Very true. Very true. That's why your %s make it a tough debate. VERY tough. Good job on a thread that promotes thought. But b/c it IS a thread like that, it will most likely not be very popular... most people are not capable of abstract thought, or articulating WHY they feel a certain way. They can say WHAT they feel, but not why, this is gonna be the 1 I am thinking about on my drive home... good stuff.