RIP - Matt @ Wagen Werks

[1civic]

Looks to be the brother!!! READ more..

I will also add that the official report states that the first officer to speak to Matt had "stepped away to verify information" that Matt had given him. This shows that he was in compliance with the first officer's wishes. He had nothing to hide and no reason to think he would be detained beyond that. Once his personal information had all checked out, he should have been free to go, but this sheriff deputy got involved for reasons unknown ( Cobb county has not explained that) and shot and killed him before they even knew that he was a law-abiding citizen just trying to come home from work. We should all be outraged that a man who was sworn to uphold the law and protect the citizens of his county killed an innocent man. It was cruel and unwarranted. Interesting that Cobb county police have not come out and admitted that my brother was in fact unarmed, was not using drugs or alcohol and was doing everything necessary to comply with the officer's wishes. They are trying to paint my brother as some kind of "hot head" when in fact, it was the Sheriff deputy who has now exposed himself as the hot head. According to one witness report, my brother's dying words were, "Why are you shooting at me?" Does this sound like someone who willingly tried to "scuffle" with police? Why would he comply with the first officer and "scuffle" with the other? Does a "scuffle" give an officer the right to use deadly force? They killed a man with NO record, who was unarmed and had not broken the law. No matter how you slice it...there is no way anyone can tell me my brother deserved that. No WAY !!

The truth will come out and we will not rest until it does.

Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal - Eyewitness disputes Cobb police report after officer shoots kills man in Mableton

[JITB]

Looks to be the brother!!! READ more..

I will also add that the official report states that the first officer to speak to Matt had "stepped away to verify information" that Matt had given him. This shows that he was in compliance with the first officer's wishes. He had nothing to hide and no reason to think he would be detained beyond that. Once his personal information had all checked out, he should have been free to go, but this sheriff deputy got involved for reasons unknown ( Cobb county has not explained that) and shot and killed him before they even knew that he was a law-abiding citizen just trying to come home from work. We should all be outraged that a man who was sworn to uphold the law and protect the citizens of his county killed an innocent man. It was cruel and unwarranted. Interesting that Cobb county police have not come out and admitted that my brother was in fact unarmed, was not using drugs or alcohol and was doing everything necessary to comply with the officer's wishes. They are trying to paint my brother as some kind of "hot head" when in fact, it was the Sheriff deputy who has now exposed himself as the hot head. According to one witness report, my brother's dying words were, "Why are you shooting at me?" Does this sound like someone who willingly tried to "scuffle" with police? Why would he comply with the first officer and "scuffle" with the other? Does a "scuffle" give an officer the right to use deadly force? They killed a man with NO record, who was unarmed and had not broken the law. No matter how you slice it...there is no way anyone can tell me my brother deserved that. No WAY !!

The truth will come out and we will not rest until it does.

Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal - Eyewitness disputes Cobb police report after officer shoots kills man in Mableton

That's what I read yesterday.....such a bad situation

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[1civic]

The Brother made a good point, WTF did a Sheriff Deputy get involved?? They work at the jail, and serve warrants, they don't do traffic stops!!

[1civic]

I could not have said it better myself!!!

READ:

A completely law abiding man, on his way home from a legal job, is stopped by police because THEY (no one else) believe he is "suspicious".

The Cop that started it all leaves the area, leaving the man whose RIGHTS he is violating in the cutody of a deputy sheriff, that had ZERO business even being there.

Now, those are facts, the next is conjecture .... the deputy tells the law abiding citizen, whise rights are being violated, to do something, and it is somthing that the deputy has no LEGAL authority to make the law abiding citizen do ....so the law abiding citizen, who has been unconstitutionally and illegally SEIZED (detained) by the Polioce Officer who is no longer even there refuse to comply with ther NON lawful command of the deputy ....which ticks the deputy off, and he decides to PHYSICALLY make the law abiding citizen comply, by FURTHER violating his rights via a physical assault ......just about that time, a second, and unconcerned/unneeded Police officer shows up, sees the deputy LOSING his illegal assault upon the law abiding citizen, and simply will NOT HAVE THAT, so he shoots the law abiding citizen several times, killing him.

In effect, the man dies because the police chose to violate his constitutional rights under the 4th Amendment several times, and because he did not cower sufficiently to their AUTHORITAH !

Then they all got together, realising they had just murdered/killed a man that they could only LEGITIMATELY say that they "suspected of being suspicious" and concocted a lie about a weapon and an unprovoked assault on a deputy.

