Advice seriously appreciated

[dvpjdm]

Had a boosted integra project for sale, associate of a family member was interested, $8000 was the agreed upon deal. He gives me 1900 as basically a deposit on the terms of the rest of the money hitting my hands at the end of the week, he disappears for almost 2 months, forced to take an even steeper loss and sell the car. Well 3 months down the road he pops back up with a story of being robbed for all the money he has, tells my family member that he's making a trip to Arizona to recoup money, gone for another month, just 2 weeks ago shows up again and is demanding I pay him 2400 for convenience or its my ass, threatens my home, my only means of transportation which is my motorcycle that he believes he should take and sell to get what he believes he's owed. Am I just not seeing the full picture or am I being extorted by a gang member covered from head to toe in tattoos? I even went as far as to tell him that I would do my best to help him out with anything he needed there was just no way I can pay him, give him my RC51 or even feel justified giving him 1 dollar after the threats that were thrown in my direction. I have no idea how to handle this, I work full time, and any extra money would go to so many other things I honestly need. This dude is acting like a savage, he believes he's above the law so when we do see each other it's not gonna be a civilized talk like normal human beings, or even a good old fashioned fist fight, his intentions are to take my life over 2000 dollars that I quite honestly don't feel that I anywhere near owe this guy and as far as money honestly goes if anyone owes anyone he owes me for taking the car off the market to be basically the victim of extortion. Any advice good or bad, legal preferably because I am a law abiding citizen of this country (within reason) but I can only be pushed so far before my girl and my family's life is in danger along with my own. Please respond ASAP who knows what's gonna happen next.

[David88vert]

Report him to the police for terrorist threats. Get it on record now that he is threatening you.

[Sinfix_15]

I have been in a situation like this before.

Advice #1, dont make financial arrangements with people "covered head to tow in tattoos who act like savages". They either have the money or they dont and if they dont, come back when you do.

He put money in your hand. If he wanted an option of a refund or a particular time limit to pay you, he should have requested something in writing. I assume no refund was ever discussed, he isnt entitled to one. You dont owe him anything. I would tell him to open a claim if he feels he is entitled to financial compensation.

Him threatening you is a completely different issue that is completely separate from the financial exchange. Even if you broke into his house and stole $2000 off his dresser, that wouldnt make it legal for him to go vigilante and come to your house and attack you or damage your property. If he feels he has been robbed or cheated in any way, encourage him to call the police and let them sort it out. They will inform him to open a claim.

I would cease from contact with him and report all threats to the police. If he opens a claim, appear, tell your side of the story as well as the threats and actions that he took.

Lastly, if someone is an immediate threat to you or your family, protect yourself and your family. I would invest in a camera, seeing as how property damage is the most likely result of his retaliation.

[dvpjdm]

His retaliation from what I've gathered through messages was that he had no intentions on working this out, or fighting. Right out the gate threatening to end me. Thank you for the advice, as far as a written document explaining refund goes I offered to make a receipt, contract whatever you wanna call it and he didn't want to do that. I had no problem with a refund the first month into it. I shit you not literally took his money and hid it from myself to insure something like this wouldn't come about. 2 months then onto 3 I had no choice, legal fees for traffic violations, rent, and just dead honest having no money to my name I finally used his money for bills that were way over due, then sold the car that I had already recently experienced the worse possible outcome from if anyone remembers the aftermath of how my car looked when it was returned to me unfinished by a shop I paid for a full rebuild from, but thats neither here nor there, my worries are my girlfriend's and my personal health.

[00CelicaGT]

Take above advice, also go buy a gun if you feel your life may be in danger. Most times guys like this are cowards and are flexing muscle and blowing hot air hoping scare you enough to get you to give him the money property. Arm yourself and be prepared to protect your family and yourself. It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need one and not have it...

Abide by all laws and dnt put yourself in a position to end up in jail

[Bacon]

If you need one and dont have it, you may never need it again.

