Car specific forums usually seem to be so fargone from reality that its really sad. I know over on supraforums thats the only forum I've been a member of where every car wash warrants a bout 3 threads and about 43 pics from 97 different angles. Don't get me wrong, theres some cool people over there but they're pretty much not in touch with reality anymore. "Hey look, I windexed my rearview mirror *56K GO AWAY* (49 hi-res pictures of mirror)"