so I had chick-fil-a this morning

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Seriously, are you trying to say that a person has no choice on what he does/does not do? If you really believe that, then there is no help available for you. I choose my actions, and I am responsible for them. You appear to have no concept of personal responsibility. Make a choice, be responsible, and live with the consequences. The consequence for being gay is that you cannot legally marry your homosexual partner. That's a fact. It's also fact that gays can marry just like anyone else - to the opposite sex. It's also fact that they have the same rights to petition to have the law changed through the same process that everyone else has to go through (something you fail repeatedly to address, as you know it is true).
This is not oppression like slavery or racial discrimination, and is it unfair to our ancestors and heritage to treat it as being on the same level. Being black is not an action, and there is nothing that any of them could do about it.

Read through court rulings from the formation of the country up through now, and find where the federal judical branch overruled laws concerning state laws on gay marriage.
I'll give you a start:
Defining Marriage: Defense of Marriage Acts and Same-Sex Marriage Laws
Federal Appeals Court Invalidates California Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

Note that 6 states have gay marriage - these states went through the legislative process. This is what I have stated multiple times that the gay community needs to do to have legal gay marriage. What part of that do you not understand?

i agree with this 100%, but you word it better than i do.

[Sinfix_15]

Funny, black civil rights leaders would disagree with you. Actually, not that funny:

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." -Coretta Scott King

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" -Martin Luther King Jr.

Using black civil rights leaders as a reference is about as viable as using the bible. I'm an atheist, i trust what i read in the bible more than i trust the NAACP.

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Using black civil rights leaders as a reference is about as viable as using the bible. I'm an atheist, i trust what i read in the bible more than i trust the NAACP.

That's fine. To be honest, I don't expect too many people to grasp the concept of social injustice anyway. It's rather difficult unless you've personally experienced it.

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That's fine. To be honest, I don't expect too many people to grasp the concept of social injustice anyway. It's rather difficult unless you've personally experienced it.

The root of this comment has an underlying tone of racism. I cant understand your point of view without being black? I'm a white guy that lives in a city that is 72% black. I played basketball in HS. When i go to the local rec center or park, i'm often the only white guy. When a white kid walks on to an inner city basketball court with 20-30 black guys there, do you think they welcome him with open arms? If you do, you're a fool. But, i wouldnt expect you to grasp that concept if you havnt experienced it. You deal with the bias, racism, prejudice or whatever you want to call it and you work thru it. They make fun of you, so what. They try to shove you around, so what. You keep coming back. Next thing you know, you're standing on a court together covered in each other's sweat and you look the other person in the eyes and realize you're not all that different. You can either be a victim or stereotypes or you can overcome them. You are the person who decides how powerful racism is. When i'm faced with these situations, i dont come back the next day with protest signs blaming everything on me being white and have Jesse Jackson give a speech about trying to shut down inner city parks.

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I can't believe we're in 2012 and people actually try and twist reality to rationalize bigotry. Lol. Sad stuff.

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I can't believe we're in 2012 and people actually try and twist reality to rationalize bigotry. Lol. Sad stuff.

I cant believe it's 2012 and black people still think "the black experience" is reality and try to rationalize that somehow the world is any different for them than it is for me.

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The root of this comment has an underlying tone of racism. I cant understand your point of view without being black?

For whatever reason, you and David fail to understand the concept of social injustice because you believe it's not happening. You think that the right for a homosexual to marry someone of the opposite sex is an equal right, because you believe he should suffer the consequences because it was "his choice" to be a homosexual. Because you believe its some kind of christian tradition that shouldn't be tarnished. Lol. Even if science proved it was a choice, so what? Let me take you back 60 years and explain what anti-miscegenation is. This is a biblically-derived belief that god separated the people of the earth and put them all on their own continents for a reason and we shouldn't mix races. Black people had every right to get married to someone in their own race. White people had every right to get married to someone in their own race, both enjoyed all the benefits of being married Are you black and want to "choose" to be with a white person? You have to suffer the consequences of not being able to share the benefits of getting married. Anti-miscegenation was a biblically rooted concept, just like this "Neo-miscegenation", prevalent in the bible belt (surprise, surprise) for as long as America had been around. Separate but equal is still alive and well, some people are just clever enough to sugar coat it and deliver it to the masses to save their own skin....