How many here think my conjecture is pretty close to what REALLY happened.

Where is justice for Mr. Murdock !!!!!

We DEMAND IT !!!!

Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal - Eyewitness disputes Cobb police report after officer shoots kills man in Mableton

[1civic]

Found the cops name!!

the officer (Sean Henry) who shot this guy is a hot head and is known for over reacting to situation.....probably the case here again!!! I feel for the family of this victim and hope the truth comes out about this incident.

http://cumming.patch.com/articles/cu...county-officer

[1civic]

R Murdock
9:27am on Sunday, May 22, 2011
This young man was an Eagle Scout and an Explorer Scout for two years working with the Concord Police Department participating ride alongs and working DUI check points. He recently obtained a a gun permit and a concealed weapon permit going through an extensive criminal background check. He had the utmost respect for for law enforcement personnel.
The interesting element here is that Matt stood 5 feet 10 inches tall weighing 150 pounds. Yet Cobb County Sheriff spokesperson stated two deputies couldn't subdue him (if a scuffle did occur). Their only recourse was to shoot him?? Oh, he was unarmed when shot. Also Cobb County Sheriffs Departmene has not said how many shots were fired. One witness counted 6.
Who can tell me how many wrongful death actions have occurred within the Cobb County Sheriffs Department?
Maybe residences and visitors to Cobb County better start wearing bullet proof vests..
R Murdock


R Murdock
1:35pm on Sunday, May 22, 2011
There are no words that can describe the devastation and grief our family is going through. Matt was a law abiding citizen and had respect for law enforcement and worked with them on several occasions. More said on Cobb County, it took me several phone calls to locate Matt's body. Does no one have the decency to communicate this information to a grieving family? We will pursue the truth and Cobb County will be held accountable. The community needs to come together, innnocent people are not safe living or working there.. Let justice be served.
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R Murdock
3:43pm on Sunday, May 22, 2011
I am also Matt's aunt from Calif, this has been most horrific and uncalled for. Our family has suffered a huge loss. I remember Matt when he was younger always wanting to be a "Peace Officer" . He went on ride alongs with the local police, when he lived in Calif. He always wanted to protect the people in his community. He was always funny and a joy to be around. I was interested in the comment that Cobb county does have their own investigators which I found out this morning after talking to the Medical Examiners office. We will find out more come Monday and are going to do everything we can that to make sure the truth comes out and this is investigated properly. The people of this community need to feel that they are protected not at the mercy of some trigger happy cop.
C. Jessup

[driftuner240]

rip matt

[Vteckidd]

I agree the sheriff seems like somethig fishy unless they were arresting him then the sheriff can transport him to the jail.

I want to know why the officer drew his weapon and what started the scuffle if there was one. Something prompted him to pull his gun and something cause then to argue or fight.

And usually the officer stopping has to transfer custody to the sheriff and call it in. There should be no reason for the stopping officer to call a sheriff unless it was for backup or while running his background they found something.

IMO what it sounds like is they got a suspicious persons/prowler call. They stopped matt. They asked to ID, they ran his record, they found something worth arresting him for, called a sheriff for transport, he got mad, they fought, they shot and killed him.

[Vteckidd]

[QUOTE=1civic;39260361]I could not have said it better myself!!!



A completely law abiding man, on his way home from a legal job, is stopped by police because THEY (no one else) believe he is "suspicious".

The Cop that started it all leaves the area, leaving the man whose RIGHTS he is violating in the cutody of a deputy sheriff, that had ZERO business even being there.

assumption

Now, those are facts, the next is conjecture .... the deputy tells the law abiding citizen, whise rights are being violated, to do something, and it is somthing that the deputy has no LEGAL authority to make the law abiding citizen do ....so the law abiding citizen, who has been unconstitutionally and illegally SEIZED (detained) by the Polioce Officer who is no longer even there refuse to comply with ther NON lawful command of the deputy ....which ticks the deputy off, and he decides to PHYSICALLY make the law abiding citizen comply, by FURTHER violating his rights via a physical assault ......just about that time, a second, and unconcerned/unneeded Police officer shows up, sees the deputy LOSING his illegal assault upon the law abiding citizen, and simply will NOT HAVE THAT, so he shoots the law abiding citizen several times, killing him.

assumptions. Why did the stopping officer leave? why was a second officer called in? what was the results of his background check? what did they order him to do? Why did he resist?

