The world may end in 2012 but

[Paul]

I think anyone who has had to deal w/ any type of hardship medically was very glad they had insurance. I don't see anything wrong with us extending coverage to 30+ million people. Independent studies have shown this is the right course of action so I don't see what the big deal is. The same group who researched this plan has been used by both Dem/Rep in the past. They have gov funded healthcare all over the world and it works well - people who say it doesn't work I would love to know how many have been to countries w/ such a system. (and when i say all over the world i mean europe, south america, etc)

[Bajjani]

I think anyone who has had to deal w/ any type of hardship medically was very glad they had insurance. I don't see anything wrong with us extending coverage to 30+ million people. Independent studies have shown this is the right course of action so I don't see what the big deal is. The same group who researched this plan has been used by both Dem/Rep in the past. They have gov funded healthcare all over the world and it works well - people who say it doesn't work I would love to know how many have been to countries w/ such a system. (and when i say all over the world i mean europe, south america, etc)

I have, it doesn't work.

[Paul]

I have, it doesn't work.

really what country are you a citizen of that you have gov funded healthcare?

[Bajjani]

really what country are you a citizen of that you have gov funded healthcare?

Where did you say anything about being a citizen of said country? I have family in Canada we bring them here when they have serious medical issues

[Paul]

Where did you say anything about being a citizen of said country? I have family in Canada we bring them here when they have serious medical issues

well you made it sound like you've used such systems first hand... i have friends overseas using such systems as well and they can't complain considering w/o it they would have NO healthcare. i also have friends here who go back to europe to use their gov ran healthcare as it is better and more cost efficient. so this swings both ways in many forms.

[Bajjani]

well you made it sound like you've used such systems first hand... i have friends overseas using such systems as well and they can't complain considering w/o it they would have NO healthcare. i also have friends here who go back to europe to use their gov ran healthcare as it is better and more cost efficient. so this swings both ways in many forms.

Paul just because your friends swing every way possible doesn't mean healthcare works :-P

And no, I've never heard success stories from anyone who uses gov't funded healthcare, and I have a ton of friends overseas, I've spent months overseas for soccer and I still talk to a lot of them. Zero, success stories.

[Vteckidd]

I think anyone who has had to deal w/ any type of hardship medically was very glad they had insurance. I don't see anything wrong with us extending coverage to 30+ million people. Independent studies have shown this is the right course of action so I don't see what the big deal is. The same group who researched this plan has been used by both Dem/Rep in the past. They have gov funded healthcare all over the world and it works well - people who say it doesn't work I would love to know how many have been to countries w/ such a system. (and when i say all over the world i mean europe, south america, etc)

Those 30 million can wait 4 years for coverage you know that right. But they can start paying NOW

[Vteckidd]

I think anyone who has had to deal w/ any type of hardship medically was very glad they had insurance. I don't see anything wrong with us extending coverage to 30+ million people. Independent studies have shown this is the right course of action so I don't see what the big deal is. The same group who researched this plan has been used by both Dem/Rep in the past. They have gov funded healthcare all over the world and it works well - people who say it doesn't work I would love to know how many have been to countries w/ such a system. (and when i say all over the world i mean europe, south america, etc)

Those 30 million can wait 4 years for coverage you know that right. But they can start paying NOW

why are we ranked #1 if everyone else is so great

[KodyH]

I think anyone who has had to deal w/ any type of hardship medically was very glad they had insurance. I don't see anything wrong with us extending coverage to 30+ million people. Independent studies have shown this is the right course of action so I don't see what the big deal is. The same group who researched this plan has been used by both Dem/Rep in the past. They have gov funded healthcare all over the world and it works well - people who say it doesn't work I would love to know how many have been to countries w/ such a system. (and when i say all over the world i mean europe, south america, etc)

I grew up in one and we never had issues. I have no idea why everyone is bitching about this. The only reason these ludicrous actions, such as layoffs and businesses closing are because of the mindset of Americans. Why are people being laid off? Because no one is buying. Why is no one buying? Because they are getting laid off. Its a cycle and until a vast majority breaks that, we will continue to decline. I hear several people in hear who seem to be in the mind state that LESS government is better. If this is true it is now YOUR responsibility to regain economical structure and security for the entire country, not single-handedly, but as a whole. If you think you have too much government interference, then why do you become so perturbed by this bill? It should have been expected. Bajjani and VtecKidd are right, this may destroy your government, but only because Americans refuse to change. If a form of socialism was required to succeed how many would willingly take that? Not many. Most would rather fight and fail then to join a reform. Survival of the fittest. Obama may not be the smartest cookie in the world, but I think he knows what he is doing. I do think some points of this bill are rather ridiculous, such as requiring parents to insure their children until 26. I'm 18 and get insurance through work, thankfully, but even if I didn't I would not ask for it from my parents. This is all the start of something the majority of you will be opposed to, but some will enjoy it. Work as a nation, not as political parties. Not to make a joke, but the only time America can join together is when someone flies a plane into a building or bombs a naval base. Work together people!