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[dvpjdm]

Unfortunately im not 21 until October so any firearm advice that would still qualify as legal? I don't know the logistics on what im allowed to own and not. I've been to multiple shooting ranges, have proper training with a firearm, handgun,rifles, and a few shotguns out at the family's property in the country, but even with all that I have no intentions on breaking the law, so if there's any way owning one is still possible please let me know, because quite honestly this isn't gonna hold off until October. If a family member can purchase one and it still be legal for me to use that wouldn't be an issue, just need details on how to go about it in the best way possible.

[dvpjdm]

If you need one and dont have it, you may never need it again.

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damn what sucks is thats very true. No sugar coating it either.

[D3UC3S]

Just call the cops and save all messages/texts for proof of terroristic threats. After he is arrested, obtain a temporary protection order. If he comes around after that, one call and be is back in jail. He will get tired of paying for bail.

And get a gun....even if its a .22 and keep it in the house. If he breaks in, light his ass up.

[Bacon]

Unfortunately im not 21 until October so any firearm advice that would still qualify as legal? I don't know the logistics on what im allowed to own and not. I've been to multiple shooting ranges, have proper training with a firearm, handgun,rifles, and a few shotguns out at the family's property in the country, but even with all that I have no intentions on breaking the law, so if there's any way owning one is still possible please let me know, because quite honestly this isn't gonna hold off until October. If a family member can purchase one and it still be legal for me to use that wouldn't be an issue, just need details on how to go about it in the best way possible.

Buy a shotgun for home defense. You can pick up a Mossberg 500 for a decent price. If someone in the home is over 21 then you are fine if you have to use it for protective reasons. You just cant carry it everywhere.

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[-EnVus-]

If you feel that you are truly in danger then hire a lawyer and ask to speak with the district attorney. They can either make sure this guy never comes near you or can help you relocate. You may also be surprised if this guy has a rap sheet he will be on probation or gang related watch list. A lot of the times they seem harder then they appear and have never even had a ticket less alone jail time. Also a mentioned you can still legally own a rifle or shot gun just can't a pistol till 21.
Id have one in every room of the house and make sure the wife knows how to use them also. A cheap way to have watch outside of your house or near your Bike is to invest in a cheap trail cam.

[David88vert]

Oh yeah, another thing. Since this guy is related to you in some way, call his mom and anyone else that he is close to and let them know what he is doing. If they aren't complete losers, they can go yell at him as well.

[Vteckidd]

the money is irrelevant. YOu can say he paid you $1900 for holding a car for 1 month, and he disappeared. That is a small claims case, not a police case.

If he is threatening you, contact the police and get a police report. SAVE ALL TEXT MESSAGES, EMAILS, FACEBOOKS POSTS, etc.

[dvpjdm]

Buy a shotgun for home defense. You can pick up a Mossberg 500 for a decent price. If someone in the home is over 21 then you are fine if you have to use it for protective reasons. You just cant carry it everywhere.

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No shotgun on the bike? So I drilled these holes for the rack for no reason? im gonna do it.

[dvpjdm]

Oh yeah, another thing. Since this guy is related to you in some way, call his mom and anyone else that he is close to and let them know what he is doing. If they aren't complete losers, they can go yell at him as well.

I actually met him through and associate of my uncle. He's hispanic late 20s early 30s

[David88vert]

I actually met him through and associate of my uncle. He's hispanic late 20s early 30s

Report him to the police immediately then - do not hesitate, do not waste time. Get it on a police report today. Get a shotgun for home defense - that is legal over 18 years old. Do not answer the door if he comes and knocks on it. Do not talk to him. Get a voice recorder or install on your phone and record anything he says. Never answer him - do not speak. Report any attempts by him to confront you to the police immediately - call 911.

[D3UC3S]

Exactly David!

Don't be afraid to do the right thing the RIGHT way! Doesn't make you a pussy or a bitch, just makes you smarter than the scum that walks the earth.

[Bacon]

Find a friend you trust or something and send any recordings you have to someone as backup files in case something happens to the originals. I do that when I need to. I have one person I send stuff to that saves them in case I need them.

[Doppelgänger]

Sounds like a winner.....and almost sounds like he had this all planned out, I wouldn't be surprised. Like others have said, contact your local or county police immediately. He paid you some money, made a verbal contract with you (useless if it goes to court) and disappeared.

