERY good reason for killing someone. And the only reason i believe there is, is self defense.

Yeah, you do. However, the previous law had an "unwritten" rule that you had a duty to retreat. The new law just means that you can stand your ground in more or less terms.

[Ruiner]

Yep i agree that will not make that big of a change. I mean before hand... you had to be in fear for your life, and be literally backed into a corner before you could protect yourself.

No.

Now if someone walks up and points a gun at you if you have one concealed you can just pull yours and hope that you pull the first shot off.

You could do that with the old law...

i think its a good thing....will give people with Self Defnce cases more le-way. Instead of them having to agrue self-defence until there blue in the face...all they will need know is a slight bit of eveidence!

Still the same as what it once was...

[Ruiner]

^^^ Before, you had to try to find an "escape route" in a predicament. Now, or rather on July 1, you don't. If someone is walking up to you on the sidewalk, threatening you with harm, you don't have to turn and run. Later, QD.

Right. The other responses in this thread by other IA'ers are wrong in more or less terms.

[The Golden Child]

so whens the next gun show ??

[Ruiner]

so whens the next gun show ??

Now...and tomorrow.

[uproot]

so whens the next gun show ??

lol

[The Golden Child]

are you serious ..

where at ??

question now at the gun show ..

what would i need to pruchase a gun ??

is just and id fine ??

[MachNU]

How am i wrong on the first point....Self Defence before was A. In fear for your life. B. Had no place to run (backed into a corner). C. Had no chance left it was either you or them!

[quickdodge®]

^^^ LOLOL!!! Later, QD.

[The Golden Child]

lol

whats so funny ..
u know how many idiots are out there i fear for my safety ..
what if i get robbed on my way home ..
what if im walking my dog and someone wants to jump me for no reason ..
what if im food shopping and someone trys to steal my food ..
what if one day someone pulls a drive by on me ..

what if ..

[MachNU]

old way

Start with trouble in the street. The basic rule is that if You, a family member, or a friend are attacked, You can use any reasonable force needed to repel the aggressor. You can use greater force than You face - if it appears "reasonable" to You and You aren't held to a fine line in deciding the difference.

You can also use force to prevent an attack. If threatened, You need not wait for the blow to be struck. It's enough that you have a genuine belief that you or Your wife or child are in Present danger - even if it turns out that you were mistaken.

But there are limits on how far You can go on the street, you're under at least some obligation to try to avoid violence to retreat at least Part way, if Possible, before striking a blow in self-defense. But this is a fine legal line.

You become the aggressor when you use defensive force that is clearly excessive. For example, you can't respond to the threat of a clenched fist with a gun and quick shooting, nor can you beat a man severely with a cane simply because he shoved You on the sidewalk.


new way

A Georgia proposal to allow citizens to defend themselves with deadly force wherever they feel threatened is part of a campaign by the National Rifle Association in more than a dozen gun-friendly states in the West and South.

After winning a brawl with gun-control proponents in Florida last year, the NRA is pushing “castle doctrine” laws in 16 states, NRA spokeswoman Autumn Fogg said.

In states such as Georgia, where the state code already allows citizens to use deadly force to protect their homes and cars, the definition of “castle” is expanded to the entire public sphere.

“We want to make sure that the law is strengthened for the victim,” Fogg said. “We want to make sure that the law is very clearly stated that citizens no longer have a duty to retreat.

this is how i look at it

[Ruiner]

How am i wrong on the first point....Self Defence before was A. In fear for your life. B. Had no place to run (backed into a corner). C. Had no chance left it was either you or them!

You are wrong on all aspects in certain situations.
- Fear of life isn't needed, just great bodily harm.
- You do not need to retreat in certain areas
- You are allowed to defend yourself and property...

The old law said that you DO NOT have the duty to retreat if you were in your house, place of business, or vehicle, but were supposed to if in other public places.

Now, you do not have the duty to retreat in those public places.

[Ruiner]

are you serious ..

where at ??

question now at the gun show ..

what would i need to pruchase a gun ??

is just and id fine ??

Farmer's Market...

http://www.eastmangunshows.com/shows/gunshows.htm

[Ruiner]

-snip-
this is how i look at it

That's fine, but you didn't specify in the A, B, and C post about public vs habitation (vehicle, house, place of business) vs property.

There are different rules that govern different places under the old law.

[MachNU]

You are wrong on all aspects in certain situations.
- Fear of life isn't needed, just great bodily harm.
- You do not need to retreat in certain areas
- You are allowed to defend yourself and property...

The old law said that you DO NOT have the duty to retreat if you were in your house, place of business, or vehicle, but were supposed to if in other public places.

Now, you do not have the duty to retreat in those public places.

