for all of the IA h8ters!!!

[B18c1Turboed]

Just to be clear I said Dan and Peter, I just think people have a very misguided view of how drag racing works. If you do get any money out of sponsors your lucky if it pays your hotel and food bills for the weekend.

Matt

I just dont think anything should be taken away from guys like Peter and Dan who put in a lot and I do me a lot of later hours working on their own cars.

Like i said before not taking anything away from them at all,But even if you have a sponsor giving you say 2k thats more than most racers have or get to show up too the races.
Let say Dan gets 5k for anything he wants say hotel, food so forth ok that is being sponsored.
Now lets say Peter gets nothing from any sponors but goes to races and pays for his own hotel and food.
See if he would have had that 5k a sponor gave him it would have helped so he could have put more money in the car and made it faster.

So there is a diffrence in a SPONSORED car and a not sponsored car!!

[4dmin]

Like i said before not taking anything away from them at all,But even if you have a sponsor giving you say 2k thats more than most racers have or get to show up too the races.
Let say Dan gets 5k for anything he wants say hotel, food so forth ok that is being sponsored.
Now lets say Peter gets nothing from any sponors but goes to races and pays for his own hotel and food.
See if he would have had that 5k a sponor gave him it would have helped so he could have put more money in the car and made it faster.

So there is a diffrence in a SPONSORED car and a not sponsored car!!

this is completely true, but dan's car was built orginally w/ his blood sweat tears... i know for a fact that the original sponsors he had were product, tires, turbo, etc... so ya a sponsored car does have some advantage, but so does shop cars vs. individual cars... but who cares all deserve mad respect. even w/ all the $$$ in the world only a good driver can pull those times... everyone in that top 10 could drive anything to its limit all BS aside. for that they are cool in my book for that.

[93H22ACX]

this is completely true, but dan's car was built orginally w/ his blood sweat tears... i know for a fact that the original sponsors he had were product, tires, turbo, etc... so ya a sponsored car does have some advantage, but so does shop cars vs. individual cars... but who cares all deserve mad respect. even w/ all the $$$ in the world only a good driver can pull those times... everyone in that top 10 could drive anything to its limit all BS aside. for that they are cool in my book for that.

off topic.. is that you picking ur nose paul BWAHAHHAHA

[4dmin]

off topic.. is that you picking ur nose paul BWAHAHHAHA

lol ya... i needed a new avatar and thats all i could come up w/

[Ya2Civic]

Why is that people always have negative things to say about shop cars. Alot of the times the term being sponsored is taken the wrong way. We may get a free turbo or manifold once in a while but the the majority of the parts and labor are out of the shops pocket. If dan works on his car during the day he is paying for it becuase no matter what car he works on the bills still need to be paid.

In my opinion i think it is more of a challenge for shops to build shop cars because at the end of the day we have been working all day on cars and the last thing you want to continue doing is working on more cars.

I respect the guys who build their cars at home but sometimes it sounds like the feeling is not mutual.

For those that say we are not part of IA FUCK OFF!

Only because i dont have one million post dont mean that i havent been on the forums. By the way i have been a member longer than most of you.

Congrats to the cars pushing those numbers i know it takes a lot of work & money.

[B18c1Turboed]

Why is that people always have negative things to say about shop cars. Alot of the times the term being sponsored is taken the wrong way. We may get a free turbo or manifold once in a while but the the majority of the parts and labor are out of the shops pocket. If dan works on his car during the day he is paying for it becuase no matter what car he works on the bills still need to be paid.

In my opinion i think it is more of a challenge for shops to build shop cars because at the end of the day we have been working all day on cars and the last thing you want to continue doing is working on more cars.

I respect the guys who build their cars at home but sometimes it sounds like the feeling is not mutual.

For those that say we are not part of IA FUCK OFF!

Only because i dont have one million post dont mean that i havent been on the forums. By the way i have been a member longer than most of you.

Congrats to the cars pushing those numbers i know it takes a lot of work & money.