Those are all questions no one has the answer and everyone is GUESSING. They have protocol people, they have to do it by the book. If they didnt, the video tape will show that, so will the dispatch calls. but until you know all that STOP GUESSING.

Based upon the LIMITED info out, it sounds like they stopped him, which FYI they can DETAIN you up to 24 hours with no charges, they can even bring you in for questioning, after they read you your rights to an attorney or if you ask for one.

It sounds like they stopped him for whatever reason, ran his info, saw something questionable or he fit a description, called for backup, asked him to do something, he resisted, they had an argument, got into a scuffle shot and killed him.

I do not think a cop would just say "HEY PUNK IM SHOOTING YOU BECAUSE I CAN". hot head or not. Being a hot head is VERY different then killing someone in cold blood. Plus there are conflicting accounts. 1 account says the guy is a HOT HEAD that SHOT matt who also was in an altercation with him, the second says ANOTHER cop cam on scene saw the scuffle and shot him. so which is it?

In effect, the man dies because the police chose to violate his constitutional rights under the 4th Amendment several times, and because he did not cower sufficiently to their AUTHORITAH !

His 4th amendment rights were not violated. He was stopped, he wasnt searched according to the report, and he wasnt questioned without counsel. They didnt arrest him, 4th amendment doesnt matter. They can stop you for anything. They didnt profile him, and according to the report he wasnt arrested so 4th amendment DOESNT APPLY.

Im sorry but we should wait for the results of the investigation.

[JITB]

I agree the sheriff seems like somethig fishy unless they were arresting him then the sheriff can transport him to the jail.

I want to know why the officer drew his weapon and what started the scuffle if there was one. Something prompted him to pull his gun and something cause then to argue or fight.

And usually the officer stopping has to transfer custody to the sheriff and call it in. There should be no reason for the stopping officer to call a sheriff unless it was for backup or while running his background they found something.

IMO what it sounds like is they got a suspicious persons/prowler call. They stopped matt. They asked to ID, they ran his record, they found something worth arresting him for, called a sheriff for transport, he got mad, they fought, they shot and killed him.

His brother said he has no record, and before the sheriff came, the owner of the shop were he works had already told the officers he was a employee leaving the place.

Coincidently he was helping him put up lighting because the shop was broken into recently.

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[EmminoDaGreat]

That is depressing.

[Vteckidd]

His brother said he has no record, and before the sheriff came, the owner of the shop were he works had already told the officers he was a employee leaving the place.

Coincidently he was helping him put up lighting because the shop was broken into recently.

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my sisters didnt know i got a DUI 5 years ago, neither do my parents (sorry mom if you read this).

None of my employers knew about my street racing tickets, my arrests from wreckless driving, etc. SO dont assume so quick.

One thing is for sure, the sheriff was called or stopped for SOME REASON and SOMETHING started the fight. interested to find out what it was

[JITB]

my sisters didnt know i got a DUI 5 years ago, neither do my parents (sorry mom if you read this).

None of my employers knew about my street racing tickets, my arrests from wreckless driving, etc. SO dont assume so quick.

One thing is for sure, the sheriff was called or stopped for SOME REASON and SOMETHING started the fight. interested to find out what it was

The only witness has said plenty of times that he saw no struggle anytime...as I said before. And he gains nothing from lying..

Sounds like your reaching a bit!

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[Vteckidd]

The only witness has said plenty of times that he saw no struggle anytime...as I said before. And he gains nothing from lying..

Sounds like your reaching a bit!

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the same witness that walked up well after the traffic stop had begun? according to his own account.

[Vteckidd]

wtf he has EVERY reason to lie, his friend just got killed by a cop. no one likes that at all no matter who it is

Not saying he IS lieing, but both sides have reasons to lie. Either the officer had justification, or he didnt.

maybe lieing is the wrong word. Embelishing? confused? unsure? those are better words. We dont know what was said or done before he was shot, until we know that the rest is all speculation.

[Crazydelsol]

rip matt!

[RL...]

Whether there was a strugge or not, no one deserves to be shot because of one period. I wish the officer would go to trial for murder.

[Vteckidd]

Whether there was a strugge or not, no one deserves to be shot because of one period. I wish the officer would go to trial for murder.

its like im beating my head against a wall.

If the struggle was because he said "im gonna grab my gun an kill your ass" then absolutely they will fucking open fire on him. When cops shoot, they shoot to KILL. not to wound.

