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    Default Grammar help for those on IA.com who cannot seem to get it right...

    Some of you guys cannot seem to get it right. You don't have to know how to spell everything in the dictionary, and you don't have to have the serial-semicolon rule embroidered on a pillow, but if you have reached voting age in the United States, you need to know the basics of English usage, because if you don't, you look like an idiot. No, don't. Don't start with that "grammar Nazi" business. Don't get all "nobody gives a shit about that crap" and "it's so anal, who cares" and "well, you know what I mean." I give a shit about that crap. I know it's anal, but I care, and so do a lot of other people -- people who respect you, but might respect you less when you dash off an email to the effect of "I'll meet you their"; people in a position to give you a job, who won't because you didn't proofread your cover letter and they don't appreciate your addressing them as "Deer Ms. So-And-So." And no, in fact, I don't know what you mean when you write me a hate thread that reads, "You're thread sucks," because that doesn't mean anything. Because it's grammatically incorrect. Because you've substituted a contraction of a verb phrase for an adjective, thus rendering the sentence nonsensical. And it makes you look stupid, and therefore I cannot take you seriously. Sorry, but it's the truth.

    You're/your. "You're" is a contraction of "you are." "Your" is a modifier. Very simple. Do not use "you're" to modify nouns. "Your keys." "Your desk." Do not use "your" as a second-person verb phrase. "You're up early." "You're leaving?" Here's a phrase with both: "You're moving your car, right?" In other words, you are moving the car that belongs to you. "You're" = verb phrase. "Your" = adjective. Everyone biffs it once in a while, but take it from someone who sees it over and over and over again, every day -- it's a glaring error. Learn it, live it, love it.

    Speaking of "every day": "Every day." That's an adjectival or adverbial phrase. "Everyday" is an adjective describing activities, clothing, or whatever. When do you go? "Every day." What do you wear? "Everyday business attire."

    Its/it's. Probably the most frequent grammatical error, and thus the most maddening, but it's the same principle as the "you're/your" rule above: "it's" is a contraction of "it is," and "its" is a modifier. Do not use "it's" to modify nouns. "Its trunk." "Its charter." Do not use "its" as a verb phrase. "It's raining." "It's hard to say." Here's a sentence with both: "It's got a dent in its fender." In other words, it has a dent in the fender that belongs to it. Take a minute when you write "it's" or "its" and make sure you've got the right one; people get paranoid that they need an apostrophe, so they'll throw one in when they don't need it. "It's" = verb phrase. "Its" = adjective. Learn it, live it, love it.

    They're/their/there. More of the same. "They're" is a contraction of "they are." "Their" is a modifier. "There" is a place. If you don't know which one to use, slow down for a minute and think about which one you need. "They're going there" and "their going there" don't mean the same thing. If "they are" doing something, use "they're." If something belongs to them, use "their." If it's a place they're headed on their trip, use "there." Got it? Good. And it's not spelled "thier." Or "the're." Spell-check is your friend. Learn it, live it, love it.

    Who's/whose. Fourth verse, same as the first. "Who's" is a contraction of "who is." "Whose" is a modifier. You'll run into problems with this most often in dependent clauses, like so: "The president, who's also the chairman of the board, is very ill." Because, see, he is also the chairman of the board. Or "the president, whose chairmanship is at stake, is very ill." Because, see, it's his chairmanship. Stop. Look at it. Decide which you need: a verb phrase, or a pronoun. "Who's" also functions as an interrogative, so if you need to ask a question about someone, you don't use "whose." "Who's got the bong?" "Who's coming tonight?" "Who's that?" is correct, and "Whose that?" is incorrect. This is not difficult. One fits in one situation; the other fits in the other. Figure out the situation; use the right one.

    Subjective/objective pronouns. Okay, here's the deal with these. If the pronoun is the object of a verb, it takes the objective case. (The objective case means words like "them," "us," "him," "her," and "me.") So many people got drilled as kids not to start sentences with "me and Sharon" blah blah blah that they think they have to put a subjective pronoun into every phrase or it doesn't sound right. Well, that doesn't sound right either; it sounds ignorant. "That's a matter for he and I to decide." Well, no, it isn't. It's a matter for "him and me" to decide, actually. Because "he" and "I" function as objects of the preposition "for." Here's another: "It's between he and I." No, it's between "him and me." Objective pronouns, remember? "Between" is a preposition. Prepositions always activate the objective case -- him, her, me -- and the subjective case follows the subject. Now here's a famous historical quotation that's not correct: "We have met the enemy, and it is us." "It is we" is correct, because the verb "to be" always takes a subjective pronoun, unless it's in the infinitive. "It is I," but "I've got to be me." I know it's tough to untangle sometimes, but here's the bottom line: if there's a preposition or an "action verb" in the sentence, you use the objective case. "She's coming with" who? Me. Us. Them.

