Vagina hurting? Vent in here.

[DA9_Vito]

Huh? Drag racing is harder than autocross? lol

no i was sayin id like to do autocross. but i like drag racing better.... i was saying the turning part aint hard in racing like some think it is.... not you.

[iamdallas]

Cars first were first built as luxury transportation and then raced. For me, the history of automobile racing says that you can buy a car from the factory and race it. And so, it becomes a racing car.

And what about Touring Car races? They're not race cars? They're production cars with bolt ons (in some cases) and they're racing around a track... so what does that make them?

There are even showroom stock classes that run stock cars of the same make. Purpose built race cars are definitely more impressive, but they're not the only race car.

I think the definition of a race car depends on whether or not you ACTUALLY REGULARLY use it as a racing vehicle. I think if a purpose built race car were left in a showroom or a museum it's entire life it kind of negates the fact that it is honestly a race car. But that's hard to distinguish and I really don't want to piss anyone off.

How a car is primarily used defines what it is.

Just respectfully disagreeing with you, david88vert. You've got some good points that I do agree with though.

[Elbow]

We definitely disagree, as that definition puts every street car that ever rolled off the line as a racecar, if it runs just once.
By that definition, any car that is on track in a race - even just once - is a race car. Basically, a bonestock VW diesel that enters a bracket race on Saturday afternoon at Commerce, is still a race car. Even though it would do 22-23 seconds.
Any stock Kia that is entered in a track day event that participates in a lunch time race would be a racecar.
A lawnmower could be considered a race car if it was on a track even - and only doing your 10mph.

To me, those are just street cars that are being enjoyed, but not race cars. As an example, my old RX7 (GSL-SE, not the FD) was caged, built suspension, motor, etc, and I did not consider it to be a racecar. It was just a street car that saw some occasional track time.

Ultimately, as long as you enjoy the car, that is all that matters though. If you want to consider it to be a racecar, that is up to you.

Drag racing and road racing...HUGE difference. I'm ONLY talking about road course cars. Did your RX-7 have a logbook? If not, then of course it wasn't a race car. Time trials is not racing. I'm talking about RACING, wheel to wheel racing, not against the clock. As those are all competitive forms of motorsport, there is a difference there. Just about anyone can bring anything and do drag racing or time trials.

The difference in your RX-7 and my car is that my car was built to be a race car, that was its sole purpose in life, nothing more. It has everything needed to race, it's been raced, that's all there is to it.

[David88vert]

Drag racing and road racing...HUGE difference. I'm ONLY talking about road course cars. Did your RX-7 have a logbook? If not, then of course it wasn't a race car. Time trials is not racing. I'm talking about RACING, wheel to wheel racing, not against the clock. As those are all competitive forms of motorsport, there is a difference there. Just about anyone can bring anything and do drag racing or time trials.

The difference in your RX-7 and my car is that my car was built to be a race car, that was its sole purpose in life, nothing more. It has everything needed to race, it's been raced, that's all there is to it.

So drag racing, and time trials aren't racing? So the cars used for them aren't racecars? Your stock Neon is more of a racecar that a Pikes Peaks hillclimber?
I guess that my old tube chassis, sheet metal body, dirt tracker wasn't a race car, as we didn't keep a log book, and it wasn't on a paved road course - even though I ran it door-todoor multiple seasons on the track when I was younger than you are now. Granted, it looked way worse than your Neon, and didn't turn except with the throttle.

[Bacon]

I would slightly disagree with time trials not being a form of racing. Directly....no it's not in the fact that you are racing against a clock, an inanimate object that can't compete against you. Indirectly, in the sense, that you are trying to keep a better time than someone else therefore making it a "race". The terms "race" and "racing" are used loosely and can mean several things. IMO, if you are using a car in a competitive sport against another individual, yourself, or a machine....it is considered "racing".

Bottom line: Simon's car was built with a purpose in mind and that was to be a track car. I will assume that Sinfix's 240 was built as an all around good vehicle that can serve several functions.

[Elbow]

I would slightly disagree with time trials not being a form of racing. Directly....no it's not in the fact that you are racing against a clock, an inanimate object that can't compete against you. Indirectly, in the sense, that you are trying to keep a better time than someone else therefore making it a "race". The terms "race" and "racing" are used loosely and can mean several things. IMO, if you are using a car in a competitive sport against another individual, yourself, or a machine....it is considered "racing".

Bottom line: Simon's car was built with a purpose in mind and that was to be a track car. I will assume that Sinfix's 240 was built as an all around good vehicle that can serve several functions.

I agree, I mainly meant that a time trials car doesn't usually have to be prepared the same as a road racing car. In my opinion if your car is required to have all of that safety equipment and be scrutinized and be issued a competition logbook than it is a race car. Some time trial events don't even require a roll bar.

[David88vert]

I agree, I mainly meant that a time trials car doesn't usually have to be prepared the same as a road racing car. In my opinion if your car is required to have all of that safety equipment and be scrutinized and be issued a competition logbook than it is a race car. Some time trial events don't even require a roll bar.

