What Do You Want To See At Car Events???
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE AT CAR EVENTS???
i know w/ the poor turnout at Formula D this weekend definately got everyone alittle questioning the scene... what does it take to get you kids out to events??? what do show/race promoters have to do to get butts in seats, participants, etc...??? what do you think the scene needs less/more of??? what would get you out to more events???
I think the reason for the bad turnout was the sun. One of my asian friends went and now hes turned from yellow tor red
lower the damn prices for entrance!
and more new stuff.... seems like every show is the same damn thing
:boobies: <------lots and lots of boobies
no seriously though:
well having the event on a friday kinda killed it right there....trying to fight atlanta traffic on a friday....good fucking luck....
saturday was seemed to be same amount of people from last year...
-having a better car show
-more activities
-after you walk the pits once or twice it's pretty much done for...that was the only thing to do during the lull moments b/w the drifting....
all i can think of right now....
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Originally Posted by Halfwit
Paul I think the big reason for the turnouts is the shift of time and money. Shows have gotten very expensive to attend and to show. Also, I think times have def. changed. Show cars used to be the big craze, now it seems that drifting and performance are the big craze. In regards to the Road Atlanta show though, I dunno, maybe because it was a pretty far drive. Overall though, I think it all comes down to $$$$. For Example, Formula D was $45, then the Dub show is $50 to registar, then the following weekend is $55 for HIN. Thats $150 in one month for shows. It is getting way to pricey for people now. On a positive side note to that, it keeps alot of the non-serious people from registaring because it is expensive.
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need better examples and more detail...lower the damn prices for entrance!
and more new stuff.... seems like every show is the same damn thing
not talking just Drift Atlanta, but HIN, NOPI, TUNERFEST, IMPORTSHOWDOWN, IMPORT FACEOFF, etc.... what does it take to get a successful show here in Atlanta, what do we need to do as promoters to get you guys out supporting the scene....
personally if if doesn't pick up you won't see these events much larger... i know HIN Atlanta is one of their smallest events... granted you may not be into show cars, but supporting the scene is what it takes to make it a good scene overall.
^ditto^
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i agree w/ the exspense involved w/ showing, but isn't that what is about? i remember a time where i did 3 shows in a weekend... i was a complete show whore.Paul I think the big reason for the turnouts is the shift of time and money. Shows have gotten very expensive to attend and to show. Also, I think times have def. changed. Show cars used to be the big craze, now it seems that drifting and performance are the big craze. In regards to the Road Atlanta show though, I dunno, maybe because it was a pretty far drive. Overall though, I think it all comes down to $$$$. For Example, Formula D was $45, then the Dub show is $50 to registar, then the following weekend is $55 for HIN. Thats $150 in one month for shows. It is getting way to pricey for people now. On a side note to that, it keeps alot of the non-serious people from registaring because it is expensive.
now as far as drifting/performance, shows are starting to incorporate all aspects, like this past event or tunerfest, nopi drags, etc... so the events are here.
id be out there supporting the hell out of the scene if i had the time money and availability to be able to do that all the time
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There are very few people that feel that way though Paul. I was amazed at the poor turnout of HIN Charlotte. I was shocked!! However, people are out in the parking lot trying to show there car off OUTSIDE of HIN. I just think people can't justify spending $50+ on a show. I do it, but not everybody feels that way. Unfortunatly, I have a feeling that it is a downward spiral. Companies will raise the price to compensate for the loss of participants and it will keep getting fewer and fewer.
Another aspect is back to back weekends. Alot of people in the show scene are students and dont have 9am-5pm jobs. Therefore, alot of the people in the scene work weekends. It is very hard to take off work for back to back weekend shows.
Just maybe some possibilities of the turnout being smaller. Shows should give out gas cards as awards. LOL.
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when national shows stop coming to GA... then everyone will be complaining , just like it was 6/7 years ago...
People always complained all we got in GA is the NOPI NATS and look now..
