Anyone looking for a schlorship?

[BanginJimmy]

That is a straw man argument. No one here is arguing we need to have the same number of blacks or whites getting scholarships. I'm certainly not. That being said, saying we all have equal opportunities is pure naivite. In this country we all have great potential to succeed but the world is full of biases and unequal opportunity and we will never abolish that completely.

This is true on an individual level, but on the institutional level everyone has the same opportunity. It doesnt matter if you grew up in the projects or the Hamptons. You may not be able to take the same route, but you can get to the same destination. A good example from my life would be the CEO of the company I work for. He couldnt afford college after HS so we spent 4 years in the Marine Corps first. He just retired as the CEO of one of the largest multinational corporations in the world. One that does about 45bil a year in sales.

[bu villain]

This is true on an individual level, but on the institutional level everyone has the same opportunity. It doesnt matter if you grew up in the projects or the Hamptons. You may not be able to take the same route, but you can get to the same destination. A good example from my life would be the CEO of the company I work for. He couldnt afford college after HS so we spent 4 years in the Marine Corps first. He just retired as the CEO of one of the largest multinational corporations in the world. One that does about 45bil a year in sales.

Yeah I totally agree. I guess it's the term "equal opportunity" that causes confusion. It is theoretically possible that the daughter of a militant Islamic crackhead could grow up to become president of the US but I don't consider such a person to have "equal opportunity" to do so as say, George W. Bush. Even if they had equal levels of intelligence, industriousness, and drive. I not saying we should expect such perfect opportunities between such different origins either, but some barriers are manufactured through personal and institutional bias that should be broken down.

[BanginJimmy]

Yeah I totally agree. I guess it's the term "equal opportunity" that causes confusion. It is theoretically possible that the daughter of a militant Islamic crackhead could grow up to become president of the US but I don't consider such a person to have "equal opportunity" to do so as say, George W. Bush. Even if they had equal levels of intelligence, industriousness, and drive. I not saying we should expect such perfect opportunities between such different origins either, but some barriers are manufactured through personal and institutional bias that should be broken down.

While that girl may not be president it doesnt mean she wont be the CEO. Politics isnt like the real world though. In politics, you are defined as much by things you had no control over as you are with your politics. More attractive people tend to move further in politics. The same is true of people with family with political connections or those with an academic background.


In some ways you are trying to urn equality in outcome into equality in opportunity. 2 people that take the exact same path through life can still end up with unequal outcomes. Sometimes its just a matter of being in the right place at the right time.

[efNawesome]

idk how to say this without some one calling me a racist but here it goes... can you please stop with the african american bullshit we are all just fucking AMERICANS! or did you forget that the africans are the ones that sold you? we actualy made your lifes better which is why when slaves were released a lot chose to stay with the familys they worked for i am in no way justifying slavory im am simply saying nobody owes you shit white black brown yellow or blue everyone had it bad at some point let it go and if you have never so much as made a phone call to africa your no african your american just like me and should be damn proud of it and if anyone thinks what i say about us all being just americans then get the fuck out of my country with your whinning remember your culture but be proud of your fucking country.
sleep deprived rant is over now sorry if i hurt your litte feelings