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do you even have some f*cking idea how many Christians are in the entire world? Did you know Christianity is THE biggest religion with over 2 billion people, followed by Islam in second place? So you still want to paint with that wide a brush, since you obviously know all 2 billion people??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
you're right..... now imagine how great the world would be if it wasnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
Humans are dumb, panicky, irrational animals. There will always be religion to quell those people, and as soon as protestant Christianity dies out, there will be something new to replace it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
So, if we go back to the "time before religion" we would be back in the Stone Age, living in caves, hunting with spears, etc., right? I'll keep my world of Christians and Muslims, complete with cars, air conditioning, hospitals, and fast food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Religion was responsible for none of those. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
And even in the stone age, there was religion, just not "Christianity"
Oh so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Yes. Obviously I dont know 2 billion people. But you as a christian sure are using some foul language, as the majority of christians do. Just saying.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
So Christians can't fucking cuss? That's some bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
On a related note.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NDR8Rp3uYk
dude just go with it lol
I'm amazed at the shit you find sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echonova
First "car" was steam powered - created by Ferdinand Verbiest, a Jesuit missionary in China. Karl benz is recognized as the father of the modern car - I have no idea if he was a Christian or religious.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Fast Food - chicken sandwich - Chick-Fil-A, enough said.
Willis Carrier came from a deeply religious Christian family, and went on to bring us modern air conditioning.
The ancient Egyptians and the ancient Greeks linked religion and medicine, see their temples. The first documented institutions that functioned as hospitals were Egyptian temples.
You can't just rule out the effect that religion as a concept has had on modern life.
What religions did the cave man recognized? No one has seemed to be able to determine that, they just guess that they had some sort of religion in the upper paleolithic.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA what!?!?!
You just told me that some of the people you designated as the pioneers of those technologies may have been religious, but religion was still not responsible for them, sorry. All of those would have come along, religion or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
Wow...... did you really just say that????Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
My nonreligious world has cars too, but i test drive them before i buy them.... and want to drive every single one of them.
To associate christianity with technology in any way shape or form is absolutely ridiculous. Most of the world's genius' were nonreligious.... because to be honest.... anyone that intelligent is naturally intelligent enough not to believe in fairy tales. Look up the % of scientist who believe in god...... go grab a post it note and make me a list of certified genius' who believe in god. Sigmund Freud, Leonardo Divinci, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerburg, many believe the 3rd president of the united states was an atheist....god sure did "bless" these nonbelievers.
religion is a thorn in the side of science and medicine, to give them credit for any technological advancements is asinine! Remove religion from the world and we're probably living to be 250 years old right now. "playing god" if god's works can be replicated then maybe hes not that special after all.
I still don't get the point in bashing religion, someones belief doesn't effect you...AT ALL.
There are extremist, but there are extremist that aren't into religion either. Your bashing of religion is no different than some insane extremist Christian saying you're going to hell for not going to church.
I didn't quote the rest of your post because you're too stupid to actually research what you say, but saying intelligent people don't believe in God is just flat out dumb. The funny part is this is coming from by far the stupidest member to ever post on this website, so it's meaningless to anyone that should take offense from it. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
From your post it also seems you think any religious individual doesn't believe in science, medicine, or anything else. You seem to think anyone that believes in God is blind to anything else in the world and thinks God deserves credit for anything and everything that is done. You also seem to think without religion we would live longer? LMFAO! I never knew religion dictated how long you live. Where did you grow up? Did you even get out of middle school? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Proof that we would be at the same location in time?Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
You really have a reading comprehension problem, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
Do you have any concept of how integrated religion is in Japanese society? How it affects their culture and decision making? Your car is a Japanese import. just think about it for a moment. Christianity is not the only religion.
Thomas Jefferson was a diest, not a Christian.
You need to study your history, as you clearly have no concept of how we reached this point in time.
You are a moron to believe that we would be 250 years old without religion. Your ignorance and hatred towards "God" blinds you to reality.
