v8's still suck...gas mileage sucks...no power for how big they are...4.6...mustangs had what 246 stock..2.4 had 201 stock...hrm sounds like someone was sleeping at the numbers desk. we know your jealous of the vtec and i cant blame you why wouldnt you be...styling rules the honda over box body and whens the last time you reved to 9k with your feet out the window screamin you aint got these on!