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Alot of people at hitting the nail on the head. Nopi/apc and other big names are gone. I would love to see some of our sponsors have a import atlanta meet sponsored who ever. The reason alot of the big names are gone is becase the money is not there alot of the reason alot of small performance shops are gone. Like vteckidd said The import crowd just seems to reek of below average intelligence when I was open for bussiness I wanted to beat my head aginst the wall talking to some of them. I could predict what they were going to say before they say it. First words are always whats the lowest you will take, Take any trades? and what do you mean you wont trade your car you have forsale for my xbox skateboard and a roof bike rack?

I know with the calls i was getting the other small shops were getting the same calls. And lets be honest the whole import scean is sketchy the people are sketchy everyone that owns a honda lives in fear of something happening to it. Its always a big secret whats under the hood. At the same time no one with a high dollar car like a gtr/vette/evo or a sti wants to drop off there car at a shop full of junky honda zip tied and primered together.

I think alot of it is the import crowd Not the whole car enthusiast crowd. becase like i said the import crowd is cheap and has alot of sketchy people in it because of it! Go to a corvette meet and its a older crowd and well every one has money to buy a vette so people that own them arnt looking to steal someone elses vette. Not saying that it does not happen but its few and far between..

I have a classic mustang that i use to go to a ton of shows with it was alot of fun everyone is super friendly and everyone had there hood open becase is not a big sketchy secret whats under the hood beacase there are not alot of sketchy people around. There was a huge diffrence in the type of people in the import and other car meets. Driving the mustang if another classic car owner say me I would get a thumbs up or a friendly wave, Unlike driving in a moded honda if another honda/import owner gets beside me Its OMFG there cant be another import with in a half mile around me and want to have a suddned race to the death in the middle of 5pm atlanta traffic.

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And Travis is right about go look at other meets with other car people. Most people get along and enjoy each other, have a nice time, act like adults.........then go to a Varsity meet............look at the difference. Who wants to be 30 years old hanging out at the Varsity? Look at the poeple that go there? Dont you want something BETTER for yourself? Who wants to hang around a bunch of people making $20,000 a year who live at home and have no money, no education, no values, no ambition, no direction?

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And Travis is right about go look at other meets with other car people. Most people get along and enjoy each other, have a nice time, act like adults.........then go to a Varsity meet............look at the difference. Who wants to be 30 years old hanging out at the Varsity? Look at the poeple that go there? Dont you want something BETTER for yourself? Who wants to hang around a bunch of people making $20,000 a year who live at home and have no money, no education, no values, no ambition, no direction?

I know how you feel about just not careing, Becase I really dont anymore I drive a bone stock 2000 honda civic that is automatic its super cheap to maintain and i dont have to do anything but put gas in it. And I can park it anywhere with out worry. I still have my mustang but i have not touched it in months becase its not costing me anything to let it sit. I like to watch my bank account grow and my stock portfolio grow and work on myself and my future rather then my car. I still love to go to a classic car show becase everyone is respectful of each other. Also my classic car has gained value since i have owned it and will continue to gain value Not that i want to sell it but its almost as good as money in the bank, when I got a loan from my local bank a few years ago they had no problem useing it as colateral for my loan.

With the import crowd I sware I have never seen a group of car guys fighting to knock the value of there cars down like them. Looking at some of the post on this forum will prove that, they all think they are car apprasers and becase they saw one 2000 civic sell for 500 they are all worth that now. And the wtb threads no one want to buy car they want a perfect car as a shell and throw there swap in and go and are willling to pay up 500 whole dollars for it lol! Does it matter you just spent 800 bucks on paint and replaced all the suspension bushings? No Becase "Awww Man its just a shell doggg" I feel bad for the guys that really do have nice imports that have spent money on good high dollar stuff and have spent thousands of dollars on paint and body and a legit high dollar jdm engine swap, Just to get hounded by the kids on here Like how dare you ask top dollar for a car you selling at a loss already? Or the will you sell it as a shell Ill give you 5oo for it? When I had a car dealers licence I hated selling honda/acura cars. Becase they go for crazy money at the dealer auction and kids think they give them away at the auctions so they can low ball the hell out of you. I made more money selling pick up trucks then I ever did with hondas.

Yes People move on Im still Into cars and like you said I think Alot of the lowballers and stupid people are ruining things for others. Like you said guys grow up and dont want to be surounded by stupid Kids. I think this is the reason alot of companys and sponsors realise this and pull out do to the lack of money. Kids dont getting it that is cost money to have a event and they are doing the event to bring in business, And now it just leads to trouble Like the thread about garage zero they have a event and insted of getting business they get a few sets of wheels jaked..