You joking, right? Not sure if religious people don't notice, but EVERYWHERE you go now days somebodies religion affects you. School, retail stores, gas stations, work, and at your own home. When I was unemployed, the "witnesses" came to my house 3 times a week on average. Face facts man, religious people don't like you not to believe what they believe. And once they find out you don't have a religion, they will do anything in their power to try to get you in "their" church. As if one church will make the difference that the other churches didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by simontibbett
Me personally, I am not a religion "basher". I just do not like to be bothered and lectured by people who believe their religion is what "I" need in my life. You have your religion, believe in it and quit trying to make me believe something that is not believable in my eyes. I don't walk around wal-mart handing out flyers to people trying to get them not to believe in god...... so why do religious people? Crazy world we live in. But I deal with it now, when people ask me about religion or wanna talk about it.... i simply say "I have my own relationship with god".... then they'll drop it, lol.
Once again, some, not all, just as some people that don't like religion want to be completely sure you KNOW they don't like religion. If all religious people felt this way you wouldn't even be able to walk without having to stop because someone is trying to feed you something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
I'd love to hear how retail stores, schools, etc all have anything to do with religion.
You live in a Christian dominated country, of course there will be religious holiday type things everywhere in season, but I'm pretty sure last time I walked into Publix the cashier didn't say "are you currently a member of a church?"
But honestly, how does religion have to do with the things we build, invent, and discover? Religion is mainly just believing how we got here and why. Because I believe in god and have religious ways, is that the reason I do something great? ...... So if japanese people didnt have a religion we wouldnt have any cars from japan? This whole idea of religion makes us do this or that isn't a good topic to discuss IMO, because there is no proof that someones religion DIRECTLY is the reason they did something great.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
People who aren't religious don't walk around telling people that what they believe is not right. Not sure what publix you go to, but I've had multiple people come up to me with flyers and papers speaking about their church or their beliefs. And I'm not talking about any holidays, strictly about the people who make it a point to make sure you believe what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by simontibbett
You do know Japan is one of the most non religious countries in the WORLD right?Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
Belief and faith affects people's outlooks and decision, even if they do not always realize it. It can be for good or bad. Look at the Crusades - a very negative event that still affects our world centuries later. People do not sit down and say, "I'm going to invent something because of religion"; however, their environment always affects them, and religion is part of their environment. You cannot separate one part of someone's existence and still arrive at the sum of their life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
Likewise, the denial of a specific existence has a similar affect, not to leave that out either.
In specific answer to your exact questions:
Believing or not believeing could affect your decisions, either negatively or positively, but either is likely to have some variation of impact on you, in varying amounts. You might do something great, or something terrible (or something not so much either way).
Without religion, we might still have cars from Japan, but the conditions that they produce them could be drastically different in regards to work practices.
Are you kidding me? American Atheists (http://www.atheists.org/) specifically targets religious communities:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1316294.html
You do know that they follow a lot of religious customs for a country that is less religious than many others, right? And, currently, 46% of them still believe in "God/gods". If they are so affected by the tradition of following relgious customs (84%-96%), just think how traditional Islamic countries are integrated into their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
You cannot eliminate religion and expect the world to progress the same way, with as many customs and traditions being based upon religion.
^ Are you sure you wanna go the billboard route? Lol. I can show you 100x as many billboards that are WORSE from the other side.
I think you're confusing religion with culture. Two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
You can not eliminate religion. You can grow out of it or you can become more tolerant.
And you automatically assume that I'm a Christian.... see what I mean? I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdm94Coupe
Great point. Well spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
Show me a billboard that a church has put in an atheist community that is specifically calling atheists beliefs a myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
No I am not confusing them, in most of the world, they are intertwined in many aspects. Having been to Asia, I have had the opportunity to experience it firsthand.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
We agree on the inability to eliminate religion. You have many options though. You can choose to believe or not believe in one or multiple religions without it affecting your belief in a deity/deities/no diety. You can choose to follow traditions of one or multiple religions, or none at all. You can choose to share your testimony of your personal beliefs, or not.
The issue is that too many people attempt to push their own beliefs and agendas on others, whether they be believers or non-believers (any religion, or lack there of). Because people are people though, you will never see this change - which brings in your comment of tolerance, which is the smartest answer.
I can dance all day....just a few messages of hate, ignorance and intolerance...Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
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Locations? Specifically in "atheist communities" - you know, just like American Atheists did with the Jewish and Muslim communities in the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Now personally, while I support free speech, there is a thing called common decency that all of the people that payed to put up those billboards spouting hate should learn.
Not believing in God is not anti-American, nor do I believe that being an atheist means that you hate your country. Messages like that are just as stupid as the ones that American Atheists payed for, no matter where they are.