Yamil hey whast up this is Danny!
I was just saying a shop car and sponsored cars are diffrent, even with you getting a turbo or manifold or so forth that helps you guys also.

Yea tru about working on customers cars all day then working on your own but it goes both ways.I know alot of people that bust there ass all day ( NOT ME,HAHA) at work doing contractor work and so forth then having to go home and sleep under there cars to get it done,and they dont have the tools or lifts as a shop has access too, thats just my point!! take it how you want

Hey what happened in MIR why did you get DQ?

[Ya2Civic]

Yamil hey whast up this is Danny!
I was just saying a shop car and sponsored cars are diffrent, even with you getting a turbo or manifold or so forth that helps you guys also.

Yea tru about working on customers cars all day then working on your own but it goes both ways.I know alot of people that bust there ass all day ( NOT ME,HAHA) at work doing contractor work and so forth then having to go home and sleep under there cars to get it done,and they dont have the tools or lifts as a shop has access too, thats just my point!! take it how you want

Hey what happened in MIR why did you get DQ?

I did not qualify, i broke the tranny first pass. I was done for the weekend at that point.

I understand what your saying but people make it sound like shop cars get everything for free. You know what type of money i put into my cars and it comes from my pocket not sponsors.

[iloveboost]

Why is that people always have negative things to say about shop cars. Alot of the times the term being sponsored is taken the wrong way. We may get a free turbo or manifold once in a while but the the majority of the parts and labor are out of the shops pocket. If dan works on his car during the day he is paying for it becuase no matter what car he works on the bills still need to be paid.

Well, not that anyone is hating on shop cars, but it's much easier to build when someone gives you free parts to put their name on your car. It's also much easier when you have sponsors paying thousands of dollars to help build the car. Not to mention having every tool necessary that the average person doesn't have.

But one thing you cannot argue is the fact that these shops get to write off all the parts bought for the cars. If you even put your shop sticker on the car, you get to write the car off too. So don't tell me it costs just as much to build a shop car to an owner as it is a personal car to your average John Doe.

Personal cars with no shop affiliation are much harder to get to go fast considering all money comes from your pocket. No one else's.

[B18c1Turboed]

Well, not that anyone is hating on shop cars, but it's much easier to build when someone gives you free parts to put their name on your car. It's also much easier when you have sponsors paying thousands of dollars to help build the car. Not to mention having every tool necessary that the average person doesn't have.

But one thing you cannot argue is the fact that these shops get to write off all the parts bought for the cars. If you even put your shop sticker on the car, you get to write the car off too. So don't tell me it costs just as much to build a shop car to an owner as it is a personal car to your average John Doe.

Personal cars with no shop affiliation are much harder to get to go fast considering all money comes from your pocket. No one else's.

Damm i love the way you put that!!

Sorry about tranny, Damm you guys sure go thru alot of them,isnt that what kept Chris out in Al also

[fight club]

i dont think shop cars should be forgotten, but in most cases, a shops pocket is deeper than the average tuner. not to mention, shops installing stuff on their car costs them nothing but an opertunity cost. not to mention tuning, if a shop is tuning their car, its alot cheaper lol.

[93H22ACX]

deeper pocket just because they have their own business and work hard... most of the stuff they get for use was bought by their funds/finance and time in learning how to do things (building, installing, tuning, etc).

[Ya2Civic]

Well, not that anyone is hating on shop cars, but it's much easier to build when someone gives you free parts to put their name on your car. It's also much easier when you have sponsors paying thousands of dollars to help build the car. Not to mention having every tool necessary that the average person doesn't have.

But one thing you cannot argue is the fact that these shops get to write off all the parts bought for the cars. If you even put your shop sticker on the car, you get to write the car off too. So don't tell me it costs just as much to build a shop car to an owner as it is a personal car to your average John Doe.

Personal cars with no shop affiliation are much harder to get to go fast considering all money comes from your pocket. No one else's.

Thats what i am referring to all shops dont have sponsors. Yes you are correct we do have access to all the tools necessary to build these cars.