^^Agreed, the prices are to high, if they wanna lower the prices I say make them all out door shows. During the evening and night.
very tru... i think clubs need to work on more prereg and target the shows early that your going to hit... this helps promoter cut down cost as well as you. i remember back when i was showing i knew weeks ahead of time where/when/how much... i see alot of people trying to do this last minute stitch... that normally ends up costing you more money... pace yourself through the season. and there are tons of meets/events that are free to get in... shit we meet every thursday/saturday nights... support the scene, make club outins to such events.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
when national shows stop coming to GA... then everyone will be complaining , just like it was 6/7 years ago...
People always complained all we got in GA is the NOPI NATS and look now..
money is a big thing, the cars are mostly always the same ol ones that are at every single show. Alot of people dont participate in a lot of shows because of the way they are judged. From my experience i think all shows should go by manufacturer rather than import or domestic. Another thing is for example honda has so many to narrow it down more to best civic etc...Free giveaways and stuff are always good, but overall thigns just arnt changing enough to keep all the interest. You can see all the cars in a show on or better on a friday or saturday night driving down pleasant hill thats why show attendances have taken a drop.
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I think shows are lacking in a few key areas these days. Shows have become kind of boring lately, meaning we go to a show, shell out a minimum of $25 and sit down, and that’s all we do all day. They don’t have events going on at the shows to keep both the people showing and the spectator’s interest up. Granted certain shows, Like the IA show, HIN, etc have plenty of side things going on through the day to keep interest going, but many shows do not do this. Another thing also is I think night events seem to get more people who come to show and to spectate. for a few reasons…. One is cooler of course and also its different, you get to see stuff on the cars you don’t get to see in day shows, usually more eye catching visual stuff is on display with the cars, etc.
As far as prices, I am not sure how much that affects the shows these days, I mean when SLAP was heavy in Atlanta the shows there were $25. That didn’t stop me from doing 2 shows a weekend, when it comes to shows like HIN, DUB, etc I don’t see a issue with paying $45-$55 to enter. You are not putting your car into just a “local” show, you are putting your car in with some of the most elite cars in Atlanta and across the country, you have many spectators and manufactuers there, so to me, the exposure you get in that and from the magazines there are priceless I think.
People who know me know I was a MAJOR show whore up till this year, I was at shows every weekend hitting sometimes 2 a week, I have no problem dropping the money to show, I have a blast showing my car, It is nice to watch people look at what you have invested time and money in, and talk to people about your car and what they have and what they plan to do to theirs, etc. I would be a shopw whore this year but so far there isnt many shows to hit yet, but I know its still early in the season to.
The show season this year is off to a VERY slow start. I have shown at 1 show so far, by now any other year I would have hit at least 5-6 by now, But WE MAKE THE SHOW SCENE what it is. If you people feel its dying, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! Start coming to the local shows, large or small, it doesn’t matter. We are what keep shows coming; we are what keep shows popping up from weekend to weekend. We have allowed the show scene to slow down, last year was the worst I have seen yet, I hit MAYBE 10 shows last year, when the year before that I hit about 30+ shows.
I think if more people are aware of the events (Believe it or not, not everyone knows of IA…lol) I think we could spark more interest again. So many people 2-3 years ago who were so heavy into shows have dropped the show scene and gone more into speed, drifting, or just moved on all together. That has hurt the way shows are for sure, Granted every year new people come into it, But a lot of people do not have the dedication or passion like we saw at its peak a few years ago. The lack of clubs taking a hardcore stance on showing to has hurt, when the clubs a few years ago were huge, there was fun rivalries, etc that kept the passion in it for clubs, but alot of clubs are as passionate as they once were and some of vanished, and that also hurts turnout.
Another thing is the new trends like drifting have taken people from shows and put them into a new passion, so that hurts it as well.
Basically I think it more comes to things to do at shows, and getting the word out about the shows is more of a issue then what it costs to enter a show.
