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Its a stock Neon. Technically, any car you enter in a race is a racecar, but lets be realistic - that car is a stock Neon, with some stickers.
There are two class for almost 30 showroom stock production vehicles, so technically, lots of stock cars can be "racecars" using those terms.
The STU (World Challenge Touring Car based) target performance is 250 hp - how are you even mid-pack in that class? Unless you added FI to the car, it doesn't seem like it would be even close to running mid-pack.
I could see you running in Showroom Stock C as long as your car is not older than 12 years old, or H Production if it is older than 12 years.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Sick burn.
It's not stock, it's modified beyond its Showroom Stock days.
If every car was 250HP that ran STU then you're right it wouldn't be mid pack. Did I say mid pack in STU though or ITA? H Production requires a lot more modification, more than STU in fact, so that makes no sense. Why are you leaving out Improved Touring which Neons do very well in? It can't run SSC anymore, it's a 97 and like I said, I'd have to put it back stock and that would be a waste of time.
Either way, a 10HP race car is a race car just as much as a 850HP car is a race car. It was built with one purpose and that is to race.
I don't get why this is such a problem to you all? I bought it because I got a KILLER deal on it, it's exactly what I was looking for to fit my wallet, it's a blast to drive, and it's CHEAP to fix, a whole other Neon is what $400? lol I'm not bragging that I own a race car, obviously it's not as cool as a GT car or something, obviously it's not as fast, obviously it's not as die hard. If I wanted to impress I sure as hell wouldn't buy a Neon. It's what I want. Plus it's not the only car I can drive either, but there is a plus in owning a race car versus renting.
How the fuck did this thread get to 15 pages shesh!
Adjust your settings n00b. I'm on page 8.
WUT?
BeCaUsE tWo-40'S aRe CoOl BrO!
Bozzio for president.
When I open my mouth on IA I usually provide success.
when you make a hobby out of being a dick and annoying people, it comes back on you. In this case.... you're a pretty easy target since you drive one of the biggest pieces of shit on this entire site.
I agree there's nothing special about Neons, but ACRs deserve some respect, not because I own one or anything like that, but Dodge gets kudos in my book for caring outside of the box (NASCAR). I also disagree my car is one of the biggest pieces of shit on the site, it's a very well rounded car that is fun to drive. It's all brand new except for the body and paint. lol
Either way though, think what you want, it doesn't bother me. I can't make anyone like something they don't and nobody can make me feel bad for liking something I do.
hellllzzzzz yeah! cool as the other side of the pillow.
Improved Touring is just a regional class, not a national one.
Your car was not built to be a racecar - it was simply a street car that parts were left out of and marketed to those looking for a cheap way to enter SCCA. and that is fine. Most racecars that start off as street cars are just the same. But the fact remains that your chassis and suspension was not specifically engineered to be a racecar.
There is a big difference between an engineered 850bhp race car and a street car that has changed its intake, exhaust, coilovers, and brake pads - and still doesn't make 150rwhp. The cars in ITA appear to be either Neons, or 20 year old 100bhp cars. Of course, if you are running against a 25 year old 2002/RX7/Civic/etc with only 2/3s the hp that you have, you will have the advantage. If you are only running mid-pack with them, you are simply out doing a track day.
Now, I understand it is fun, and you like the car, that is fine. But you have been saying that a 240 with 400hp is rice, and a poor car, when in reality, the 240 appears to have a lot more going for it than a pretty much stock Neon. With an equal driver, it will lay down better laptimes on RA than your racecar will.
And yes, you can race a Neon for a lot less than renting a racecar. I understand that, and agree that it is a good starter platform for SCCA racing. I'm not saying that it is a bad car. I just don't see where you have the grounds to be dogging on another person's car like you have been.