Let me ask you a question who paid for all the tools? I hope you dont think its sponsors.

In our case we dont have sponsors who give us thousand of dollars. The only money that goes into my car is personal money that i work hard for.

[iloveboost]

I'm in no way trying to discredit shop cars. But if you're going to rank cars, rank them accordingly.

I would expect nothing less for a company-backed car to beat mine.

Rank the privately owned cars against each other, and then let the shops be ranked in their own class. Or just keep doing it the way it's being done. I could personally care less.

[iloveboost]

Thats what i am referring to all shops dont have sponsors. Yes you are correct we do have access to all the tools necessary to build these cars.

Let me ask you a question who paid for all the tools? I hope you dont think its sponsors.

In our case we dont have sponsors who give us thousand of dollars. The only money that goes into my car is personal money that i work hard for.

I don't know you, or who you are, or what your affiliation is to AAP, but as far as SHOP cars go... everything gets written off. Including the tools, gas, oil, shop rags, and the little air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror.

If your personal car is on that list, awesome! I'm honestly impressed. Not to say I'm not impressed if it was your shop's money that paid for it, but if it was, it should be ranked with other shop cars. That's all I'm saying.

Now take the private owners for example. They don't get the priveledge of writing off their tools. They go to a race, guess what, straight out of their pocket. The truck used to tow it to the race if that applies, guess what, straight out of someone's pocket.

This is why I'm stating it's much easier (lifts, tools), and more cost effective (writing off even the entire car itself) to make a shop owner's car fast.

You cannot argue that fact. Let nothing I say be taken out of context. I'm not trying to discredit anyone for having a fast car.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

I don't know you, or who you are, or what your affiliation is to AAP, but as far as SHOP cars go... everything gets written off. Including the tools, gas, oil, shop rags, and the little air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror.

If your personal car is on that list, awesome! I'm honestly impressed. Not to say I'm not impressed if it was your shop's money that paid for it, but if it was, it should be ranked with other shop cars. That's all I'm saying.

Now take the private owners for example. They don't get the priveledge of writing off their tools. They go to a race, guess what, straight out of their pocket. The truck used to tow it to the race if that applies, guess what, straight out of someone's pocket.

This is why I'm stating it's much easier (lifts, tools), and more cost effective (writing off even the entire car itself) to make a shop owner's car fast.

You cannot argue that fact. Let nothing I say be taken out of context. I'm not trying to discredit anyone for having a fast car.

very well said, i agree with you 100%

+1

[Ya2Civic]

i dont think shop cars should be forgotten, but in most cases, a shops pocket is deeper than the average tuner. not to mention, shops installing stuff on their car costs them nothing but an opertunity cost. not to mention tuning, if a shop is tuning their car, its alot cheaper lol.

Thats were your mistaken, alot of shops do not have deeper pockets. Most shops struggle to keep thier doors open.

By the way tuning is not that cheap spending 20k on a dyno is pretty expensive and not to mention that having the lights on and equipment running becomes pretty expensive.

I know of a few shops were they have been close to going out of business.

[Ya2Civic]

I don't know you, or who you are, or what your affiliation is to AAP, but as far as SHOP cars go... everything gets written off. Including the tools, gas, oil, shop rags, and the little air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror.

If your personal car is on that list, awesome! I'm honestly impressed. Not to say I'm not impressed if it was your shop's money that paid for it, but if it was, it should be ranked with other shop cars. That's all I'm saying.

Now take the private owners for example. They don't get the priveledge of writing off their tools. They go to a race, guess what, straight out of their pocket. The truck used to tow it to the race if that applies, guess what, straight out of someone's pocket.

This is why I'm stating it's much easier (lifts, tools), and more cost effective (writing off even the entire car itself) to make a shop owner's car fast.

You cannot argue that fact. Let nothing I say be taken out of context. I'm not trying to discredit anyone for having a fast car.

I understand where you are coming from and the only reason i continue to post is becuase we are having a intelligent adult conversation.

I usually never post on here because its always some type of flame war. This is one of the few topics where its has stayed on track.