/endrant and waiting for bashing

[Vteckidd]

Work as a nation, not as political parties

Im sorry that made me laugh lol

I have no choice but to conform im not going to tell the govt to fuckoff. My point is the people that think this is about covering americans are DELUSIONAL. This isnt about covering people, this is about a POWER GRAB. The democrats who have failed us on doing anything to save the economy so far, now control 1/6th of the economy.

this is the first time in years ive actually considered leaving the country, and i hate to say that cause it pisses me off when i see other people say it. But this is BAD folks, REALLY BAD.

[KodyH]

Im sorry that made me laugh lol

I have no choice but to conform im not going to tell the govt to fuckoff. My point is the people that think this is about covering americans are DELUSIONAL. This isnt about covering people, this is about a POWER GRAB. The democrats who have failed us on doing anything to save the economy so far, now control 1/6th of the economy.

this is the first time in years ive actually considered leaving the country, and i hate to say that cause it pisses me off when i see other people say it. But this is BAD folks, REALLY BAD.

Do it. Go to Ireland, because this actually works there. As well as Germany, which you of all people should know, seeing as you have military family. Germany is known for their healthcare and they follow this to a point. You cannot, however, blame this entirely on the government. This is a Democratic Republic, which means its people do affect the way the government is run.

[David88vert]

Do it. Go to Ireland, because this actually works there. As well as Germany, which you of all people should know, seeing as you have military family. Germany is known for their healthcare and they follow this to a point. You cannot, however, blame this entirely on the government. This is a Democratic Republic, which means its people do affect the way the government is run.

Ireland - The poorer you are, the more taxpayer-paid coverage that you can receive. It is not equal and fair to all. Not really a problem in my view though on that point.
Waiting lists for those without private insurance can stretch into years - even for critical operations like heart operations. There are tens of thousands of people waiting for their "free" medical services.
Baby aspirin is a prescription drug - and expensive. 30 baby aspirin can cost 10 Irish pounds. Normal aspirin is hard to find in Ireland.
If you wife needs an OB/GYN for a pregnancy, she will likely have to wait 6 months to a year in some areas - of course, the baby should be born in 9 months.
During the winter flu seasons, there are nearly weekly stories of overcrowded emergency facilities with patients lying on gurneys in the halls for periods up to three days.
That said - most are happy with the doctors and nurses. And most people there agree that private insurance is required to get responsive healthcare - its the only way to jump up the line.

Germany's system seems to be better, but I don't know enough details of it to comment on it.

[KodyH]

Ireland - The poorer you are, the more taxpayer-paid coverage that you can receive. It is not equal and fair to all. Not really a problem in my view though on that point.
Waiting lists for those without private insurance can stretch into years - even for critical operations like heart operations. There are tens of thousands of people waiting for their "free" medical services.
Baby aspirin is a prescription drug - and expensive. 30 baby aspirin can cost 10 Irish pounds. Normal aspirin is hard to find in Ireland.
If you wife needs an OB/GYN for a pregnancy, she will likely have to wait 6 months to a year in some areas - of course, the baby should be born in 9 months.
During the winter flu seasons, there are nearly weekly stories of overcrowded emergency facilities with patients lying on gurneys in the halls for periods up to three days.
That said - most are happy with the doctors and nurses. And most people there agree that private insurance is required to get responsive healthcare - its the only way to jump up the line.

Germany's system seems to be better, but I don't know enough details of it to comment on it.

Are you speaking from experience? Because I lived there the majority of my short life.

[David88vert]

Are you speaking from experience? Because I lived there the majority of my short life.

No, I have not. I only know a few people living there - they all purchase private insurance to get faster access. Like I stated - it seems that most are still happy with their care. In any healthcare system there are going to be issues, that is a given. Ireland started out with less economic strength, so I would imagine that plays a part also (no data at hand on that though - just my opinion). I would not say that the Irish healthcare system is bad though - if the people are still happy with it.

Additionally, you can find all the information you could ever want reported through reputable news outlets.

Perhaps you can clarify what you experienced there. Did it work for your family? Did you run solely on the tax-payer support, or purchase insurance? I would imagine that you parents would have explained their viewpoints to you at least.

[ISAtlanta300]

They have gov funded healthcare all over the world and it works well - people who say it doesn't work I would love to know how many have been to countries w/ such a system. (and when i say all over the world i mean europe, south america, etc)

Raises hand. And, no.. it does NOT work.