Now, if you just don't like the driver, that's a different story.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Actually, the Neon was designed by Chrysler to be a track car. The design team was approached to create a vehicle that could compete in a road course race scenario. Hence why the car was "cheaply" made. The all plastic interior that just snaps off, the rarely any power options and in the case of the ACR, race ready components. It was the best performing car in it's class for several years....and this included the highly coveted (<---- I made a funny) Honda Civic of the same years. Later, QD.
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this thread is a blast. bunch of girls arguing whose car is shittier? give me a break.
It's a battle of wits that nobody will win......welcome to IA.
well going by your sig I think you take the cake on whose car is shittier!
Hella stock member!
good one bro!
I am not your Bro. so dont ever refer to me as your "bro" again. thank you and have a nice day!
Hella stock member!
k bro...
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me mad no lol. I just dont associate my self with people such as yourself.
Hella stock member!
you need to become more social then. its good for you.
I'm not trying to be mean or offending, but is the car in your sig really your car or is it a joke pic? I'm honestly just asking. Later, QD.
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Im hopeing this pic is from 1998.
Hella stock member!
Kinda reminds me of a civic hatchback I saw the other day up in Gwinnett....it was hella wide body in the back. Twas ugly.
honestly its my car.. bought it as a shell with that shitty body kit on it as u can see i have a post in the WTB section for oem bumpers... but yes that piece of shit looking car is mine. but hey i havent been spending time on making my car look good. internal over external. to each his own though
Like I said, I'm just asking. And to each is own is forever true. Later, QD.
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We had better taste than that in '98. Not much better, but hey...
^^ At least it's a better title name...
Thanks, IA. My vagina feels much better now.
For sinfix and simmon,sinfix why don't you two go at it on two different tracks get your 240 prepared for what simmon likes to do(road racing) see who comes out on top,then go to the 1/4 miles track and see who comes out on top..
And if you all are not satisfied with the outcome, we will go back to the drawing board..you all may not care about this post at all, just throwing it out there haha
Thanks for clearing that up, it was driving me crazy lol... A car can only be rice or riced out, the person ruining the car is the ricer!
Actually, according to Chrysler, it was designed to be an internationally sold compact FWD, and reintroduce the Chrysler name to Australia, where they had not sold any cars since '81. It was a replacement to the Duster and Sundance also in North America. We all know that compacts are designed to be cheap, and the pencil pushers look to limit costs in the whole process. That's not how you design a racecar.
They couldn't sell enough cars to SCCA member to warrant designing different geometry for a car for track use. How many ACRs do you think they sold in the 1st gens? Not enough to warrant production of a coplete line of cars, for certain.
It was the best performing car in a limited, controlled class - but that was done with factory bolt-ons, like suspension, and different transmission ratios. The interior for all of the Dodges back then were cheap plastic clip-on interiors. I've taken out lots of them.
There is nothing wrong with the Neon. I think that it is more impressive that as a true street car, it clearly outclassed its competitors in performance, but the truth is that the ACR was really a base Neon without the sound deadening, ABS, etc, and a slightly upgraded suspension/brake setup. The chassis was still a street car, not a engineered race car.
Even more impressive is that it absolutely demolished its competition in bang for the buck with more horsepower than any of its rivals - by a good bit. Granted, they copied Mitsu's motor, but it worked.
The real question is why is Simon berating a 240 when it outperforms his own car at his own type of racing?
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I know IT is regional, what does that matter? I never said I preferred to run national over regional. STU is also a way for IT cars to run at national events. There were actually quite a few ITA cars running STU at the Runoffs this year.
The ACR was built to be a race car. There is a reason it came stock with race suspension and the first ones released you had to be an SCCA member to buy one. The ACR is an icon in the road racing world, it pissed a lot of people off in its time.
As for IT being slow, that's not true at all. An ITA Miata ran a 1:40 at this past ARRC at Road Atlanta. ITA is a very competitive class, it's also not a bunch of old cars running. ITA consits of ACR Neons, GSRs, Miatas, Civic SIs, SE-R Sentras and NX2000, etc. Like I said, a 1:40 is not slow.
