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[David88vert]

Like I said, a 50HP race car and a 800HP race car are both race cars. There is no better way to showcase a new car than racing it. Mazda and Honda have both announced a new series with Fits and Mazda 2s, I guess those aren't real race cars either.

There is nothing wrong with Neons, not any other limited series racing; however, you cannot say that a street car with a couple of bolt on suspension pieces is suddenly a racecar, because it was put on at the factory. You turn around and call all the people that do the same thing aftermarket ricers. That's nothing but trying to boost your own ego. The ACR was available with A/C, not something most racecars have.

A 150 hp street car is nothing like an 800hp engineered racecar. If you think they are, you haven't driven a race car.

Modern cars that top out at 115-120mph, and no different from their street counterparts, are not racecars to me. Just because you take a car on a track does not turn it into a racecar. Just like if you take a tube chassis car, and put lights and a tag on it, doesn't make it a street car.

[Elbow]

There is nothing wrong with Neons, not any other limited series racing; however, you cannot say that a street car with a couple of bolt on suspension pieces is suddenly a racecar, because it was put on at the factory. You turn around and call all the people that do the same thing aftermarket ricers. That's nothing but trying to boost your own ego. The ACR was available with A/C, not something most racecars have.

A 150 hp street car is nothing like an 800hp engineered racecar. If you think they are, you haven't driven a race car.

Modern cars that top out at 115-120mph, and no different from their street counterparts, are not racecars to me. Just because you take a car on a track does not turn it into a racecar. Just like if you take a tube chassis car, and put lights and a tag on it, doesn't make it a street car.

Well we're going to just have to disagree then. What I get from what you're saying is that a car modified to be a race car isn't a race car. In this case, the ACR Neon was modified to a start to be a race car. I'm saying this particular car, started life from the dealer, went to get a cage, and has raced sense. The fact that it has road racing logbooks and what not makes it a race car, simple as that.

I've driven purpose built race cars and of course there is a difference. I'm saying though to me a race car is a race car. If it can legally compete in a wheel to wheel race then it is a race car. It doesn't matter if it goes 10mph, it's still a race car. I am very open minded when it comes to my definition of a race car and I've seen just about any type of car you can think of racing, maybe that's why I disagree what what you're saying.

Who have I called a ricer? The 240 guy just to piss him off. Like I said though, if I bought a Civic, put a full cage, fire system, seat, harness, etc. Chose a class, did some work, got a logbook for it, then yes, it very well IS a race car. The only reason I keep saying is the ACR wasn't a street car or was built to be a race car is that it WAS, I didn't buy an ACR and turn it into a race car. I'm speaking of my car in this situation.

As for the A/C thing, I don't know what the ACR could or couldn't come with, like I said I don't know much about Neons, I bought it because it was ready to race, not because I like Neons. lol I do know this one doesn't have A/C though. I also know most race cars these days in larger series DO have A/C, just not the factory installed type.

If you have a Showroom Stock ACR which is a basically stock car and it turns the same laps as a street ACR, the SS ACR is still a race car. Why? It's legal to race. THAT is my definition of what a race car is, if it races, it's a race car.

[David88vert]

Well we're going to just have to disagree then. What I get from what you're saying is that a car modified to be a race car isn't a race car. In this case, the ACR Neon was modified to a start to be a race car. I'm saying this particular car, started life from the dealer, went to get a cage, and has raced sense. The fact that it has road racing logbooks and what not makes it a race car, simple as that.

I've driven purpose built race cars and of course there is a difference. I'm saying though to me a race car is a race car. If it can legally compete in a wheel to wheel race then it is a race car. It doesn't matter if it goes 10mph, it's still a race car. I am very open minded when it comes to my definition of a race car and I've seen just about any type of car you can think of racing, maybe that's why I disagree what what you're saying.

Who have I called a ricer? The 240 guy just to piss him off. Like I said though, if I bought a Civic, put a full cage, fire system, seat, harness, etc. Chose a class, did some work, got a logbook for it, then yes, it very well IS a race car. The only reason I keep saying is the ACR wasn't a street car or was built to be a race car is that it WAS, I didn't buy an ACR and turn it into a race car. I'm speaking of my car in this situation.

As for the A/C thing, I don't know what the ACR could or couldn't come with, like I said I don't know much about Neons, I bought it because it was ready to race, not because I like Neons. lol I do know this one doesn't have A/C though. I also know most race cars these days in larger series DO have A/C, just not the factory installed type.

If you have a Showroom Stock ACR which is a basically stock car and it turns the same laps as a street ACR, the SS ACR is still a race car. Why? It's legal to race. THAT is my definition of what a race car is, if it races, it's a race car.

We definitely disagree, as that definition puts every street car that ever rolled off the line as a racecar, if it runs just once.
By that definition, any car that is on track in a race - even just once - is a race car. Basically, a bonestock VW diesel that enters a bracket race on Saturday afternoon at Commerce, is still a race car. Even though it would do 22-23 seconds.
Any stock Kia that is entered in a track day event that participates in a lunch time race would be a racecar.
A lawnmower could be considered a race car if it was on a track even - and only doing your 10mph.

To me, those are just street cars that are being enjoyed, but not race cars. As an example, my old RX7 (GSL-SE, not the FD) was caged, built suspension, motor, etc, and I did not consider it to be a racecar. It was just a street car that saw some occasional track time.

Ultimately, as long as you enjoy the car, that is all that matters though. If you want to consider it to be a racecar, that is up to you.

[quickdodge®]

There is nothing wrong with Neons, not any other limited series racing; however, you cannot say that a street car with a couple of bolt on suspension pieces is suddenly a racecar, because it was put on at the factory. You turn around and call all the people that do the same thing aftermarket ricers. That's nothing but trying to boost your own ego. The ACR was available with A/C, not something most racecars have.

The ACR did come with adjustable Koni shocks. It did NOT come with AC. AC was an option, like on another car. The ACR was designed and built to be a track car that could be driven daily as well. Even the radio was an option in the ACR model. Later, QD.