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I agree about the boobies...j/k
Everyone has made a valid point, on my end it is more time and money than anything else.
i just want to see interactive activities... more of the driving stuff, maybe video game competitions, sports stuff, etc... if you're trying to get lots of people you have to appeal to many groups at one time.
Cost is always a factor.
For spectators paying $25-55.00 to see the same damn cars week after week doesn't make sense. I think most promoters think that if they charge more for entry and registration, they have a far less chance of losing money with a bad turn out.
May be try to decrease entry fees and promote a better show....really WOW some people into showing up. Maybe $5.00 advance ticket sales, 15.00 at the gate. Give someone a reason to schedule their time to be there.
Think outside the box when considering car show classes. Maybe a "special invitations" or "Best or the Best" class. Keep top performing cars built on an almost unlimited budget competing together. Give some of the beginners some chance of winning top awards. Invite these "Best of" cars with a reduced or waived entrance fee. Even though the car was built with no expense spared...Keeping these cars looking the way the do and transporting them to each event is a HUGE expense. Invite them and offer them an opportunity to win a great prize. Cash is king...but maybe an all inclusive vacation "donated" by a travel agency in return of show sponsorship would draw some attention.
Get rid of "Top 100". It sucks. Especially when only 86 cars entered. Spending your money to receive the same recognition as a stock civic with a nice APC logo doesn't make you feel good. It makes you not want to show your car.
"Peoples Choice" usually goes along way, especially when you can regulate voting to one per person. A lot pf people could care less about what a judge thinks...he or she is more into what the crowd thinks.
Use two-hand touch judging. Allowing one judge per car never made sense.
Invite a lot of vendors. Contact them early as most of their budget is spent by January 30 of each year. Offer them reduced entry fees in return for product and service giveaways. It's far harder to get them to spend $1,000 to attend your event, they'd much rather give you $250 in cash and $1,000 in giveaways.
Have points program tied in with other local shows. Use large events as a "finals" or double or triple point shows.
Boobies. They work when you can look at the girls without needing beer goggles. Some of the girls chosen to compete, although they have far more guts to get up on stage then most of the people watching me included, aren't always the type of girls that draw huge crowds. These shows are planned way in advance....plenty of time to "research" perfect talent.
There's TON's of cool shit to think about...keep it different from every other show....DJ contest...Freestyle competition (QD would probably compete), burnout, "Ricer" car smash. Charge $2.00 per whack at an outrageously riced out import.
Use your imagination....make it fun.
Wow...I actually will be goin to my first show at Tunerfest on JUne 18th so I can not comment on this subgect BUt as Far as Turnouts Paul..I know that As a Club Promoter and DJ I have seen a Huige DRop InNubers of people who care..Basically thats It. Most People want to socialize in Parking Lots because It's free and all..We have the same problem W/ Clubs..Maybe Giving a REal ARTist or Musician a Live show at a Event could help you all out..JUst a Thought..
What type of vendors and activites would you want to see at the shows to make it more exciting/fun?
activities wise:
-an auto-x course or something.....(easy to setup)
-test drives (like BF Goodrich does at NOPI)
yousef
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hmmm - what about "smaller" activities?
I am targeting brands for grassroot marketing campaigns. This thread hopefully can give me some ideas.
to me the show scene has died down just a little bit b/c...... ( this is what i think )
me for one liked to go to small shows , charities , h/s shows....etc , as well as major shows. i have found that places north of atlanta are more strict on local shows then in the past 5yrs. that kills it alot b/c not every group wanting to throw a nice little show has a 1mill. dollar insurance policie to put down.
also , there is alot of more go than show nowadays , which is cool. why not include that into the show scene a little more? instead the motor heads get a bad rap on tv (news ) . we need to incorporate that more than havin drag races and shit . maybe have their own class or something?
i dont know about yall , but seeing something swapped , turboed or supercharged gets me going just like a clean paint job or headlight conversion.
to sum it up i think there is a split in the scene and we need to get it back together again.
my 2 cents................
biggest problem there is space... you need a huge huge venue to have a carshow/auto-x type of event. that and most venues don't want the tire marks and liability involved in that type of event.
only the idiot streetracers/wannabe drifters
I totally agree with Justunez. It's about being different. It's about interactive activities with everyone, competitors and spectators.