[Catnip]

For whatever reason, you and David fail to understand the concept of social injustice because you believe it's not happening.

I feel like his previous post was supporting that it does happen, but it's dependent on the "victim" to, for lack of better words, not be a pussy.

[dc5-rsx]

I cant believe it's 2012 and black people still think "the black experience" is reality and try to rationalize that somehow the world is any different for them than it is for me.

There you go placing the race card. Be proud that you live in white America.

Sent From My Omega Red Galaxy S2

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There you go placing the race card. Be proud that you live in white America.

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Thats just social conditioning, Cant really fault him for that. Anytime you mention "civil rights" in the context of the early 20th century, people automatically think you're talking about black Americans and violent racial oppression. Like there wasnt anything else that was going on during that time. LOL

[Sinfix_15]

Thats just social conditioning, Cant really fault him for that. Anytime you mention "civil rights" in the context of the early 20th century, people automatically think you're talking about black Americans and violent racial oppression. Like there wasnt anything else that was going on during that time. LOL

We were on the same page.

I feel like his previous post was supporting that it does happen, but it's dependent on the "victim" to, for lack of better words, not be a pussy.

Pretty much. You hear about racism against blacks more because you hear about racism against blacks more. It's that simple.

For whatever reason, you and David fail to understand the concept of social injustice because you believe it's not happening. You think that the right for a homosexual to marry someone of the opposite sex is an equal right, because you believe he should suffer the consequences because it was "his choice" to be a homosexual. Because you believe its some kind of christian tradition that shouldn't be tarnished. Lol. Even if science proved it was a choice, so what? Let me take you back 60 years and explain what anti-miscegenation is. This is a biblically-derived belief that god separated the people of the earth and put them all on their own continents for a reason and we shouldn't mix races. Black people had every right to get married to someone in their own race. White people had every right to get married to someone in their own race, both enjoyed all the benefits of being married Are you black and want to "choose" to be with a white person? You have to suffer the consequences of not being able to share the benefits of getting married. Anti-miscegenation was a biblically rooted concept, just like this "Neo-miscegenation", prevalent in the bible belt (surprise, surprise) for as long as America had been around. Separate but equal is still alive and well, some people are just clever enough to sugar coat it and deliver it to the masses to save their own skin....

That's a fair argument. I'll have to let that one soak for a few and think of an answer.

[Sinfix_15]

There you go placing the race card. Be proud that you live in white America.

Sent From My Omega Red Galaxy S2

America is predominantly white because white people settled here. Black people "migrated" here. No other reason. Typical attitude though, throwing blame in every direction. It's you against the world, i know.... i read the memo. Everybody tryin to hold the black man down, that's why "white america" elected an african american president.

I'll tell you like i said to blank a few posts up. You decide how powerful racism is. Black people are the reason racism is alive in today's world. When you stop "Being a pussy"-Cat H. Nip (2012), things will improve. Might not happen over night like you want it, but it will happen.

I would be proud of living in white america, but being proud of being white would make me a racist. So i'll continue being apologetic to the poor black man to keep the peace.

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I feel like his previous post was supporting that it does happen, but it's dependent on the "victim" to, for lack of better words, not be a pussy.

And thats fine. But why put it all on the victim? If you call me a nigger or a fag, and you get your ass beat, doesnt mean you're no longer a bigot. We need to be more proactive, and not reactive in educating people on what bigotry is. My post was more directed towards David88, who cant make that connection, most likely because this is what he has grown up believing. He believes in separate but equal, so I drew him a parallel. In the 50's, this would be akin to being against interracial marriage, even earlier--interfaith or intertribal marriage.