I'm going to take my grandmother's old Buick Century, bolt in a cage, and get a log book - then I'll have a racecar!

[David88vert]

I would slightly disagree with time trials not being a form of racing. Directly....no it's not in the fact that you are racing against a clock, an inanimate object that can't compete against you. Indirectly, in the sense, that you are trying to keep a better time than someone else therefore making it a "race". The terms "race" and "racing" are used loosely and can mean several things. IMO, if you are using a car in a competitive sport against another individual, yourself, or a machine....it is considered "racing".

Bottom line: Simon's car was built with a purpose in mind and that was to be a track car. I will assume that Sinfix's 240 was built as an all around good vehicle that can serve several functions.

I completely agree.
And I think both car's serve their purpose.

[Bacon]

IMO, you don't have to have a logbook to say a car is a race car. I can take my mostly stock Integra LS to the drag strip and say it's a race car. Why? Simply because it was used in some sort of competition. To competition officials, they don't see it as a race car because of the lack of preparation that a typical race prepped vehicle has. Everyone sees race cars differently.

[Elbow]

So drag racing, and time trials aren't racing? So the cars used for them aren't racecars? Your stock Neon is more of a racecar that a Pikes Peaks hillclimber?
I guess that my old tube chassis, sheet metal body, dirt tracker wasn't a race car, as we didn't keep a log book, and it wasn't on a paved road course - even though I ran it door-todoor multiple seasons on the track when I was younger than you are now. Granted, it looked way worse than your Neon, and didn't turn except with the throttle.

You really just don't have a clue what I'm saying. Pikes Peak isn't the same as regular time trials either, it requires road race prep.

I'm going to take my grandmother's old Buick Century, bolt in a cage, and get a log book - then I'll have a racecar!

You need a bit more than that but yeah if you did it all it would be a race car.

IMO, you don't have to have a logbook to say a car is a race car. I can take my mostly stock Integra LS to the drag strip and say it's a race car. Why? Simply because it was used in some sort of competition. To competition officials, they don't see it as a race car because of the lack of preparation that a typical race prepped vehicle has. Everyone sees race cars differently.

Well then we will all just disagree. I'm not even talking about drag racing anywhere in here, I have NO interest in drag racing, it's not my thing. I'm mainly talking about car prep. and what it takes to race it on a road course.

[David88vert]

You really just don't have a clue what I'm saying. Pikes Peak isn't the same as regular time trials either, it requires road race prep.
You need a bit more than that but yeah if you did it all it would be a race car.
Well then we will all just disagree. I'm not even talking about drag racing anywhere in here, I have NO interest in drag racing, it's not my thing. I'm mainly talking about car prep. and what it takes to race it on a road course.

My points are that it doesn't have to be road racing to be racing.
Just because you prep a car to run in a class, does not convert it automatically to be a racecar. You can run a street car.
Drag racing takes the same car prep, just based on how fast you are. Your DD is already qualified to drag, as is the Neon. Neither is fast enough for the need for a cage.

[Elbow]

My points are that it doesn't have to be road racing to be racing.
Just because you prep a car to run in a class, does not convert it automatically to be a racecar. You can run a street car.
Drag racing takes the same car prep, just based on how fast you are. Your DD is already qualified to drag, as is the Neon. Neither is fast enough for the need for a cage.

I agree with most. I'm just saying in this case, although I don't even remember what we're arguing about, my car is a race car because it was bought to be a race car, it's been a race car, it's prepped as a race car, etc. Speed doesn't make a race car a race car in MY opinion. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the rest but I'm honestly having a hard time remembering what this is even about. lol

[David88vert]

I agree with most. I'm just saying in this case, although I don't even remember what we're arguing about, my car is a race car because it was bought to be a race car, it's been a race car, it's prepped as a race car, etc. Speed doesn't make a race car a race car in MY opinion. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the rest but I'm honestly having a hard time remembering what this is even about. lol

No problem. We don't have to agree on everything obviously. Its just personal opinions.
My original question was why were you hating on modified 240s when they would outperform a stock ACR. You clarified that it was really just Sinfix that you didn't like.

[lanning]

YOU WANNA SEE A GOD DAMN RACE CAR WATCH THIS SHIT LOL

[Bacon]

I used drag racing as an example. Figured you could have figured that one out.

[Elbow]

I used drag racing as an example. Figured you could have figured that one out.

Well technically if you took it and raced it sure it's a race car I guess, but that wasn't its primary purpose so I wouldn't consider it a race car. If you bought it just to do that with, then it would be a race car. lol In drag racing. I have no clue about drag racing or what's required though.

[Bacon]

Drag racing is simple.....stomp the gas and don't turn lol

[Elbow]

Drag racing is simple.....stomp the gas and don't turn lol

LOL I know HOW it works, I just don't know rules or license requirements, classes, any of that.