I really really like the "people's choice" award part. I for one work hard at every show and have had a lot of people tell me they'd love to be able to have a "vote" in the cars that said something to them.
Price has to do with it, but to some of us it really doesn't matter. We're going to go to as many shows as our schedule allows regardless of cost. Promoters need to walk around and instead of passing out flyers for their next show, they need to watch which competitors interact with the spectators and invite those folks back. Reduce their entry fees or even waive them. Those type of competitors are the ones that promote your shows by making people want to come back. Before I got into the scene, I was a faithful spectator. I was always into performance first and looks later. The only reason I started showing was because of competitors that answered my questions and didn't treat me like a noob.
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Sadly that is a issue that will never go away, It still to this day amzes me how alot of the people who choose to do the "GO" route want the respect from people but they have and never will give respect to the "Show" people. You dont see the show side bashing what they do, But they are ALWAYS the ones jumping on the bandwagon to bash show cars, that line will always be there, sad to say.
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...valid point
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thanx for all the feedback guys keep it coming... i know a few big show promoters i will be forwarding this on to...
just catchin up to this thread but i just can't see goin and payin 30 dollars to look at the same local cars week after week...like this past weekend...5 bucks and you can get in and everyone sees your car and you park 50 feet from the track or 35-40 bucks and you get to park 200 yards from the track....spectator fees should not be as much as it cost to enter your car in a show....
- More activities (nobody likes to sit around and look at cars allday...its fun , but its gets boring quick especially when ts hot)
maybe a grudge match or soem shit, or some prizes for times, and RT, etc... Maybe a classed tournament or something.
- Longer Dyno Time (if u all have it again)
The 30$ wasnt too bad, but it was lil much..just to be able to look at some local cars. And run on the track.
One thing that is missing is the PEOPLE! I watch these threads, look at the responses about "the scene is dying" but those SAME people don't show up at the shows. Complain about it being boring, and "local cars"...these are issues based on lack of participants which means all of the people that sit here and say "that show sucks" or whatever. You can't fix weather, and EVERYTHING is more expensive these days...nobody can argue whether you can/want to spend the money.
-You want more "non local cars"? Promote the shows, get off your butt and show up, even if you don't have a show car
-You want more events at shows? Give those companies a reason to spend the time and money to come out to the shows by showing up yourself.
-You want you want you want.....what are you giving to the scene to make these companies come out, these shows to come out???????
this is a valid point alot of GO people can be assholes and i used to be for the show route myself but have converted over. I only buy parts that will benefit my performance now. I still respect a nice show car when i see it and like all imports/domestics despite what it has in it. I just hate the people who are jerks about what they have.
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Honestly, I wonder if the rise in gas prices and the uncertainity of the price (i.e not stable) has tuners not able to attend meets/shows. It may seem not like much but tuners LOVE to drive and when gas prices go up, it directly effects this market. Now people have to make RATIONAL choices. They can no longer cruise so they feel "to hell with a show when I can put that money in my gas tank".
Tuners are not weathly, many put much of their extra income right into their car. With gas prices up (as well as EVERYTHING, food, utilities etc etc) tuners have less money to spend on shows and less money for gas to go to meets.
High gas prices kill the fun.
Add to the fact most shows are pretty much identical. Some women, some cars, some ads on your car, some trophies.
Finally, I have noticed in my short time in the scene, that it was about DRIVING your SHOW car. Today, with the large companies in the scene which is good, but its bad as they dump all this money in cars they don't really drive. OF COURSE they will win and get the attention. Its not fair to the daily driven car/guy who puts his heart into his car and the scene, only to lose by some rich company who doesn't drive the car.