[Sinfix_15]

And thats fine. But why put it all on the victim? If you call me a nigger or a fag, and you get your ass beat, doesnt mean you're no longer a bigot. We need to be more proactive, and not reactive in educating people on what bigotry is. My post was more directed towards David88, who cant make that connection, most likely because this is what he has grown up believing. He believes in separate but equal, so I drew him a parallel. In the 50's, this would be akin to being against interracial marriage, even earlier--interfaith or intertribal marriage.

Do we need to be equally as proactive in the black community about racism towards white people? Do we need to stop putting a mic in front of Jessie Jackson and the NAACP? do we need to start viewing the black panthers the same as the KKK? do we need to view redneck, honkey, and cracker the same as we do the word nigger?

If so, sign me up. I'm on your side. Lets get rid of all racism.

[Catnip]

And thats fine. But why put it all on the victim? If you call me a nigger or a fag, and you get your ass beat, doesnt mean you're no longer a bigot. We need to be more proactive, and not reactive in educating people on what bigotry is. My post was more directed towards David88, who cant make that connection, most likely because this is what he has grown up believing. He believes in separate but equal, so I drew him a parallel. In the 50's, this would be akin to being against interracial marriage, even earlier--interfaith or intertribal marriage.

Why put it all on the victim? No one said to do that, but everyone knows if you run from a dog it'll chase you.


The dog isn't clear of blame because a dog chases, but that pussy running should stand his ground or not get butt hurt over it.


I'm not disagreeing with educating, but we've been educating for years. There's nothing wrong with instilling a sense of thick skin. My parents taught me the world is full of assholes and getting my feelings hurt gets me no where.


I can laugh it off when a piece of trash black person calls me a honkey or cracker in a derogatory manner, because I have no hatred towards blacks so their ignorance towards me is funny... oh poor me, I'm so misunderstood.

[dc5-rsx]

America is predominantly white because white people settled here. Black people "migrated" here. No other reason. Typical attitude though, throwing blame in every direction. It's you against the world, i know.... i read the memo. Everybody tryin to hold the black man down, that's why "white america" elected an african american president.

I'll tell you like i said to blank a few posts up. You decide how powerful racism is. Black people are the reason racism is alive in today's world. When you stop "Being a pussy"-Cat H. Nip (2012), things will improve. Might not happen over night like you want it, but it will happen.

I would be proud of living in white america, but being proud of being white would make me a racist. So i'll continue being apologetic to the poor black man to keep the peace.

When u say migrate. Do mean forced here by the white man and enslaved? Black ppl didn't migrate here. Native Americans may have. Then their land was stolen by the white man.

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[Sinfix_15]

When u say migrate. Do mean forced here by the white man and enslaved? Black ppl didn't migrate here. Native Americans may have. Then their land was stolen by the white man.

Sent From My Omega Red Galaxy S2

Na, not exactly what i meant...... i was more leaning towards, sold to us like dogs by their own people who already enslaved each other over in "black africa". A few years go by and over here in "white america" the white devil up and decides that letting those people who were sold to them free is a big enough deal worth our own country going to war with each other. In said war, "good" prevails and those black people are set free. Few more years go by and "good" continues to prevail as black people began to join in the fight for civil rights.

White people didnt steal land from the indians. We're all here. We have to settle somewhere. However you think we landed on this planet, whether you think we were shot out of Jesus' ass like lawn darts or that we evolved here, we're here and dont have much of a choice about it, so we settled in what is now known as the united states. Much like black people did when they were set free. I suppose upon release, you should of all been sent back to africa to be re-enslaved by your own color? but then who would you blame.....

oh yeah.... ps, how's africa doing after all this time? Over here in white america, we're the most powerful nation on the planet and we're led by a black president.

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When u say migrate. Do mean forced here by the white man and enslaved? Black ppl didn't migrate here. Native Americans may have. Then their land was stolen by the white man.