    Where/we're/were. These aren't even close to each other. "Where" is an interrogative, or an indefinite pronoun. "We're" is a contraction of "we are." "Were" is the past tense of "are." Again, take a second to see that you've used the right one. "Were going to the movies"? Huh?

    Then/than. "Then" is an adverb. "Than" is a comparative. One denotes time; the other is the connective tissue of a sentence that signals a comparison, an upcoming subjunctive or dependent clause, or one of those other fun things that sentences contain. "I would rather eat nails than have to sit through another dance recital." "I will eat nails, and then I will sit through another dance recital." See the difference there? "Than again" isn't a phrase. It's "then again." Things do not "cost less then" other things. A "than/then" mistake is usually a careless one, but that doesn't make it less annoying. So proofread, and stop doing it.

    Affect/effect. Subtler, but still crucial. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, "affect" is the verb and "effect" is the noun. You "affect" things; you "have an effect on" things. You can also "effect" changes, and in that case the verb doesn't mean "have an effect," but rather "put into effect." With me so far? "The report didn't affect our projections, at least not in its effect on consumers, but it did give us the chance to effect a few changes in the retail workplace." (Yeah, yeah, "affect" can work as a noun, too, but unless you work in the mental-health field, it's not relevant here.) Brass tacks: "affect" is the verb, "effect" is the noun. When in doubt, grab a Webster's and make sure you've got the right one.

    Less/fewer. Use "less" for quantity and "fewer" for number. Huh? Okay. You go shopping. You need apples. You don't see as many apples as you saw the last time you went to the store, so you see what? Fewer apples. That's right. But maybe the store reduced its produce selection, so there's not as much fruit overall. So there's what? Less fruit. Good. "Many/much" is analogous, and you can use it as a cheat to figure out which one is correct; if it's something you can enumerate, you'd use "many," and if you use "many," "fewer" is correct. If it's something you quantify, you'd use "much," and when you use "much," "less" is correct. Whew -- that's complicated. Here's a simpler example: less noise, fewer decibels. Got it? En masse, it's "less." Individual units, "fewer."

    The Apostrophe That Came In From The Cold. Ask yourselves: why is the apostrophe there? "Uh, because it's a plural?" Survey says: EHHHHHHH. "Green bean's"? No. "Welcome shopper's"? Absolutely not! Wrong, wrong, wrong. Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant. An apostrophe is used to shorten ("cannot" becomes "can't") or to employ the possessive ("Sarah's"). It is NOT USED in the plural. EVER. It is used at the FRONT of a decade abbreviation ("'80s"), NOT in the middle ("80's"), because you don't mean that something belongs to the number 80. See? Because "eighties" is a plural. It's NOT a possessive. So don't USE the apostrophe, because you don't NEED it. And when you use an apostrophe to denote a possessive with a name or place that ends in "S," you need to add another "S," unless it's a plural ("the Joneses' house"). "The princess's car." "Cletus's truck." The only names that don't take another "S" at the end: Jesus and Moses. Don't question it. Just learn it. Once more, with feeling: PLURALS do NOT take an APOSTROPHE. Under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. At ALL. No, they sure don't. No, they still don't. No. NO!

    Lie/lay. Oh, brother. Even the shittiest English teacher should have drilled you on the difference between lying down and laying something down, but just in case, school's in, and today's lesson is about transitive and intransitive verbs. A transitive verb requires an object or an action; you use a transitive verb to do or place or kick or haul or affect (not "effect," mind) someone or something. Lay is transitive. It is something you do to something else. You cannot just, you know, "lay around." An intransitive verb does not require an object; it's something that the actor can do all on his/her/its own -- think, lie, wonder, run, stuff like that. "Lie" is intransitive; it's something you just do. So can you lay on your bed? No, you can't. You can lie on your bed, and you can lay a book down on your bed. That's all there is to it. You lie; you lay things. (You all can figure out the conjugation of "to get laid" on your own time.)

    "Myself" and "me"? Not synonymous. "Myself" is a qualifier used for emphasis, or to mean "I alone" in the objective case. It does not replace the objective pronoun, which is "me." "Just submit the memo to him and myself." No, no, NO. It's not just incorrect -- it betrays an ignorance of correct usage. It's one of those errors people make (similar to using "utilize" instead of "use" or "pursuant to" instead of "as we discussed," although these aren't wrong, just pretentious) because they think it makes them sound smarter. Guess what? It doesn't work, because in this instance, it's incorrect. It works here: "I myself would prefer not to drive." Or here: "I don't want to go by myself." Do not substitute it for "me" in prepositional phrases. It's pompous, and it's wrong.

    "Judgment." One "e."

    "Accommodate." Two "c"s, two "m"s.

    Yeah, you. Write those down.

