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[David88vert]

I've gotten pulled over plenty of times where I deserved to be also. I'm not referring to those incidents. Those are fine and are reasonable. In this thread, I am only referring to simple examples of blatent disregard for the law by sworn police officers.

Getting pulled over at 3am while driving home from work, not swerving or sleepy or drunk, asking the officer why, and his stated reason for probable cause was, "Driving at 3am is probable cause", but that was another stop that was nothing more than a fishing expedition by Gwinnett PD. I did not get a ticket that time either, as I knew the law, and did not consent to a search of my car. That was also in the stock Probe

BTW - I have zero points on my license, so don't even think that they would have been able to run my tag and gotten back priors to have anything to base these stops on. My DMV report is clean.

I've been pulled over for "running a top sign" before, where I clearly came to a full stop for over 3 full seconds, let another car through, then had a local cop follow me about a mile, before he flipped on his lights. He accused me of running the stop sign, which I immediately denied. He then said that he was going to search my truck, which I refused. He claimed that he did not need my consent. I explained to him that although I was only 16 at the time, I knew the law, and that he had to have either my consent or a warrant. I asked him to call his supervisor, and he told me to have a nice day, and left.

There are plenty of cops out there that try to use the public's lack of knowledge concerning their legal rights to find a way to increase their arrest and ticket numbers.
Think of it this way. How do cops show that they are successful and move up the ladder to better paying positions? They have to show that they are good at their job. How is that evaluated? It's not by how many innocent people that they protect, or by how many people that they let go.
Now, ask yourself the same questions about judges. How do they move up to higher courts, or show themselves to be successful? Still think that the legal system is fair and balanced? Still think that they can be unbiased, when they have to work with the same cops and lawyers everyday? I've had a judge personally sit with me in his office and tell me honestly that he has to work with the same GSP troopers every week, and they are what brings in revenue to his county, so he will always take their word over any other evidence. Still think that you have a fair shot in a trial?

[quickdodge®]

I've gotten pulled over plenty of times where I deserved to be also. I'm not referring to those incidents. Those are fine and are reasonable. In this thread, I am only referring to simple examples of blatent disregard for the law by sworn police officers.

I realize your references, David. I'm just saying that I must be lucky because I have never been pulled over for no reason. When I say never, I mean the literal sense of the word. And my head isn't clouded with blindness where I didn't "see" I was being pulled over for nothing. I have always known what I was doing wrong.

Still think that the legal system is fair and balanced?

Yes. I never said there wasn't flaws and errors and "mistakes" in our police. I'm just referring to my experiences and the fact that most people cry foul with the police just because. Later, QD.

[David88vert]

I realize your references, David. I'm just saying that I must be lucky because I have never been pulled over for no reason. When I say never, I mean the literal sense of the word. And my head isn't clouded with blindness where I didn't "see" I was being pulled over for nothing. I have always known what I was doing wrong.

Yes. I never said there wasn't flaws and errors and "mistakes" in our police. I'm just referring to my experiences and the fact that most people cry foul with the police just because. Later, QD.

I agree that a lot of people cry foul when they were doing something wrong to begin with. I have just found that there are other instances also. Not all are mistakes or errors, some are intentional, but that is true in any business or industry, and the legal system is a business, and anywhere there are transactions, you will have some level of corruption and abuse in the system. That does not mean that all are bad though, obviously.
My reference earlier to "fair and balanced" is that officers and judges are based upon their success. One of the measureables of their success is the revenue generated by their work. Therefore, they have a conflict of interest by definition.