Since we dont know WHY the officer pulled the gun or got in a scuffle in the first place, you cant say it was wrong.

im not arguing anymore, until we know the facts, you shouldnt automatically blame the cop

[RL...]

Even if an unarmed man threatened a cop to kill him, there is still no reason to shoot an unarmed man! They could've stunned him or just put him in handcuffs. Hard to believe that 2 fat ass cops couldn't restrain 1 150lb guy if they tried. Like I said. Lethal force should not have cone onto play here.

[Vteckidd]

easy for you to say you werent there.

Ok how about this scenario since no one brought it up. What if matt went for the officers gun.......they dont have time to taser someone when there is an imminent threat.

UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU CANNOT ASSUME. There is no law that says you cant shoot and "unarmed man".

Ok so we shouldnt have shot Bin Laden then, since he was "unarmed''

Deadly force can be used as a last resort if the officer felt his life or a fellow officers life IS IN DANGER. Since we dont know what caused the fight, or caused him to pull his gun, we dont know what the "imminent life threatening" situation was, OR EVEN IF THERE WAS ONE.

[SLOWR/T]

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE!! QUIT ASSUMING!!!!!! Everyone is assuming in here....yes EVERYONE. Assuming that cops follow protocol (lol yeah right) and are in the right or at least defending them and everyone else saying the cops to blame. The facts of the case are Matt's dead because he was shot by a cop. Why? Thats fuzzy at the monment but the truth or a well planned out lie will come out in the future. That is about the only fact that you can go on right now. The cops story that I read doesn't match the witnesses story so we will have to wait for an official report to come out. In the mean time lets stop the assuming and arguing and just post are wishes for the family.

[Got Milk?]

WEll i worked with Cobb Police and i know what there policies are.

I also know that NO FACTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED. The only thing we know for sure is hes dead.

Officers said there was a struggle and he reached for a weapon, King said he "didnt see the struggle". So they cancel each other out.

Youre ASSUMING something is wrong because they havent released the report yet, you dont know why.

SO again, i would hesitate to say there is any wrong doing on either side until the facts come out.

NONE OF US WERE THERE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. If it comes out the cop acted out of line, he deserves to get punished and the county pay damages. Wont bring Matt back but it is what it is.

If it comes out Matt was in the wrong, then all you guys saying "fuck the police" better apologize.

Im sorry i find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that a cop pulled the car over, got his information, asked him to step out of the car, got in a fight with him for NO REASON, then pulled a gun and shot him 5-6 times.

Im sorry that just DOESNT happen.

I guess a police officer wouldnt just pull a gun an shoot a suspect in the head while he is face down on the floor with other 3 officers holding him down?


Well that happened also.


Here is what im talking about, watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHjhtYZpX0

The cop basically stood up, got his gun out, and shot the victim in the head.

[Vteckidd]

oh so i guess that happens everyday now.

All im saying is before ALL OF YOU demagogue the police officer, why dont you wait till ALL THE FACTS COME OUT.

[whoaitzbrain]

Sad sad sad...whatever the case maybe

[RL...]

easy for you to say you werent there.

Ok how about this scenario since no one brought it up. What if matt went for the officers gun.......they dont have time to taser someone when there is an imminent threat.

UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU CANNOT ASSUME. There is no law that says you cant shoot and "unarmed man".

Ok so we shouldnt have shot Bin Laden then, since he was "unarmed''

Deadly force can be used as a last resort if the officer felt his life or a fellow officers life IS IN DANGER. Since we dont know what caused the fight, or caused him to pull his gun, we dont know what the "imminent life threatening" situation was, OR EVEN IF THERE WAS ONE.

The scenario's you're making up are less probable than mine, especially considering how nice of a guy he was. Sure we can discuss "what ifs" all day but that doesn't change the fact that the cops used excessive force without cause. Going by everyone's description of Matt, he was a nice guy who has worked with the police and support them. Would this kind of guy reach for a cops gun and try to kill them? I seriously doubt that. 2+2=4

[[3000gt20s]]

wow!!! this is a horrible situation. lets just say that matt did reach for a gun ( allegedly!!!!!) if the officer was trying to prevent that from happenning he could have shot him in the leg or at least immobalized him. but 5-6 shots is a bit too much for some one who is sitting in his car... especially shot from point black range.... RIP to matt and condolences to his family.... definetely more facts needed

[JessAlba452]

My condolences go out to Matt's family and friends. This is just terrible

[Browning151]

First of all, condolences to the family and friends.