    Which/who/that. Oh, god. I hate which/who/that because it's so difficult to explain clearly, but let's give it a go. To quote MC Hammer, "Ring the bell -- school's back in." It's time to learn about restrictive and nonrestrictive clauses. A restrictive clause gives necessary information about the noun it modifies, and is not set off by a comma, like so: "The essay that went up on May 7 stinks." A nonrestrictive clause gives supplemental information about the noun, and the sentence doesn't need it to make sense. It's set off by commas, like so: "The essay, which went up on May 7, stinks." Restrictive clauses use "that." Nonrestrictive clauses use "which." In either case, if "that" or "which" modifies a person, it uses "who." Use the comma as your guide. Well, provided you've used the comma correctly, but don't get me started on that.

    Lose/loose. These words do not mean the same thing. Please proofread. Please. "Lose" means misplace. "Loose" means not tight. Not the same thing. They aren't even homophones. Proofread. Proofread again. Get your roommate to proofread. Thank you.

    "Irregardless" is not a word. You mean "irrespective." Yes, you do. No, trust me -- that's what you mean. Okay, perhaps you mean "regardless." But you don't mean "irregardless," because "irregardless" isn't a word.

    Breath/breathe. You "breathe." Or, you "take a breath." Verb gets the "e," noun doesn't. Period.

    "Appraise" and "apprise" don't mean the same thing.

    Neither do "stationary" and "stationery."

    Very unique. "Unique" suggests that nothing else like it exists. So either it's unique, or it isn't. Good luck with that "VERY UNIQUE FLASH WEBSITE DESIGN" business, o spammers of the world, but it's like "pregnant" -- either the condition exists, or it doesn't. It's not subject to an adverb.

    Web site. Not "sight." Not "cite." SITE.

    It's called a shift key. You get two of them with your keyboard -- for free! Expend the extra four seconds and capitalize "I" and the first words in sentences. No, no, see, I'm not asking. I'M TELLING YOU.

    And while I'm on the subject of free stuff: See "unique." It's free or it isn't. It costs nothing or it doesn't. It's not "absolutely free." It's not "free of charge." It's just free. Free means "absolutely no charge," don't you know. Oh, you didn't know? Well, now you know.

    Of/have. I know the contraction of "would have" sounds like "would of." But it's spelled "would've," because it's the contraction of "would have." Stop. Look at it. "Would of"? Wrong. "Could of"? Also wrong. "Should of"? Yeah, now you've got it.

    Advise/advice. "Advise" is the verb. "Advice" is the noun. I get this one a lot because I have an advice column. Where I advise people. When they ask for advice. Okay? Okay. No, it's not a British-ism. You advise people who ask for advice.

    Intents and purposes. Yeah, I thought it sounded like "intensive purposes" too, for years. It isn't. "For all intents and purposes." Think it over -- "intensive purposes" doesn't make sense, does it? No, not really.

    Preventive. Not "preventative." My MS spell-check doesn't flag it, but it's still wrong.

    Orientated. Ditto. It's "oriented." Oh, but it's a sentence regarding an orientation? Then say "went through orientation." "Orientated" is absurd.

    Conscious/conscience/conscientious. "Conscience" gives you a pang when you do something bad; "conscientious" is the adjective form of "conscience." It's tough to spell -- it took me two attempts just now -- but you should know what it means. "Conscious" (and "consciousness") -- horse of a totally different color. And breed. In fact, it's a cow. It means you're awake, or alive, or not in a coma. Another one where you'll just have to put the brakes on and look at it closely to make sure you've got the right one.

    A lot. Not "alot." Unless it's Sir Mixalot. And I think even he hyphenates the damn thing. It is, always has been, and ever shall be two separate words.

    All right/altogether. I don't know why "altogether" is fine and "alright" is not, but I do know that I missed "all right" in a fourth-grade spelling bee and I've never forgotten it. Two words again. All. Right. All right? And it's not "alrighty," either. It's "all righty."

    Definitely. It is definitely not spelled with an "a," anywhere, at any time, under any circumstances. I cannot STAND seeing "definately." CANNOT STAND IT. Your spell-check should catch that, and if it doesn't, find it yourself.

    Separate. The "e"s go at the ends, the "a"s go in the middle. It's not "seperate." Please learn to spell "separate" correctly. Please. Or -- wait for it -- run a spell-check.

    To/too. "Too" means also, or "very much so." "To" doesn't. I know it's tough to catch, such teeny little words that look so much alike, and spell-check is no help. Try. No, try harder than that. Harder. There you go.

    Truly. No "e." None. Not a one. Not "truely." Never ever.
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    haha, how long did it take you to come up with all this?

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    repost!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theskinnyone
    repost!