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Slavery should be forgotten.

White people have been slaves too.

[Genji-Sama]

Do we need to be equally as proactive in the black community about racism towards white people? Do we need to stop putting a mic in front of Jessie Jackson and the NAACP? do we need to start viewing the black panthers the same as the KKK? do we need to view redneck, honkey, and cracker the same as we do the word nigger?

If so, sign me up. I'm on your side. Lets get rid of all racism.

Yes! Yes, we do. This is one of those rare cases, where if we ignore the problem it will go away. Start with getting rid of "black" history month and integrating that into the regular course curriculum. Next stop being butthurt when someone calls us nigger, wetback, spick or cracker, it's a word that only has as much meaning as we give it. Buuut this is all off-topic, I was particularly enjoying the "gay" debate

[Catnip]

Yes! Yes, we do. This is one of those rare cases, where if we ignore the problem it will go away. Start with getting rid of "black" history month and integrating that into the regular course curriculum. Next stop being butthurt when someone calls us nigger, wetback, spick or cracker, it's a word that only has as much meaning as we give it. Buuut this is all off-topic, I was particularly enjoying the "gay" debate

This.

Smart guy, right here.
Aside from the gay debate. More gays there are, the more people will accept it. Stop making it a big deal and it'll work it's way into "normal."

[BanginJimmy]

Yes! Yes, we do. This is one of those rare cases, where if we ignore the problem it will go away. Start with getting rid of "black" history month and integrating that into the regular course curriculum. Next stop being butthurt when someone calls us nigger, wetback, spick or cracker, it's a word that only has as much meaning as we give it. Buuut this is all off-topic, I was particularly enjoying the "gay" debate

But no one can profit from a non-issue.

This.

Smart guy, right here.
Aside from the gay debate. More gays there are, the more people will accept it. Stop making it a big deal and it'll work it's way into "normal."

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[Genji-Sama]

But no one can profit from a non-issue.

Well maybe the topic could make a slight shift, from the social acceptance of gay to the political implications you know why is this really a prevalent topic when there is a supposed separation of church and state. The bible is really the only defense i've seen from the "anti"-gay side (and i quote "anti" on purpose, so don't flame me)

[geoff]

You know what I find extremely funny and ironic? You talk about separate but equal, racist views, and interracial relationships; but here it is 2012 and if a "white boy" like me dates a "sista" I face prejudice and decriminalizing from blacks. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten evil looks from blacks for "taking all the good sistas". Or the snide remarks I would get from her family because I didn't "understand the black struggle". Not to mention how her father would constantly tell her how she would be better off dating a decent and strong black man. Get real man, racism is alive no matter the color. Get over it already. P.s. separation of races is not biblical, some white supremesist churches came up with the bible banning mixing of races based on color. What the bible banned was mixing of races based on faith. For Jews not to marry those who were pagans or worshiped false idols. "Christians" have often used supposed biblical meanings and man made regulations to force a belief on their own people. This kind of practice is not limited to religion only, see my story above.

As far as the gay issue goes. What about bisexuals? You can't tell me there is no choice involved when it comes to attraction. Why don't I like fat chicks or super skinny ones? Why do I like brunnettes more than blondes or red heads? Why do I not really care for breast size or how come Indian women do absolutely nothing for me? Get real man, attraction is a choice just like "love" is. Have you never had a "friends with benefits" relationship? Have you never been with a woman you felt nothing for yet stayed with cuz the sex was great? Is it not your choice that you are with the woman you are currently with instead of someone else? Or we're you "genetically" programmed to be attracted to only one type of woman or that one woman in particular?

Here is a simple fact for you. Marriage is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. How then can ones civil rights be violated if that said "right" is not guaranteed nor listed as a "civil right" any where?

