The car show circuit is dying down, that's for sure. I don't know about other arenas, but the car show "scene" is dying. Back in the day, you could go to any local car show, even shows in high school parking lots, and the big dogs were there. Now some of the biggest clubs can't have a car show with even 20% of the cars actually being worthy of showing to someone. Like Jimmy said, "Fantasy Nights". I remember starting out and going to the East Coast Honda shows, The Children of the Gathering. You'd have a pretty decent show, much bigger than local shows today on the weekends before and after NOPI. Now pretty much the only real shows are HIN and NOPI, and HIN isn't even coming to Atlanta anymore. What does that tell you?