The only thing that i would like for you to understand is that it is also a struggle for shops and shop cars. It is not as pretty as most think.

[Big Baller]

I don't know you, or who you are, or what your affiliation is to AAP, but as far as SHOP cars go... everything gets written off. Including the tools, gas, oil, shop rags, and the little air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror.

If your personal car is on that list, awesome! I'm honestly impressed. Not to say I'm not impressed if it was your shop's money that paid for it, but if it was, it should be ranked with other shop cars. That's all I'm saying.

Now take the private owners for example. They don't get the priveledge of writing off their tools. They go to a race, guess what, straight out of their pocket. The truck used to tow it to the race if that applies, guess what, straight out of someone's pocket.

This is why I'm stating it's much easier (lifts, tools), and more cost effective (writing off even the entire car itself) to make a shop owner's car fast.

You cannot argue that fact. Let nothing I say be taken out of context. I'm not trying to discredit anyone for having a fast car.

Most of the parts for the cars cant be written off. Actually you can write them off, and then the IRS will come to your house go through all your records and tell you that you cant write them off.

Matt

[93H22ACX]

I understand where you are coming from and the only reason i continue to post is becuase we are having a intelligent adult conversation.

I usually never post on here because its always some type of flame war. This is one of the few topics where its has stayed on track.

The only thing that i would like for you to understand is that it is also a struggle for shops and shop cars. It is not as pretty as most think.

people have to remember that import racing does not have the kind of backing as say alcohol / nascar racers do.

most people i know think its the same :confused:

[iloveboost]

I understand that $1 from your pocket is the same as a $1 from mine. But I'm just saying I won't get to write off that $1 at the end of the year.

I can't imagine what the IRS would tell me if I tried to write off my entire engine, the car, my entire build, gas, insurance, tires, and oil for my car.

And I too rarely frequent the WhoresLounge as it's hard to filter out all the useless drama and garbage you find in here.

[iloveboost]

Most of the parts for the cars cant be written off. Actually you can write them off, and then the IRS will come to your house go through all your records and tell you that you cant write them off.

Matt

Dan can (and I'm sure he does) slap some Batlground stickers on his Evo, and guess what happens come tax time? While I'm sure there are questionable parts/accessories that come in to play, the car itself is a huge write off. As is the truck to tow it with, and the trailer.

[Ya2Civic]

people have to remember that import racing does not have the kind of backing as say alcohol / nascar racers do.

most people i know think its the same :confused:

Very well put. It just isnt there in the import scene.

[Big Baller]

Dan can (and I'm sure he does) slap some Batlground stickers on his Evo, and guess what happens come tax time? While I'm sure there are questionable parts/accessories that come in to play, the car itself is a huge write off. As is the truck to tow it with, and the trailer.

As the son and grandson of a CPA I can assure you that it does not work that way.

If you want the IRS knocking on your door just go ahead and try it.

[B18c1Turboed]

As the son and grandson of a CPA I can assure you that it does not work that way.

If you want the IRS knocking on your door just go ahead and try it.

well the way that he write these things off ,is advertising. Belive it or not you can write that stuff off, i have checked into doing it.The only reason why i cant is i own a insurance agency not a shop. A shop can write it off because it falls under advertising for that company.And there buisness is working on cars

Why do you think full race and all these people sponsor cars to get there name out there and the parts they give they write off as advertising.It works in both ways for the company they get free advertising and they get a tax write off.

[Big Baller]

well the way that he write these things off ,is advertising. Belive it or not you can write that stuff off, i have checked into doing it.The only reason why i cant is i own a insurance agency not a shop. A shop can write it off because it falls under advertising for that company.And there buisness is working on cars

Why do you think full race and all these people sponsor cars to get there name out there and the parts they give they write off as advertising.It works in both ways for the company they get free advertising and they get a tax write off.

You can do it that way, but like I said its not legal. I can promise you. It just doesnt work that way. Even if it was a write off it still wouldnt be a 1 to 1 write off.