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As far as the gay issue goes. What about bisexuals? You can't tell me there is no choice involved when it comes to attraction. Why don't I like fat chicks or super skinny ones? Why do I like brunnettes more than blondes or red heads? Why do I not really care for breast size or how come Indian women do absolutely nothing for me? Get real man, attraction is a choice just like "love" is. Have you never had a "friends with benefits" relationship? Have you never been with a woman you felt nothing for yet stayed with cuz the sex was great? Is it not your choice that you are with the woman you are currently with instead of someone else? Or we're you "genetically" programmed to be attracted to only one type of woman or that one woman in particular?

Lolol @ apples and oranges. Later, QD.

[geoff]

Of course, because sexual preference and sexual attraction have nothing to do with eachother...

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^^^ You're trying too hard to make it work in your favor, man. Later, QD.

[geoff]

I'm merely stating the obvious and asking simple questions. I'm not scholar or scientist but surely I can theorize and speculate things of my own life. Can a scientist study my brain and DNA and tell me why I prefer a certain type of woman better than I can? Most guys are attracted to a certain type of woman, even gay men have their own preferences. If one is born gay and has absolutely no choice in the matter of sexual orientation ( which is the same exact thing as sexual attraction) then why do they have a choice in the "type" of guy they like? One would think that if sexual attraction was purely genetic then we would all be "programmed" to find the perfect life mate. Think about it man, it's not a concept that's "far out there". Ask yourself a simple question, why are you attracted to specific types of women? Attraction is a choice, I can speak from experience that on more than one occasion, I have grown to be attracted to a woman whom I at first did not find attractive sexually.

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I'm merely stating the obvious

Of course you are, Geoff. Have a good evening. Later, QD.

[geoff]

Instead of sarcastic remarks, I'd love to know your views on this subject or better yet, for you to answer the simple question I asked...

[Sinfix_15]

You know what I find extremely funny and ironic? You talk about separate but equal, racist views, and interracial relationships; but here it is 2012 and if a "white boy" like me dates a "sista" I face prejudice and decriminalizing from blacks. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten evil looks from blacks for "taking all the good sistas". Or the snide remarks I would get from her family because I didn't "understand the black struggle". Not to mention how her father would constantly tell her how she would be better off dating a decent and strong black man. Get real man, racism is alive no matter the color. Get over it already. P.s. separation of races is not biblical, some white supremesist churches came up with the bible banning mixing of races based on color. What the bible banned was mixing of races based on faith. For Jews not to marry those who were pagans or worshiped false idols. "Christians" have often used supposed biblical meanings and man made regulations to force a belief on their own people. This kind of practice is not limited to religion only, see my story above.

As far as the gay issue goes. What about bisexuals? You can't tell me there is no choice involved when it comes to attraction. Why don't I like fat chicks or super skinny ones? Why do I like brunnettes more than blondes or red heads? Why do I not really care for breast size or how come Indian women do absolutely nothing for me? Get real man, attraction is a choice just like "love" is. Have you never had a "friends with benefits" relationship? Have you never been with a woman you felt nothing for yet stayed with cuz the sex was great? Is it not your choice that you are with the woman you are currently with instead of someone else? Or we're you "genetically" programmed to be attracted to only one type of woman or that one woman in particular?

Here is a simple fact for you. Marriage is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. How then can ones civil rights be violated if that said "right" is not guaranteed nor listed as a "civil right" any where?

100% true, but it would be easier to house train a rhino than convince a black person that black racism is a common thing. I've had soooooooo many black people tell me that black people are not even capable of racism, that anything they do is just in response to white supremacy.

I've said how i feel about this a while back. Black people are the most racist group in america, but so many people are apologetic towards them that they get free run to say whatever they want.