    I have to post it once every 6 months or so. Thankfully, I have it all typed and saved in a Word .doc on my computer. cut/paste FTW!
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    lol he posted this shit word for word like his other thread. It's awesome man.
    You shoulda come to the meet at lilburn. Their was some tight ass porsche theyre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    I have to post it once every 6 months or so. Thankfully, I have it all typed and saved in a Word .doc on my computer. cut/paste FTW!
    LOL!

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    LOL, +1

    also

    brake/break

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    Repost!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chink5
    haha, how long did it take you to come up with all this?
    Too long. I really need to sit down and update it...
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    ruiner, plz disregard my sig LOL

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    make this a sticky?

    oh, and ruiner for teacher of the year

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastboyamin
    LOL, +1

    also

    brake/break
    There are so many homophones in the English language. I tried to pick out the most common mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    Too long. I really need to sit down and update it...

    at least you're stayin' on top of your shit.

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    damn, i type crappy on here so oh well...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chink5

    at least you're stayin' on top of your shit.
    Nice grammar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    Nice grammar!
    what can i say? i'm taking an english class in college right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chink5
    what can i say? i'm taking an english class in college right now.
    Good man!
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    Reading is a sin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wurm
    Reading is a sin

    i'm so going to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    "Judgment." One "e."
    not always true...
    some JDM manuals (by literate ppl) spell it judgement... as well as indian/paki shit... and European shit. The US just gets "Ignant" w/ that shit.
    I guess it goes back to early english or maybe brittish english?
    But i've seen people spell it both ways. One of my english teachers took judgement as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaИdomGuy
    not always true...
    some JDM manuals (by literate ppl) spell it judgement... as well as indian/paki shit... and European shit. The US just gets "Ignant" w/ that shit.
    I guess it goes back to early english or maybe brittish english?
    But i've seen people spell it both ways. One of my english teachers took judgement as well.
    Since the law books spell it "judgment" and being that my father is an ex-judge and is currently a lawyer, I still have to go with the legal spelling.
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    + 1 for it to be made a sticky!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    Since the law books spell it "judgment" and being that my father is an ex-judge and is currently a lawyer, I still have to go with the legal spelling.
    true... but Judgment, just doesn't seem to flow right... Dont know it may just be me heh.
    Lol speaking of I just got a 95 on my LA ESSAY FINAL !!

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    You didnt do the for sale/sell thing like last time, that one was a goodie.

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    We might be lucky enough for one or 2 dumbasses to read that. Every little thing can help!

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    lol the language shit doesn't really get to me...you gotta realize alot of the mofos on IA aren't culturated completely yet, ya know. I have a close friend who is somewhat "ESOL". Sure he tries and what not, but he's not there yet, nor will he be any time soon. Sure I poke fun at him and what not, but I don't really get pissed or anything. Not everyone masters English in a year. He's still an extremely cool cat. He's not stupid, nor is he uneducated, he's just trying to get his point across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fawk_you
    We might be lucky enough for one or 2 dumbasses to read that. Every little thing can help!
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    thanks for the post.


    that shit gets on my nerves when people use bad grammar.

    it also annoys me at work too, a simple proofreading really does make a difference. a few weeks ago one of my managers forgot to proofread a memo.She procedes to run about 200 copies, asks me to pass them out, then come to find out it says "we are looking for 10 people to shit their schedules." oops...forgot the "f" lol

    I am in customer service so i talk to people all day and it cracks me up when people are trying to argue with me and dont do their homework and sometimes i have to put the phone on mute and laugh because of their misuse of words.

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    ha... props to ya

    tire tread being spelled as thread kills me... and ppl putting an S at the end of everything... "i got jdm headers for sale" <--- unless you got 2 or more it's A HEADER mofo! Eckerds.... Krogers........... AHHH bad grammar usage and retardation runs rampant around here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brittoknee
    Eckerd.... Kroger........... AHHH bad grammar usage and retardation runs rampant around here!
    lol

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    You forgot the notorious sale/sell

    IE: My car for sell.

    I see that shit all over these boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfman
    You forgot the notorious sale/sell

    IE: My car for sell.

    I see that shit all over these boards.

    that one is the supreme no no.... you shouldn't have a drivers license if you can't read or spell simple things

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    Quote Originally Posted by brittoknee
    ha... props to ya

    tire tread being spelled as thread kills me... and ppl putting an S at the end of everything... "i got jdm headers for sale" <--- unless you got 2 or more it's A HEADER mofo! Eckerds.... Krogers........... AHHH bad grammar usage and retardation runs rampant around here!

    oh yeah, dont forget "tints" lol

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    Bump......should be a sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
    There are so many homophones in the English language. I tried to pick out the most common mistakes.
    being how this is a CAR forum, those two should be on the list, no?

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    Oh, this thread gets much love. Free bump for today.

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    Now this is what i call a thread.
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