true but I'm not going to be doing much if anything...the only things on my list is sound system, tint, and maybe chip if I feel like it. I mean this isnt going to be a car that I will be going all out on...if I wanted that i'd stay with the RSX, but I just need me a lower priced, awd vehicle for now. AWD because it makes me feel a little bit more at ease with driving...plus you know how roads get slippery as hell when Icy. All im saying is yea those are still options, but I have to look at it price, payment, and insurance wise. Thanks for the feedback though keep em commin.