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[iamdallas]

^^ At least it's a better title name...

Thanks, IA. My vagina feels much better now.

[badassf4i]

For sinfix and simmon,sinfix why don't you two go at it on two different tracks get your 240 prepared for what simmon likes to do(road racing) see who comes out on top,then go to the 1/4 miles track and see who comes out on top..
And if you all are not satisfied with the outcome, we will go back to the drawing board..you all may not care about this post at all, just throwing it out there haha

[Elbow]

Improved Touring is just a regional class, not a national one.
Your car was not built to be a racecar - it was simply a street car that parts were left out of and marketed to those looking for a cheap way to enter SCCA. and that is fine. Most racecars that start off as street cars are just the same. But the fact remains that your chassis and suspension was not specifically engineered to be a racecar.
There is a big difference between an engineered 850bhp race car and a street car that has changed its intake, exhaust, coilovers, and brake pads - and still doesn't make 150rwhp. The cars in ITA appear to be either Neons, or 20 year old 100bhp cars. Of course, if you are running against a 25 year old 2002/RX7/Civic/etc with only 2/3s the hp that you have, you will have the advantage. If you are only running mid-pack with them, you are simply out doing a track day.
Now, I understand it is fun, and you like the car, that is fine. But you have been saying that a 240 with 400hp is rice, and a poor car, when in reality, the 240 appears to have a lot more going for it than a pretty much stock Neon. With an equal driver, it will lay down better laptimes on RA than your racecar will.
And yes, you can race a Neon for a lot less than renting a racecar. I understand that, and agree that it is a good starter platform for SCCA racing. I'm not saying that it is a bad car. I just don't see where you have the grounds to be dogging on another person's car like you have been.
Now, if you just don't like the driver, that's a different story.

I know IT is regional, what does that matter? I never said I preferred to run national over regional. STU is also a way for IT cars to run at national events. There were actually quite a few ITA cars running STU at the Runoffs this year.

The ACR was built to be a race car. There is a reason it came stock with race suspension and the first ones released you had to be an SCCA member to buy one. The ACR is an icon in the road racing world, it pissed a lot of people off in its time.

As for IT being slow, that's not true at all. An ITA Miata ran a 1:40 at this past ARRC at Road Atlanta. ITA is a very competitive class, it's also not a bunch of old cars running. ITA consits of ACR Neons, GSRs, Miatas, Civic SIs, SE-R Sentras and NX2000, etc. Like I said, a 1:40 is not slow.

Like I said, the 240 owner came in here when and completely acted a dick. For no reason and accused me of claiming things that I don't. I've complimented his car before, it doesn't even look bad, but he came in here being clueless. As for him around the track and I, you seem pretty sure he can out run me, I highly doubt it. He doesn't do road course events and HP isn't all that matters, the only place HP matters at Road Atlanta is the back straight and front straight, which both are long yeah and a good driver in a fast car easily gets by, but.....

For sinfix and simmon,sinfix why don't you two go at it on two different tracks get your 240 prepared for what simmon likes to do(road racing) see who comes out on top,then go to the 1/4 miles track and see who comes out on top..
And if you all are not satisfied with the outcome, we will go back to the drawing board..you all may not care about this post at all, just throwing it out there haha

Who has a faster car has not been the discussion of this thread. lol He would rape me at a drag strip. Nobody can argue that.

[David88vert]

I know IT is regional, what does that matter? I never said I preferred to run national over regional. STU is also a way for IT cars to run at national events. There were actually quite a few ITA cars running STU at the Runoffs this year.

The ACR was built to be a race car. There is a reason it came stock with race suspension and the first ones released you had to be an SCCA member to buy one. The ACR is an icon in the road racing world, it pissed a lot of people off in its time.

As for IT being slow, that's not true at all. An ITA Miata ran a 1:40 at this past ARRC at Road Atlanta. ITA is a very competitive class, it's also not a bunch of old cars running. ITA consits of ACR Neons, GSRs, Miatas, Civic SIs, SE-R Sentras and NX2000, etc. Like I said, a 1:40 is not slow.

Like I said, the 240 owner came in here when and completely acted a dick. For no reason and accused me of claiming things that I don't. I've complimented his car before, it doesn't even look bad, but he came in here being clueless. As for him around the track and I, you seem pretty sure he can out run me, I highly doubt it. He doesn't do road course events and HP isn't all that matters, the only place HP matters at Road Atlanta is the back straight and front straight, which both are long yeah and a good driver in a fast car easily gets by, but.....

Who has a faster car has not been the discussion of this thread. lol He would rape me at a drag strip. Nobody can argue that.

When it was originally released, it came with non-adjustables - basically an upgraded shock. Just add bigger swaybars, and that makes a racecar? If that's the case, then 90% of these ricers that you have been campaigning against have racecars on the street also. Like I said, I have nothing against the car, but was merely pointing out that it is not any better than a 240.