Like I said, the 240 owner came in here when and completely acted a dick. For no reason and accused me of claiming things that I don't. I've complimented his car before, it doesn't even look bad, but he came in here being clueless. As for him around the track and I, you seem pretty sure he can out run me, I highly doubt it. He doesn't do road course events and HP isn't all that matters, the only place HP matters at Road Atlanta is the back straight and front straight, which both are long yeah and a good driver in a fast car easily gets by, but.....
Who has a faster car has not been the discussion of this thread. lol He would rape me at a drag strip. Nobody can argue that.
Yeah, the actual chassis wasn't any different. It came stock with adjustable Konis and what not though and other Mopar options. This car isn't just a stock ACR either though. The point is it was built to run SCCA SS racing and to win, which it did. Dodge even made the "Neon Challenge" series which was a semi-pro series that ran at pro events as a support series with factory Dodge support. This car also raced in that very competitively. The car has a shit load of history and that's another reason I was happy to buy it.
Like I said, a 50HP race car and a 800HP race car are both race cars. There is no better way to showcase a new car than racing it. Mazda and Honda have both announced a new series with Fits and Mazda 2s, I guess those aren't real race cars either.
This thread is making my 4 day weekend go too fast. Ima go do stuff and ball outta control for a while.
BBL.
When it was originally released, it came with non-adjustables - basically an upgraded shock. Just add bigger swaybars, and that makes a racecar? If that's the case, then 90% of these ricers that you have been campaigning against have racecars on the street also. Like I said, I have nothing against the car, but was merely pointing out that it is not any better than a 240.
I think that you have now clarifed that you just don't like the owner of THAT car. You made a lot of derogatory comments about the car earlier, when you should have targetted the person that you didn't like.
Let me be clear - his car and your car - with equal drivers - his should be faster around the track. It is very easy for prep his car for a road course, so you cannot assume that it would come out on drag springs, slicks and skinnies, etc.
Now, to be clear, I do not know either of your skill levels, and I would assume (again my assumption only), that you would be faster around most tracks, with more seat time. However, a driver who does not hold the same track speed could utilize the additional power to slow you down to their lap times by parking you. I'm not saying that Sinfix could do it, but there are a lot of drivers who could. Now a small track, there would be very little question to it, as the Neon would excel at slower speeds with tight corners.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
All I'm saying is the ACR came out to be a race car, it performed VERY well on skid pad tests and what not, it wasn't just different sway bars either. In my opinion a stock ACR is 20x better than a stock 240. The 240 wasn't made to be a performance car, Neons at least had it in mind. I've driven a CRAP LOAD of 240s and they can handle well yes, but they don't feel solid and I've yet to of been passed by one at the track, SR and all. The point is my car is a race car, whether you consider a car that isn't tube framed or built to shit to be or not, it's a race car. It was never a street car.
With equal drivers you're right, his probably would be faster around a fast track. However there aren't equal drivers and we're discussing real world situations even though it's pointless. I don't really care who has a faster car. Everyone was just getting mad that I said my car is a race car because it doesn't have a crap load of HP. This isn't drag racing where there is some sort of violent bench racing, I enjoy what I do, I don't care if this car wins, it's purely fun.
There is nothing wrong with Neons, not any other limited series racing; however, you cannot say that a street car with a couple of bolt on suspension pieces is suddenly a racecar, because it was put on at the factory. You turn around and call all the people that do the same thing aftermarket ricers. That's nothing but trying to boost your own ego. The ACR was available with A/C, not something most racecars have.
A 150 hp street car is nothing like an 800hp engineered racecar. If you think they are, you haven't driven a race car.
Modern cars that top out at 115-120mph, and no different from their street counterparts, are not racecars to me. Just because you take a car on a track does not turn it into a racecar. Just like if you take a tube chassis car, and put lights and a tag on it, doesn't make it a street car.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
let me turn mine into a racecar. jk.
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