I'll never get why anyone would sell a car and only take a partial payment....it's either all or nothing, which is the only way to avoid any "situations" in the future.


Post his name.

[Bacon]

If you can prove that the verbal agreement existed then the verbal agreement will hold up in court. If you by chance had a witness to the agreement, it will stand. If it does go to court and you bring up the verbal agreement with proof, chances are he will buckle and they will catch it which in turn will make you not responsible for the money that was already paid.

Document EVERYTHING and get a report done asap. Worse comes to worse, everything is on file and ready to go. May end up never having anything come of it but better to play it safe.

[ISAtlanta300]

Devil's Advocate here.

Give him back his $1900. In a small claims you would have lost. You already sold the car correct? and you stated (even on this forum), that you received his $1900 correct? Since you no longer have the car to sell him and he can no longer buy that car (since you sold it), that makes your initial agreement void. There was no mention of you telling him "if you don't give me the rest of the money in xxx months, I am keeping your money, no refund" or anything of that sort. Times are tough. People are scraping money and losing jobs left and right. Shit happens. Just like you. You had shit happen and needed money for bills. You never know a person's real situation.

Yea it sucks, but you cannot just take his money and use it. You should have said "no thank you, I need the full amount" and sell it to someone else. But since you took his initial deposit, you are responsible for that money until he pays you the rest or give it back and sell the car to someone else (which you did, sans the giving back his money).

No wonder dude is pissed.

HOWEVER, that still doesn't give him any reason to threaten you in any way or form. He is an asshat for doing that. He should have just sued you for his $1900 if he felt so inclined. He pretty much fucked himself up in that way.

I would give him his $1900 then send his ass to jail.


Moral of the story and best advice: NEVER sell a car without a receipt/bill of sale/ contract of any kind and always make sure you get the full amount. I don't believe in "Ill pay you the rest later" Sorry. Come back later then and if the car is still here you can have it. In the mean time Imma sell it to the first person that comes with 8g's cash in hand. At least you were smart enough to not give him the keys.

And yea, get strapped. He seems to be a hothead and bound to do stupid shit.

[Sinfix_15]

Devil's Advocate here.

Give him back his $1900. In a small claims you would have lost. You already sold the car correct? and you stated (even on this forum), that you received his $1900 correct? Since you no longer have the car to sell him and he can no longer buy that car (since you sold it), that makes your initial agreement void. There was no mention of you telling him "if you don't give me the rest of the money in xxx months, I am keeping your money, no refund" or anything of that sort. Times are tough. People are scraping money and losing jobs left and right. Shit happens. Just like you. You had shit happen and needed money for bills. You never know a person's real situation.

Yea it sucks, but you cannot just take his money and use it. You should have said "no thank you, I need the full amount" and sell it to someone else. But since you took his initial deposit, you are responsible for that money until he pays you the rest or give it back and sell the car to someone else (which you did, sans the giving back his money).

No wonder dude is pissed.

HOWEVER, that still doesn't give him any reason to threaten you in any way or form. He is an asshat for doing that. He should have just sued you for his $1900 if he felt so inclined. He pretty much fucked himself up in that way.

I would give him his $1900 then send his ass to jail.


Moral of the story and best advice: NEVER sell a car without a receipt/bill of sale/ contract of any kind and always make sure you get the full amount. I don't believe in "Ill pay you the rest later" Sorry. Come back later then and if the car is still here you can have it. In the mean time Imma sell it to the first person that comes with 8g's cash in hand. At least you were smart enough to not give him the keys.

And yea, get strapped. He seems to be a hothead and bound to do stupid shit.

Not accurate. You are not entitled to refund deposits unless specifically stated.

[ISAtlanta300]

Not accurate. You are not entitled to refund deposits unless specifically stated.

Still a dick move. But also, like I stated, he is also a dick for threatening him so just keep the money for court cost when you take him to jail....

[Sinfix_15]

Still a dick move. But also, like I stated, he is also a dick for threatening him so just keep the money for court cost when you take him to jail....

Who gives a shit about being a dick? This is the world we live in. Being friendly is completely optional.