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With the import crowd I sware I have never seen a group of car guys fighting to knock the value of there cars down like them. Looking at some of the post on this forum will prove that, they all think they are car apprasers and becase they saw one 2000 civic sell for 500 they are all worth that now. And the wtb threads no one want to buy car they want a perfect car as a shell and throw there swap in and go and are willling to pay up 500 whole dollars for it lol! Does it matter you just spent 800 bucks on paint and replaced all the suspension bushings? No Becase "Awww Man its just a shell doggg" I feel bad for the guys that really do have nice imports that have spent money on good high dollar stuff and have spent thousands of dollars on paint and body and a legit high dollar jdm engine swap, Just to get hounded by the kids on here Like how dare you ask top dollar for a car you selling at a loss already? Or the will you sell it as a shell Ill give you 5oo for it? When I had a car dealers licence I hated selling honda/acura cars. Becase they go for crazy money at the dealer auction and kids think they give them away at the auctions so they can low ball the hell out of you. I made more money selling pick up trucks then I ever did with hondas.

Its like Gregg that is on here parting his car out. He used to brag about how cheap it was to build his K24 EG Hatch because he wanted to argue about how awesome a bargain hunter he was. He said he had less than $5000 in his whole car (which i knew was a lie). THEN, he posts a thread parting his car out and specifically says "NO LOWBALLERS" and acts like he is insulted at people offering him little money for his parts........wait.......isnt that what HE did to other people?

The majority of kids on here have NO MONEY and they dont want to SAVE more money so they just try to haggle people to death which does drive down the price of EVERYTHING. Quality cars get lumped in with shit cars, quality parts get devalued by replicas, etc

Theres nothing wrong with paying a fair price for a quality part. Nothing wrong with negotiating, but theres a difference between being thrifty and being BROKE. Case in point i sold some MINT Rotas few weeks ago and had them listed for $250 (50% of what they go for) and they had $400 in POTENZAS on them. I had people offering me $100, or "hey will you take the tires off i need 2". really? I finally dropped them down to $100 and they sold in hours, and i STILL HAD PEOPLE LOWBALLING ME $75 for them. When is lowballing lowballing, and when is negotiating now being a dick? I dont know but i think that was pretty absurd.

Yes People move on Im still Into cars and like you said I think Alot of the lowballers and stupid people are ruining things for others. Like you said guys grow up and dont want to be surounded by stupid Kids. I think this is the reason alot of companys and sponsors realise this and pull out do to the lack of money. Kids dont getting it that is cost money to have a event and they are doing the event to bring in business, And now it just leads to trouble Like the thread about garage zero they have a event and insted of getting business they get a few sets of wheels jaked..

I read that , that was pretty shitty. Some business decides to have an event to help the local people out and people use it to steal from them. If i was garage zero id never have another event again. Same thing happened to mainstream, we had a huge dyno day, and hid everything of value, then week later someone hopped the fence and stole $20,000 worth of stuff. BG had it happen IIRC someone stole Dan Kangs wheels off his car after a meet.

Who wants to operate with a clientele that refuses to pay your prices, wants to haggle you out of business, then rip you off when you try to do something nice?

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Its like Gregg that is on here parting his car out. He used to brag about how cheap it was to build his K24 EG Hatch because he wanted to argue about how awesome a bargain hunter he was. He said he had less than $5000 in his whole car (which i knew was a lie). THEN, he posts a thread parting his car out and specifically says "NO LOWBALLERS" and acts like he is insulted at people offering him little money for his parts........wait.......isnt that what HE did to other people?

The majority of kids on here have NO MONEY and they dont want to SAVE more money so they just try to haggle people to death which does drive down the price of EVERYTHING. Quality cars get lumped in with shit cars, quality parts get devalued by replicas, etc

Theres nothing wrong with paying a fair price for a quality part. Nothing wrong with negotiating, but theres a difference between being thrifty and being BROKE. Case in point i sold some MINT Rotas few weeks ago and had them listed for $250 (50% of what they go for) and they had $400 in POTENZAS on them. I had people offering me $100, or "hey will you take the tires off i need 2". really? I finally dropped them down to $100 and they sold in hours, and i STILL HAD PEOPLE LOWBALLING ME $75 for them. When is lowballing lowballing, and when is negotiating now being a dick? I dont know but i think that was pretty absurd.



I read that , that was pretty shitty. Some business decides to have an event to help the local people out and people use it to steal from them. If i was garage zero id never have another event again. Same thing happened to mainstream, we had a huge dyno day, and hid everything of value, then week later someone hopped the fence and stole $20,000 worth of stuff. BG had it happen IIRC someone stole Dan Kangs wheels off his car after a meet.

Who wants to operate with a clientele that refuses to pay your prices, wants to haggle you out of business, then rip you off when you try to do something nice?

Yeah i know that story with the wheels. I use to put shit up for stupid cheap just to get it out of my way, Im sure alot of people called me a dick and hated my guts when I would get a call from people offering 75$ for 400$ wheels I would just hang up on them, It was easy to just throw parts in it my dumbster then wait and deal with assholes to give shit away. Just like your rota wheel I know and you know it was not about the money You did not pick up a overnight crack addiction you just wanted them out of your way.