[Sinfix_15]

I'm merely stating the obvious and asking simple questions. I'm not scholar or scientist but surely I can theorize and speculate things of my own life. Can a scientist study my brain and DNA and tell me why I prefer a certain type of woman better than I can? Most guys are attracted to a certain type of woman, even gay men have their own preferences. If one is born gay and has absolutely no choice in the matter of sexual orientation ( which is the same exact thing as sexual attraction) then why do they have a choice in the "type" of guy they like? One would think that if sexual attraction was purely genetic then we would all be "programmed" to find the perfect life mate. Think about it man, it's not a concept that's "far out there". Ask yourself a simple question, why are you attracted to specific types of women? Attraction is a choice, I can speak from experience that on more than one occasion, I have grown to be attracted to a woman whom I at first did not find attractive sexually.

Seems like a decent question to ask IMO. If sexual orientation is decided in your DNA, then id assume that other attractions could be explained in your DNA also. Does my DNA decide why like brunettes over blondes? skinny over fat? ect ect....

I've seen scientific shows on TV explain attraction and most of the laws of attraction were based on the ability to reproduce. Hip to waist ratios that were most suited for child birth ect ect.... most animals in the world are "programmed" to survive and reproduce, would it be safe to say that homosexuality is a "misfire" that needs to be retuned? It's hard for me to believe that there's anything like this in my life that is not a choice.

[Genji-Sama]

I've said how i feel about this a while back. Black people are the most racist group in america, but so many people are apologetic towards them that they get free run to say whatever they want.

Whoa, there cowboy I'm not so sure about all these generalizations i'm readin. I (a black man/ or young man, whatever you prefer) understands that discrimination comes from both sides of the spectrum. Nobody feels any more apologetic towards black people than any other race, we've become a very culturally sensitive nation and as per, it just so happens you're a lot more likely to get sued for calling me nigger than I am you cracker. This has nothing to do with apologetic, empathetic, or teaching rhinos it's all in the name of being politically correct.

You know what I find extremely funny and ironic? You talk about separate but equal, racist views, and interracial relationships; but here it is 2012 and if a "white boy" like me dates a "sista" I face prejudice and decriminalizing from blacks. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten evil looks from blacks for "taking all the good sistas". Or the snide remarks I would get from her family because I didn't "understand the black struggle". Not to mention how her father would constantly tell her how she would be better off dating a decent and strong black man. Get real man, racism is alive no matter the color. Get over it already. P.s. separation of races is not biblical, some white supremesist churches came up with the bible banning mixing of races based on color. What the bible banned was mixing of races based on faith. For Jews not to marry those who were pagans or worshiped false idols. "Christians" have often used supposed biblical meanings and man made regulations to force a belief on their own people. This kind of practice is not limited to religion only, see my story above.

As far as the gay issue goes. What about bisexuals? You can't tell me there is no choice involved when it comes to attraction. Why don't I like fat chicks or super skinny ones? Why do I like brunnettes more than blondes or red heads? Why do I not really care for breast size or how come Indian women do absolutely nothing for me? Get real man, attraction is a choice just like "love" is. Have you never had a "friends with benefits" relationship? Have you never been with a woman you felt nothing for yet stayed with cuz the sex was great? Is it not your choice that you are with the woman you are currently with instead of someone else? Or we're you "genetically" programmed to be attracted to only one type of woman or that one woman in particular?

Here is a simple fact for you. Marriage is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. How then can ones civil rights be violated if that said "right" is not guaranteed nor listed as a "civil right" any where?

I'm not gonna spend too many words on this b/c surely you know this happens to everybody, for a variety of reasons, many more than just ethnicity. If a family doesn't like a quality about you, they don't like it whethter it be that you're white, you have freckles or you wear a size 10 shoe. If you're different expect somebody to say something about it, that's the day and age we live in. The real irony is this is the same type of discrimination ur planning on teaching ur kids, b/c someones sexual orientation is different

I think you're confused as to the extent to which a person is able to make decision. Yes, you may prefer brunettesto blondes, or whites to indians, but the overall choice is that you are attracted to women. Think of the characteristics of those women that attract you as a sub-category to the fact that you like women and those characteristics are all subject to that initial statement. Now lets say you came across a white brunette male, do you think you could get an erection for him? Doubtful, b/c you don't find him attractive, now you could choose to pop the blue pill and bang it out like baby monkeys, but that doesn't mean that you find him anymore attractive. Choosing to have sex with a person, is not the same as choosing to be attracted to person, one is a choice, one is not. If you think that's not so I want you to choose to be attracted to blank cd tell me how that goes