[00CiViC00]

oh i hear ya ,,, but i have to hear stories from the other side all the time . BOTH my parents are police officers , one retired from Smyrna , the other is about to retire from Cobb... so i just see their point of view also which makes me say what i did ....herd countless stories of my dad when he first was on the road having people flick him off while they pass him. and nedless to say dude got a ticket and a broken middle finger < true story

[silversol]

oh i hear ya ,,, but i have to hear stories from the other side all the time . BOTH my parents are police officers , one retired from Smyrna , the other is about to retire from Cobb... so i just see their point of view also which makes me say what i did ....herd countless stories of my dad when he first was on the road having people flick him off while they pass him. and nedless to say dude got a ticket and a broken middle finger < true story

SO Your father the police officer assulted someone that was not a threat to him! Nice

[CSquared]

I've gotten pulled over plenty of times where I deserved to be also. I'm not referring to those incidents. Those are fine and are reasonable. In this thread, I am only referring to simple examples of blatent disregard for the law by sworn police officers.

Getting pulled over at 3am while driving home from work, not swerving or sleepy or drunk, asking the officer why, and his stated reason for probable cause was, "Driving at 3am is probable cause", but that was another stop that was nothing more than a fishing expedition by Gwinnett PD. I did not get a ticket that time either, as I knew the law, and did not consent to a search of my car. That was also in the stock Probe

BTW - I have zero points on my license, so don't even think that they would have been able to run my tag and gotten back priors to have anything to base these stops on. My DMV report is clean.

I've been pulled over for "running a top sign" before, where I clearly came to a full stop for over 3 full seconds, let another car through, then had a local cop follow me about a mile, before he flipped on his lights. He accused me of running the stop sign, which I immediately denied. He then said that he was going to search my truck, which I refused. He claimed that he did not need my consent. I explained to him that although I was only 16 at the time, I knew the law, and that he had to have either my consent or a warrant. I asked him to call his supervisor, and he told me to have a nice day, and left.

There are plenty of cops out there that try to use the public's lack of knowledge concerning their legal rights to find a way to increase their arrest and ticket numbers.
Think of it this way. How do cops show that they are successful and move up the ladder to better paying positions? They have to show that they are good at their job. How is that evaluated? It's not by how many innocent people that they protect, or by how many people that they let go.
Now, ask yourself the same questions about judges. How do they move up to higher courts, or show themselves to be successful? Still think that the legal system is fair and balanced? Still think that they can be unbiased, when they have to work with the same cops and lawyers everyday? I've had a judge personally sit with me in his office and tell me honestly that he has to work with the same GSP troopers every week, and they are what brings in revenue to his county, so he will always take their word over any other evidence. Still think that you have a fair shot in a trial?

lol You guys all must be some shady looking mother fuckers.

GA Police are pussy cats compared to Nassau County in New York (in dickish-ness and sheer amount per mile). 5 years living in Gwinnett I was pulled over 5 times that I can recall, which I deserved, but I have only been ticketed once... Which I deserved... and they've never been particularly rude.

Lived 3 years of my driving age in NY (moved to GA at 18 and moved back for 2 years recently) and I've been ticketed in 2 out of 2 stops... and I totaled 4 tickets in between those 2 stops (both being complete dicks).

Never mind being at a train station parking lot where a bunch of tuners used to hang out and having that raided by 10-12 police who checked every single car on the way out of the lot... Never mind being at another meet and watching some special unit show up and check vins/engines on every honda in the lot (if I'm not mistaken they actually towed a few). And both of those meets were seriously just a "chill in the parking lot and check out each others cars" kind of thing (thankfully I was riding with someone else in both instances).

Look and be amazed at the Nassau County Police salaries: http://longisland.newsday.com/templa...pleDB/?pid=173

So it's all a matter of perspective I guess, but I'd take Gwinnett over Nassau any day.

[David88vert]

lol You guys all must be some shady looking mother fuckers.

I've never been accused of looking shady. I'm about the most clean cut looking person that you could meet.

[quickdodge®]

I've never been accused of looking shady. I'm about the most clean cut looking person that you could meet.

I vouch. He's never had the "hoodlum" look as long as I've known him. Later, QD.

[David88vert]

I vouch. He's never had the "hoodlum" look as long as I've known him. Later, QD.

I don't think that I could pull off the look very well. :-)

[silversol]

lol You guys all must be some shady looking mother fuckers. .

Far from It I feel my age at the time had alot to do it.