Your saying i am completely wrong? vVVVV

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

Thats why most people say in fear for there life...becuase great bodily harm to me comes down to near death.

Also we are not talking about homes nad such....everyone knows that. I am talking on the street.

[The Golden Child]

ok so you can have a gun in your house without a license, correct ?
but if you decide to bring it out you must have a carrying license, correct ?
now how do i get a carrying license ? how much does it cost ?
what information would i need to get a carrying license ?

[MachNU]

That's fine, but you didn't specify in the A, B, and C post about public vs habitation (vehicle, house, place of business) vs property.

There are different rules that govern different places under the old law.

yep....but your rule of protecting your domain(house) only works if someone kicks down your door with a shotgun or weapon in there hands and is there for the sole tention of killing you....then you coul dhave whipped out a gun and put one between there eyes. BUT if a person bust in your door to ROB your house and there is a door between you and him in the old way you would have had to try and shut that door to put room in between you and him.

"Secondly, if after having taken such proper precautions, a party should be assailed, he may undoubtedly repel force by force, but in most instances cannot, under the pretext that he has been attacked, use force enough to kill the assailant or hurt him after he has secured himself from danger; such as if a person unarmed enters a house to commit a larceny, while there he does not threaten any one, nor does any act which manifests an intention to hurt any one, and there are a number of persons present who may easily secure him, no one will be justifiable to do him any injury, much less to kill him; he ought to be secured and delivered to the public authorities. "

[Ruiner]

yep....but your rule of protecting your domain(house) only works if someone kicks down your door with a shotgun or weapon in there hands and is there for the sole tention of killing you....then you coul dhave whipped out a gun and put one between there eyes. BUT if a person bust in your door to ROB your house and there is a door between you and him in the old way you would have had to try and shut that door to put room in between you and him.

Wrong. They do not have to have a weapon when they come in your house/car/place of business. You DO NOT have to retreat. The term used there is "forcible felony" in the old law. Breaking and entering is a forcible felony. I can bust out the GA code if you want and prove you wrong. If that is what it takes... Actually, I will...

For example, I had a guy open my car door and get INTO my passenger side of my vehicle one night at a gas station. I pulled my gun on him and he stopped. Now, weapon or not, I could have shot him.

"Secondly, if after having taken such proper precautions, a party should be assailed, he may undoubtedly repel force by force, but in most instances cannot, under the pretext that he has been attacked, use force enough to kill the assailant or hurt him after he has secured himself from danger; such as if a person unarmed enters a house to commit a larceny, while there he does not threaten any one, nor does any act which manifests an intention to hurt any one, and there are a number of persons present who may easily secure him, no one will be justifiable to do him any injury, much less to kill him; he ought to be secured and delivered to the public authorities. "

Where did you get that quote from?

[Ruiner]

ok so you can have a gun in your house without a license, correct ?
but if you decide to bring it out you must have a carrying license, correct ?
now how do i get a carrying license ? how much does it cost ?
what information would i need to get a carrying license ?

A license is $45 or so. You get it from the probate judge of the county that you have residence in. You need to be 21 and cannot have any felonies, domestic violence, or mental issues.

[MachNU]

Just a general law library online! Gives you legal term definitions!

[The Golden Child]

A license is $45 or so. You get it from the probate judge of the county that you have residence in. You need to be 21 and cannot have any felonies, domestic violence, or mental issues.

im 22 and i got arrested for a fight so i guess that would mean i cannot get a license ..
i already paid the ticket off and went to court for it ..

is there somewhere i can look and see whats close to me so i can go apply for one ..

[quickdodge®]

His Dad is a lawyer. Later, QD.

[MachNU]

For example, I had a guy open my car door and get INTO my passenger side of my vehicle one night at a gas station. I pulled my gun on him and he stopped. Now, weapon or not, I could have shot him.

Had you shoot him though you would have been arrested!

[quickdodge®]

^^^ Wrong. He invaded the personal posession. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

is there somewhere i can look and see whats close to me so i can go apply for one ..

Just go to the courthouse of the county you live in. That's where you apply. Later, QD.

[The Golden Child]

His Dad is a lawyer. Later, QD.

me or ruiner ?

[MachNU]

^^^ Wrong. He invaded the personal posession. Later, QD.

Wrong, under old law he used more force than was nessasary. The guy had no weapon and was not there to cause physical harm...so shooting him was using way more force that the situation needed. But under new law then you are right!

[MachNU]

Okay i am lost are we argueing the new or old law?

[The Golden Child]

Just go to the courthouse of the county you live in. That's where you apply. Later, QD.

thats the thing i dont know where theres a courthouse in my area ..

[quickdodge®]

me or ruiner ?

Ruiner. Later, QD.