[Bacon]

All that doesn't matter. It was an example and we can leave it at that.

[Elbow]

All that doesn't matter. It was an example and we can leave it at that.

Fair enough.

[Bacon]

vitodon, learn to quote.

[DA9_Vito]

well my bad guys i reply my way lol and im not a ricer i got tired of the white paint peeling off so i sprayed it. trust me it aint staying that way. id rather have two different paint colors on my car than a rust spot so stfu and let me do my car my way. they only car that can be called a riced car is the green integra i fuck with him about it all the time and he doesnt care because its HIS CAR not your car. you think we are a bunch of ricers then you should enter your car. hahahaha

[280zx 2by2]

well my bad guys i reply my way lol and im not a ricer i got tired of the white paint peeling off so i sprayed it. trust me it aint staying that way. id rather have two different paint colors on my car than a rust spot so stfu and let me do my car my way. they only car that can be called a riced car is the green integra i fuck with him about it all the time and he doesnt care because its HIS CAR not your car. you think we are a bunch of ricers then you should enter your car. hahahaha

Question... How much more was the white spray paint at autozone than the black spray paint?


Did you use the difference the buy those awesome stickers?

[Elbow]

Question... How much more was the white spray paint at autozone than the black spray paint?


Did you use the difference the buy those awesome stickers?

Question...does your mom know you're tying up the phone line or is she too busy sucking off her probation officer?

[DA9_Vito]

Did you use the difference the buy those awesome stickers?

nope stickers were on the car when i bought it. i like the shocker one the other is jdm as fuck which i havent took off yet and the other is a jjspec sticker...whats wrong with a sticker that supports a shop? and whats bad about the shocker one?

[quickdodge®]

and whats bad about the shocker one?

Did you laugh when you typed that and hope we didn't get the joke? Later, QD.

[DA9_Vito]

Did you laugh when you typed that and hope we didn't get the joke? Later, QD.

no im simply askin him whats wrong that sticker.

[silversol]

well my bad guys i reply my way lol and im not a ricer i got tired of the white paint peeling off so i sprayed it. trust me it aint staying that way. id rather have two different paint colors on my car than a rust spot so stfu and let me do my car my way. they only car that can be called a riced car is the green integra i fuck with him about it all the time and he doesnt care because its HIS CAR not your car. you think we are a bunch of ricers then you should enter your car. hahahaha

" enter my car"? In what? mine has won awards in car shows. My wheels cost and are worth more then your whole car put together. And yea i still think your just a bunch of ricers so move a long kid!

[DA9_Vito]

"My wheels cost and are worth more then your whole car put together.

ok yours cost more than mine and mine more than his. got to be in line somewhere.

[David88vert]

ok yours cost more than mine and mine more than his. got to be in line somewhere.

I'll bump you both back. My R1's wheels cost more than his wheels, and then more that all 4 of those cars added together in your sig. You go to the back of the bus.

[DA9_Vito]

I'll bump you both back. My R1's wheels cost more than his wheels, and then more that all 4 of those cars added together in your sig. You go to the back of the bus.

lol damn good one but hey the wagon guy is in the back of the bus.

[280zx 2by2]

ok yours cost more than mine and mine more than his. got to be in line somewhere.

Do you really want to try that?

My junk yard valve cover is worth more than your wheels in its current grimey state.



Never mind my actual wheels.

[Elbow]

Do you really want to try that?

My junk yard valve cover is worth more than your wheels in its current grimey state.



Never mind my actual wheels.

What's so special about the valve cover or the wheels? Are those truck wheels?

[DA9_Vito]

Do you really want to try that?

My junk yard valve cover is worth more than your wheels in its current grimey state.
what that valve cover is like 10 bucks at the junk yard


Never mind my actual wheels.
and those have got to be the ugliest rims ive ever seen.

hahaha keep day dreaming in class homeboy.

[David88vert]

Do you really want to try that?
My junk yard valve cover is worth more than your wheels in its current grimey state.
Never mind my actual wheels.

Your wheels and valve cover aren't over $4K - my carbon fiber BST's were. Sit down on that bench seat in the back.

[94_teg_ls]

well my bad guys i reply my way lol and im not a ricer i got tired of the white paint peeling off so i sprayed it. trust me it aint staying that way. id rather have two different paint colors on my car than a rust spot so stfu and let me do my car my way. they only car that can be called a riced car is the green integra i fuck with him about it all the time and he doesnt care because its HIS CAR not your car. you think we are a bunch of ricers then you should enter your car. hahahaha

i thought that green integra was a hyundai tiburon

[Elbow]

My helmet cost me $900. I'm rich as fuck.

[silversol]

My helmet cost me $900. I'm rich as fuck.

yeah safety is not something to cheap out on.

[David88vert]

yeah safety is not something to cheap out on.

x2 - Helmets are important, and costly, but worth it.

[DA9_Vito]

honda and ford FTMFW