Secondly, wow at all the conjecture in this thread, on both sides of the argument. Police are not always in the right, and suspects are not always as described by family and friends, keep both of those in mind. Ultimately, there are very few facts in play right now and everyone placing blame one way or the other is doing nothing more than speculating. Before anyone condemns the officer or the suspect, keep in mind that officers regularly have to deal people of questionable character with very little knowledge of who they are or their current state (sober, under the influence of drugs/alcohol or otherwise) which keeps them on high alert, and also keep in mind that someone who feels that they are in danger may react out of character, regardless of the situation. I will reserve judgment until more facts are available, but this is a terrible loss for his friends and family.

[whoaitzbrain]

fuck anyone defending Cobb county police. ..this man was shot over some bullshit! ! It could have easily been you..me or anyone....this is some crazy shit !!!! Imagine the last thoughts of your life saying to yourself.."why is this guy shooting me" what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A real cop would have handled the situation accordingly. ..this is pure Democratic insanity!!!

[DeeAOne]

This is sad to see..RIP.

Makes you think that could have been any of us. That cop used way more force than neccessary. I reached under my seat for registration once and scared the shit out of the officer. Could have easially happened to me. Scary..

Once again RIP man.

[Got Milk?]

Saddest part to this, as already stated, that Matts last words were "why are you shooting at me".

[RUFFIAN]

I'm to the Point that I REALLY hate over-zealous cops. I have been praying for Matt's Family and for them to get the justice that they deserve.

[cactusEG]

The guy didn't deserve to die. RIP. I hope that cop does time for his actions.

[Vteckidd]

Still no police report?

[Echonova]

http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story...ts_left_column

MABLETON - Cobb Police now say only two rounds were fired at driver Matt Murdock, who was shot and killed by a police officer on May 19. Scott King, owner of the auto repair shop that Murdock was leaving before he was killed by a Cobb Police officer May 19, initially said he heard five to six shots, but now says he heard only two.

King said he was still shaken by Murdock's death when he first spoke to the Journal.

"I'm sorry. I was very upset. ... Matt was (a) good friend," King said.

Murdock was killed in a traffic stop involving two Cobb Police officers and a Cobb Sheriff's deputy at 11:25 p.m. May 19. According to police, a sheriff's deputy believed Murdock had a weapon in the car and physically engaged him. At that point, a Cobb Police officer arrived, saw the struggle and fired two shots at Murdock, Cobb Police Sgt. Dana Pierce said.

Murdock was taken by ambulance to Atlanta Medical Center and died at 2:06 a.m. May 20, Pierce said.

The shooting remains under investigation by Cobb Police, which could take many months. Police have not named the officer who fired the shots.

Still, King maintains Murdock was not given an opportunity to surrender.

"They didn't give him a chance," King said. "They yelled at him and shot him. It all took two seconds."

[slow_hatch]

So it went from 6 to 2 shots.... Wonder what else he might be exaggerating?? Everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions///

[Slow Motion]

I almost cried. I hate seeing things like this happen to people. I know a guy who was killed like this. He was a honor student, volunteer, and no run in's with the law, and he had no weapon but an inhaler they thought was pepper spray.

[Vteckidd]

OH LOOK, SOMEONE EXAGGERATED AND JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS.

I love it when im right.

[1civic]

I almost cried. I hate seeing things like this happen to people. I know a guy who was killed like this. He was a honor student, volunteer, and no run in's with the law, and he had no weapon but an inhaler they thought was pepper spray.

Where did you come up with the inhaler story? He had a license to carry a gun right? Was it on him that night? I know Cobb police are hot-heads, and this cop was reported before.. Something is missing!!

[eraser4g63]

OH LOOK, SOMEONE EXAGGERATED AND JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS.

I love it when im right.

Dude, CCPD is crooked as fuck. I have worked closely with multiple Police depts. And on the list for the most bass akwards in the metro area is Fulton County S.O., A.P.D, and CCPD to give them any spec of credit is ridiculous. I personally have been drug from a car by my neck because he thought it was stolen, placed in handcuffs and detained for over an hour until he figured out what he had done. I'm sorry but I am inclined to believe they over reacted and honestly its not the first time that CCPD has hauled off and shot someone later to cover it up ( I had to talk to Homicide multiple times about it).