War Eagle (sorry if the colors blind you)

[Sinfix_15]

Whoa, there cowboy I'm not so sure about all these generalizations i'm readin. I (a black man/ or young man, whatever you prefer) understands that discrimination comes from both sides of the spectrum. Nobody feels any more apologetic towards black people than any other race, we've become a very culturally sensitive nation and as per, it just so happens you're a lot more likely to get sued for calling me nigger than I am you cracker. This has nothing to do with apologetic, empathetic, or teaching rhinos it's all in the name of being politically correct.

Cant just write off any comment because it's a "generalization". Nothing i could possibly say would apply to ALL black or white people, so anything i ever said about black or white people could be dismissed as a generalization. Even if i said "black people are black" that wouldnt even apply to everyone. So with that said..... when i make a comment, obviously i'm not speaking to 100% of the population. If there are 10 black people and 6 of them enjoy apples, i feel justified in saying "black people like apples" even if the other 4 hate apples. When i make a comment, i feel it should be obvious to anyone reading it that i'm not speaking for 100% of the black population.

i feel there's a double standard in the way we view things and that black people are WAY more "culturally sensitive" as you say. This exchange for example....

a comment like "whoa there cowboy", i take zero offense to that, i know it had nothing to do with racism and it didnt distract me in any way from the message you were trying to deliver. It seems that black people always have their racism spotlights out and falsely accuse racism constantly. if i said "whoa there homeboy" to a black person, it would be called racism. Anything that can even remotely be twisted into racism is called racism by black people. Everything is "because im black"

[ItODDospeed]

I don't need to be religious to know that another man taking a shot in the mouth is not right or normal. I also don't need to be religious to know the anus/colon is not meant to be plowed. It is not a sexual organ, it is for waste. You claim superior intellect yet you can't see those two simple truths. You and the rest like you come up with lame rebuttles and stupid jokes and call yourselves "intellects". I don't hate gays. Does gay sex disgust me, yes. Unlike you, I don't find a guy rimming a dudes ass attractive or beautiful. I have so much to say, but I can't ask God to forgive me for something I don't feel bad about. I'm stepping out of this thread because you and blank have exhausted me. It's like trying to teach long division to a freakin retard. This is not simply a religious issue for me. I have long determined that this world is too f@cked up to be "saved". Put the gay issue to a vote. The states that vote gay marriage, let em have it.

Pretty sure Jesus say's don't judge...right? What is normal to one doesn't have to be normal to another, and if you think your right, then you're being judgmental. You are not anything thing close to being an intellectual or reasonable if think what you said to be 2 simple truths. Gay sex disgusts you, but your not homophobic...right. You've really put a lot of thought into gay sex. I also must applaud you for using the word retard - very Christian like...

[ItODDospeed]

You see, even atheists know Christians live to a higher code of morality. Just goes to show that an atheist can not show the same level of respect or humanity that a Christian would show them. Your whole post just let me know you know nothing about Christianity. We don't follow some ancient book. Everyone has morals. I don't need the Bible to tell me it's wrong, I already know it is. The bible is very much relevant to a Christians life, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that. You did say one thing true though. The bible is not relevant in this "modern" world. People don't care for Christ or what he did. He said Homself it would be like this.

Seriously? I am a scientist, and most (88%) do not believe in God. The scientists that are Atheists (5%) certainly know that the bible is a human doctrine. No Atheist would ever say that a Christian has a higher moral ground. The very reason they question Christianity is, because of the actions of so called Christians.