I think that you have now clarifed that you just don't like the owner of THAT car. You made a lot of derogatory comments about the car earlier, when you should have targetted the person that you didn't like.

Let me be clear - his car and your car - with equal drivers - his should be faster around the track. It is very easy for prep his car for a road course, so you cannot assume that it would come out on drag springs, slicks and skinnies, etc.

Now, to be clear, I do not know either of your skill levels, and I would assume (again my assumption only), that you would be faster around most tracks, with more seat time. However, a driver who does not hold the same track speed could utilize the additional power to slow you down to their lap times by parking you. I'm not saying that Sinfix could do it, but there are a lot of drivers who could. Now a small track, there would be very little question to it, as the Neon would excel at slower speeds with tight corners.

[Elbow]

When it was originally released, it came with non-adjustables - basically an upgraded shock. Just add bigger swaybars, and that makes a racecar? If that's the case, then 90% of these ricers that you have been campaigning against have racecars on the street also. Like I said, I have nothing against the car, but was merely pointing out that it is not any better than a 240.

I think that you have now clarifed that you just don't like the owner of THAT car. You made a lot of derogatory comments about the car earlier, when you should have targetted the person that you didn't like.

Let me be clear - his car and your car - with equal drivers - his should be faster around the track. It is very easy for prep his car for a road course, so you cannot assume that it would come out on drag springs, slicks and skinnies, etc.

Now, to be clear, I do not know either of your skill levels, and I would assume (again my assumption only), that you would be faster around most tracks, with more seat time. However, a driver who does not hold the same track speed could utilize the additional power to slow you down to their lap times by parking you. I'm not saying that Sinfix could do it, but there are a lot of drivers who could. Now a small track, there would be very little question to it, as the Neon would excel at slower speeds with tight corners.

All I'm saying is the ACR came out to be a race car, it performed VERY well on skid pad tests and what not, it wasn't just different sway bars either. In my opinion a stock ACR is 20x better than a stock 240. The 240 wasn't made to be a performance car, Neons at least had it in mind. I've driven a CRAP LOAD of 240s and they can handle well yes, but they don't feel solid and I've yet to of been passed by one at the track, SR and all. The point is my car is a race car, whether you consider a car that isn't tube framed or built to shit to be or not, it's a race car. It was never a street car.

With equal drivers you're right, his probably would be faster around a fast track. However there aren't equal drivers and we're discussing real world situations even though it's pointless. I don't really care who has a faster car. Everyone was just getting mad that I said my car is a race car because it doesn't have a crap load of HP. This isn't drag racing where there is some sort of violent bench racing, I enjoy what I do, I don't care if this car wins, it's purely fun.

[280zx 2by2]

In my opinion a stock ACR is 20x better than a stock 240. The 240 wasn't made to be a performance.

Move along here people, there is no saving this man...





Anyone who thinks a pos neon with slightly stiffer suspension is more of a racecar than a rwd coupe with a fully independent suspension and had several models come equiped with a viscous differential in an IRS rear end is beyond being saved from the level of fanboyism Simon Tubby exudes.

[Elbow]

Move along here people, there is no saving this man...





Anyone who thinks a pos neon with slightly stiffer suspension is more of a racecar than a rwd coupe with a fully independent suspension and had several models come equiped with a viscous differential in an IRS rear end is beyond being saved from the level of fanboyism Simon Tubby exudes.

Wow...I hope you read what you just wrote and edit it because you just made yourself look stupid as shit.

[Sinfix_15]

All I'm saying is the ACR came out to be a race car, it performed VERY well on skid pad tests and what not, it wasn't just different sway bars either. In my opinion a stock ACR is 20x better than a stock 240. The 240 wasn't made to be a performance car, Neons at least had it in mind. I've driven a CRAP LOAD of 240s and they can handle well yes, but they don't feel solid and I've yet to of been passed by one at the track, SR and all. The point is my car is a race car, whether you consider a car that isn't tube framed or built to shit to be or not, it's a race car. It was never a street car.

With equal drivers you're right, his probably would be faster around a fast track. However there aren't equal drivers and we're discussing real world situations even though it's pointless. I don't really care who has a faster car. Everyone was just getting mad that I said my car is a race car because it doesn't have a crap load of HP. This isn't drag racing where there is some sort of violent bench racing, I enjoy what I do, I don't care if this car wins, it's purely fun.

240s are RWD with IRS, factory coilovers and interchange parts with the skyline becuase they were NOT built with performance in mind. Neons though......................

pretty clear Nissan never imagined a 240sx taking a turn above the speed limit. That's why they come with 7 cup holders and an extra grocery compartment. Wonder what the engineer had in mind when they did this

[Elbow]

240s are RWD with IRS, factory coilovers and interchange parts with the skyline becuase they were NOT built with performance in mind. Neons though......................

Neons though are one of the fastest cars on the street. Not many cars can beat one stock.