A car with 10 miles vs a daily drive with 60k miles, guess who will win?
Finally people are fed up with piss poor judging, rude customer service and just a "fuck off" attitude to show goers even though they paid hella money to get in.
yet another thing i've come to see is the decline in local meets. i dunno which came/went first but it just seems that back when we had the big IA meets like at Hybrid or better yet the toys'r'us days things were just friendlier. people would take the time to meet each other and talk, and with that came the "hey you coming to the show at xxxxxxx this weekend?". word spread more easily, and people felt more comfortable around each other. maybe it's all the 'net drama that's kind of made a lot of people shy away from it?
IMO:
The show we (FI) threw last year at Lanier had a lot of these problems solved.....
We had contests, team games, stereo comp, show, prizes, food, "boobies"..... and it ended up being one of the biggest club shows of the year.... and I still hear to this day from peeps it was a good show... yet I would say less than 20% of IA members even showed up and you all know who you are..... and I whored out the invites on the show everywhere......
Admission was cheap... in comparison..... Tons of classes.....
I noticed there is a lot of talking on here but no action.....
A lot of you are saying give us this or that.... or do this or that.... and I want t know why???? Why should a show come along and offer everything under the sun when the so called scene doesn't even show up..... Why are there clubs when they do not support eachothers shows????
the rivalry helps with the competition..... The big clubs... or more elite clubs should step up and do more local stuff as well..... that will get the smaller ones invloved also....
Prices are on the rise.... but so what..... its not a FREE Hobby or Sport....
I also do not think that sponsored cars or corporate cars are killing it for the average joe.... as long as the show has appropriate classes.... getting beaten all the time gives you motivation to improve.... well me anyways.....
and don't you all think that if every show had 100+ cars that prices would be cheaper..... if clubs pre registered a set amount they would get a discount..... there is too many of you bitching.... thats all.......
I also think the judging thing is blown out of proportion..... yeah it would be awesome if there was 2 judges per car..... but it is at times hard to be able to get the good judges..... and most guys that know their shit prefer not to judge.... so they do not have to face the pricks that have a problem with the outcome....
Somehow combining the show and go is a good idea.....
Well this is just my opinion.....
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i agree.
I believe something like Import Showdown is a very successful event. The location for the event (although extremely far from civilization) was a perfect place for a car event... a 1/4mi dragstrip. The competition classes were very well divided up into several catagories. This encourged almost anyone with a certain setup on their car to compete for prizes. They also allowed for test & tune runs during the event for anyone at all... of course this encourages anyone who wants to race their car legally to come out. The parking area provided a huge space for people to park and show off their rides and meet ppl. Vendors had tents set up everywhere too... it may have lacked in the "boobies" area, but that's fine... there was a lot of cars and plenty of fast ones.
If you're going to have a drag race event, PLEASE make the classes fair and competitive... having just one class for fastest ET or fastest trap speed is NOT fair for everyone... Import Showdown had the right idea with the classes being divided up.
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^You want you want you want.....what are you giving to the scene to make these companies come out, these shows to come out???????, this is a very good point.
if you like the scene you are in the only way to make it better is put in the time/effort... you don't have to have a BOS car or 10 sec car to make an impact. just think about this... THIS SITE WAS STARTED BY A CAR CLUB, AND HAS NOW GROWN TO BE A STOMPING GROUND FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE SCENE IN GA/SOUTH... i commend clubs like wTn who are still out trying to buld the scene they are on their 4th show. the scene is about having fun w/ people w/ the same interest and meeting new people.
if you want bigger shows, more interesting shows, you need to show the promoters what the scene has to offer... there are meets every thursday/saturday.... i've seen 10 cars i've seen over 100 there. though it doesn't seem like a big deal, but it is that is the local scene; w/o that there is not big events.
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