The ONLY reason the bible even was able to say the world would be like this is, because the two testaments are so far apart, and science was already taking the place of faith. The bible doesn't have a place anymore, because it's an antiquated story of fiction. There isn't a person out here who can say a single word from the bible, God's or Jesus's existence is a fact. It's a belief, but if you need an antiquated story of fiction to bind you to be a better person - please, keep following your FAITH.

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It is everyone's problem when they do not wish to follow the process to properly change the law. Everyone else has to petition their state congressmen when they want a marriage law changed, why should a specific special interest minority group be allowed to overthrow the normal process?

In 1996, GA enacted section 19-3-3.1 in the Georgia Code, stopping gay marriage in other states from being recognized in GA. The gay community has not even bothered to make much of a challenge to the law.

In 2004, GA's state congress passed SR 595, which ameded the GA state Constitution to define marriage as one man - one woman. Again, the gay community has not mounted any real challenge to the law.

Why can't the gay community work to change the GA law through the legal process? Do they think that they cannot get enough support?

GA also voted for Slavery. Every man and woman is created equal. This can not be a state issue, it's a U.S. issue. Remember when some states allowed slavery and some didn't - that didn't work out at all for the States. If gay marriage isn't accepted in one state, but is in another - how do you not see the same separation of states during the civil war. A war when the purpose was equality, and freedom. There is no way equality can be meet without the states acting as the U.S.A. I don't think you understand history to well, or you'd have seen what I said, instead of your short-sighted comment.

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Seriously? I am a scientist, and most (88%) do not believe in God. The scientists that are Atheists (5%) certainly know that the bible is a human doctrine. No Atheist would ever say that a Christian has a higher moral ground. The very reason they question Christianity is, because of the actions of so called Christians.

The ONLY reason the bible even was able to say the world would be like this is, because the two testaments are so far apart, and science was already taking the place of faith. The bible doesn't have a place anymore, because it's an antiquated story of fiction. There isn't a person out here who can say a single word from the bible, God's or Jesus's existence is a fact. It's a belief, but if you need an antiquated story of fiction to bind you to be a better person - please, keep following your FAITH.

Fact: Jesus was real.

Whether or not he was some magician or just a guy with some good tips for life is all about what you believe.

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As far as lesbians go, lots of them enjoy the company of a man every now and then.

So what was the point of this? Some gay men have sex with women every now and then.

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I'm merely stating the obvious and asking simple questions. I'm not scholar or scientist but surely I can theorize and speculate things of my own life. Can a scientist study my brain and DNA and tell me why I prefer a certain type of woman better than I can? Most guys are attracted to a certain type of woman, even gay men have their own preferences. If one is born gay and has absolutely no choice in the matter of sexual orientation ( which is the same exact thing as sexual attraction) then why do they have a choice in the "type" of guy they like? One would think that if sexual attraction was purely genetic then we would all be "programmed" to find the perfect life mate. Think about it man, it's not a concept that's "far out there". Ask yourself a simple question, why are you attracted to specific types of women? Attraction is a choice, I can speak from experience that on more than one occasion, I have grown to be attracted to a woman whom I at first did not find attractive sexually.

What is with you and sex? I'm starting to think you may be questioning your manhood and may have strange feelings towards men and that scares you. I also can't grasp why people think gay people choose to be gay purely for sexual pleasure. Any gay guys I know are far more into each other than just in bed.

I somewhat agree if you're "bi" you're probably just bi because you have some freaky sexual desires, it's sort of hard to be in between I would imagine, but I'm not a scientist.

...it just so happens you're a lot more likely to get sued for calling me nigger than I am you cracker.

Good luck suing someone because they called you a name.

Really though racism is stupid and there are many to blame. Whites that hate blacks, hispanics that hate whites, blacks that hate asians, it's everywhere. It comes from stupidity and nothing more, blacks blame whites for their lack of a job or their lack of education while whites blame hispanics for lack of work, it's just everywhere.

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I've read most of Jefferson's writings, as well as most of the founding fathers. I understand quite well.

I really don't think so. While you may have read, but reading comprehension is key.